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CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010
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Myra Kinderknecht

"I was the possibly the only one in America that tried to bring the truth to light about the Duke Lacrosse scandal. I wrote to so many people from the former Black Chief of Police, the now Hispanic Chief of Police of Durham (these guys just blocked my e-mail, to Diane Sawyer of GMA. I wrote the NAACP in Wash D C and locally - nothing but a thank you for writing. The State of NC destroyed a traumatized female and lynched and ruined a good man all for white rich elitists and Duke Image. This was successful due to the lack of rage of citizens and support for the VICTIM. I am still outraged, but I seem to be the only one. The Media won this one for the good old boys. "

Myra Kinderknecht



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From what I can tell, talking with folks in Durham, they really dont care a bit about what happens with crystal They are tired of her being in the news. And besides, if "sister survivor" wanted to be treated fairly, she would get rid of all the trash hanging around her. (she may want to but she cant get them to leave) If it was not for victoria peterson, et al., this case would not be in the news the way it is showing up. If this group wanted this case settled fairly they would be working behind the scenes. But because they do not have the public support, they have to yell all kinds of graffiti to keep themselves in the news. If one notices now, they are talking more about themselves and how they are looked upon negatively by the news rather than really supporting crystal and her problems. Its fake... but it sells. We must remember that without crystal as an issue, victoria peterson has no public forum. To make herself relevant, VP must stay in the news. That is how VP works and Durham is getting pretty tired of it.
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Dec 1 2010, 08:27 AM
From what I can tell, talking with folks in Durham, they really dont care a bit about what happens with crystal They are tired of her being in the news. And besides, if "sister survivor" wanted to be treated fairly, she would get rid of all the trash hanging around her. (she may want to but she cant get them to leave) If it was not for victoria peterson, et al., this case would not be in the news the way it is showing up. If this group wanted this case settled fairly they would be working behind the scenes. But because they do not have the public support, they have to yell all kinds of graffiti to keep themselves in the news. If one notices now, they are talking more about themselves and how they are looked upon negatively by the news rather than really supporting crystal and her problems. Its fake... but it sells. We must remember that without crystal as an issue, victoria peterson has no public forum. To make herself relevant, VP must stay in the news. That is how VP works and Durham is getting pretty tired of it.
You hit the nail right on the head chatham. :)
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Dec 1 2010, 08:27 AM
From what I can tell, talking with folks in Durham, they really dont care a bit about what happens with crystal They are tired of her being in the news. And besides, if "sister survivor" wanted to be treated fairly, she would get rid of all the trash hanging around her. (she may want to but she cant get them to leave) If it was not for victoria peterson, et al., this case would not be in the news the way it is showing up. If this group wanted this case settled fairly they would be working behind the scenes. But because they do not have the public support, they have to yell all kinds of graffiti to keep themselves in the news. If one notices now, they are talking more about themselves and how they are looked upon negatively by the news rather than really supporting crystal and her problems. Its fake... but it sells. We must remember that without crystal as an issue, victoria peterson has no public forum. To make herself relevant, VP must stay in the news. That is how VP works and Durham is getting pretty tired of it.


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http://www.bullcityrising.com/2010/11/bcrs-daily-fishwrap-report-for-november-30-2010.html#comments

(Nov. 30)

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The case, however, perfectly illustrates a formula used time and again by people seeking personal power in Durham:

1) Find a cause that on the surface seems worthy, especially if it involves a person with a borderline personality disorder or other mental illness so that they can be easily manipulated to your purposes.

2) Move fast to attract sipporters who are either mentally ill themselves or just really good people trying to do the right thing. Get them to do your dirty work for you and take any glory you can from the cause while hiding behind the others should things go wrong.

3) Take advantage of the mentally ill and somewhat clueless dogooders for as long as possible.

4) Bail when the going gets bad.

I will leave it to you all to figure out who the manipulators, mentally ill, dogooders and bailers in this particular case are. But I've seen this formula time and again here in good old Durham.

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It would be nice if someone at the level of Vice President of the Friends of Crystal Mangum knew some of the facts of the case.


Myra Kinderknecht


"The 'only' player that did not attend the party was the single African American on the team. Was he just not invited?

Why on earth would Mike Nifong refer to these boys as "rogues?" DUH !!

On April 26, 2006, a month after the Duke Lacrosse party, a DUKE female student reported she was raped by a student who walked her back to her dorm from a party in his room in the Keohane dormitory on campus. Investigators searched his room where a group of students had gathered on the last day of school to drink and use marijuana, a traditional day of partying at DUKE. Police found possession of a controlled substance, possession of drug paraphernalia, and they took DNA samples. At this Keohane dorm party, a vaporizer was rigged to spew marijuana smoke into the air so everyone could get high. ~~ GO DUKE! It was reported that Duke officials are aware that parties where alcohol and drugs are served are customary and traditional on Duke Campus.
PUNISHMENT: Who knows? The story was killed for obvious reasons.

Now for a look at the First Responder Experts:

Expert #1, a female Kroger grocery clerk phoned 911 and reported a female in someone else's car who refused to get out. The Kroger clerk said "she's like, intoxicated, drunk or something." The grocery clerk later told a private investigator that, based on her encounter with the dancer that night. "There ain't no way she was raped." WOW! Kroger trains it's grocery clerks to diagnose whether a traumatic hysterical female in obvious distress was raped or not! Impressive!

Expert #2, a police/security officer, upon discovering an extremely hysterical female displaying major symptoms of a panic/anxiety attack and who had a death grip on a steering wheel, instantly diagnosed her condition and reported in that she did not need medical attention because she is not in distress -- she's just passed-out drunk".. The officer's visual diagnosis, apparently, concluded she was not in danger, had not been assaulted, that she had not been given any 'drugs', she had not been abused or assaulted, etc. Awesome! Law enforcement cross trains officers in on-the-spot visual medical and psychological diagnostic procedures in recognition of rape, assault, possible use of 'date rape drug', and hysteria. Freaking Amazing!

When, why, and who decided to finally take her to a rape unit? Was it just an after thought? Well, it was too late to identify the date rape drug, if it was used. Good Job! How long has this drug been around and was it ever used by an 'elite' DUKE student? In 1997, a second year DUKE medical student, David Coolidge, Jr., was believed to have given the well known date drug to a 13-year old boy and then he sexually assaulted the child in his DUKE dorm room. As is customary in North Carolina, he was only convicted of Indecent Liberties with a Child and given probation only. He is currently on the NC Sex Offender Registry and will be taken off the registry in March 2008.
In spite of it's epidemic use on campus and by young people in America, the date rape drug, rohypnol, was never reported to have even been considered in the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case. The use of the date rape drug is reaching pandemic proportions in America. This drug is not detectable after a short period of time. It is 'tasteless' drug rendering the victim totally unable to resist; causing major memory loss and inability to recall details of the rape; in some cases there is no memory at all; it causes major confusion, hysteria, panic, disorientation, etc. shall I go on? The second dancer reported that she did not consume the drink offered to her but the accuser drank hers and her demeanor and appearance changed.

As is usual in the great State of NC, DA Mike Nifong and the accuser were tried and lynched by the MEDIA, NC Attorney General Roy T. Cooper, those 'special expensive defense lawyers', and Congressman Walter Jones. Evidence that would never be allowed in a COURT OF LAW was allowed in the MEDIA COURT TRIAL. The EVIDENCE was never shown to the public. We are just supposed to believe and take the word of Attorney General Roy T. Cooper, serving as the Media Judge and Jury. I often wonder why all three of the boys didn't take a polygraph. I also wonder why the results of the single Evans' polygraph were not made public; we just had to take Evans word for it that he passed it. I wonder what questions he had to answer on the polygraph. I guess I'll never know.

One of the most egregious injustices committed was the action taken by a judge who blatantly violated the accuser's fourth amendment Constitutional Rights by ordering a paternity test without probable cause. Both prosecutors and defense attorneys agree there's no chance one of the three indicted players could be the father. The 'victim' has not made a claim against anyone, and no one has claimed to be the father, ergo, there is no probable cause and no justification for the judge's ruling, in my opinion.

I am 100% sure the only one trying to get at the truth was Mike Nifong; I am certain no one else was and there was all an all out war to save DUKE'S IMAGE and escalate these despicable rich elite Duke Lacrosse players to hero status. ~ Barf! ~ Roy T. Cooper was not concerned in 'justice' for all. This was blatant racism, class and culture good old boys versus low-income black, minority female. The South has risen, again.

NORTH CAROLINA - building a bridge to the 17th century!
The view from inside Uncle Tom's cabin."

Myra Kinderknecht


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The African-American player on the Team was at the Party. Still, Nifong and the DPD refused to question him at all, and he was the only player exempt from all interviews and testing.

Guess she couldn't work that into her routine.

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Dec 1 2010, 06:42 AM
There can be no question at all at this point.... that having invested so publicly and so lavishly... in the sanity and moral/intellectual superiority of Sister Survivor, that those who pushed the Hoax now prize their own "reputations" far above the welfare of Crystal's children or even Crystal herself.

To that end, they must play out the pretense that she is that straight A student, new to dancing,fabulous Mother that they swore she was. They must drag her to photo ops, clean her up, and prop her at a podium, and as she stands there blank-eyed... describe her brilliance and virtue over and over to the now credulous media.

She was the NCNAACP's poster girl of 2006...Progressive Durham's Hometown Sweetheart. They backed her. They vouched for her credibility. They claimed her as the Essence of All Things Good. Their Noble Victim. Bless-ed Sister Survivor.

Now they are stuck with a troubled drug addicted unstable psychotic...for her lifetime.

It must be exhausting.

But the real tragedy here...the outrage...is that they must insist her children live in a chaotic hell to complete the public charade. To do otherwise would be to admit Crystal was the Victimizer-NOT Victim. The Sex Worker... chock full of random male DNA. roaming through motels performing her "workplace obligations." To admit she is not fit, not stable enough to raise those children...would be to admit they were wrong...that THEY committed a terrible grievance in their Bigotry against three innocent kids on the word of an unbalanced street addict.

The Hoax pushers must never concede that. She is Durham's Tawana Brawley...and they are going to follow the Rev Al model that worked so well back then. Trouble is...Crystal IMO is far more damaged than Tawana...and she will not go gently into that good night of obscurity. She is a time-bomb...but they cannot diffuse her...because that would be proof that THEY lied. Of course, the Hoax backers KNOW we know...but they see what worked for Rev Al...they are gonna give it a try because they have nothing else.

So in the end, Collin, Reade and Dave walked away..and the Hoax Backers sentenced Crystal's kids to 20+ years of turmoil, embarrassment, and constant endangerment. If anyone wants to understand the real moral void that exists in these Hoaxers...behold the sacrifice of Crystal's children at the altar of the Fantasy of Sister Survivor!

This is Pride pumped to a level of absolute depravity.

This is "Team Spirit" at its most terrifying.

And this is only the Beginning. They whine that the people who supported the Lacrosse kids should "move on"...but the Hoaxers can never move on. They can never take their eyes off Crystal..they have to follow her constantly with their little paper bags..cleaning up her mess. And they have to turn their eyes and hearts away from those innocent children of hers. Because those kids have to bear the front-lines day to day burden of their Pride and Arrogance and bloated Bigotry.

"Small Sacrifices" for Sister Survivor.

Great post, Joan.

The primary concern right now should be the welfare of the children.

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Abe Jones being the judge is ... noteworthy. Guy's a bit of a loose cannon.
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Dec 1 2010, 10:49 AM
Abe Jones being the judge is ... noteworthy. Guy's a bit of a loose cannon.
You got that right Jack!

WTVD just said, camera's are allowed inside the court room. I don't know if that means after the trial starts or not.

They showed CGM setting beside her lawyer. CGM has a big bruise on her forehead.
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Joan said it for me.

Crystal Magnum's "soul survivor image" was created by certain political classes from Durham and they have to live with her. The truth of what the DPD, DA, Duke, and local community leaders did to the 2006 Duke Lacrosse Team really can't be revealed.










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Jury selection starting?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7818919
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I don't think I have come across anyone who knows so little about the case as Myra Kinderknecht. But how can that be? How can Myra not know that Devon Sherwood was at the party?
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Dec 1 2010, 02:34 PM
I don't think I have come across anyone who knows so little about the case as Myra Kinderknecht. But how can that be? How can Myra not know that Devon Sherwood was at the party?
I agree, that was all over the news at the time, he was the only AA at the party, where does she come up with "he wasn't invited"?
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Dec 1 2010, 02:15 PM
Thanks Leo.

Wonder why CGM would want the TV stations in the court room????? anybody -anybody???? :partspin:



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The court room looked almost empty.

Where's Nancy Grace,Ted,Wendy Jesse,Rev.Al and cousin. Clakki

and the :Pot:

Where are all the satellite trucks? Will the trial be live streamed just like Mikie's?


:maggie: >>>>>>>>.what to do? NO one is there for her.
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The metanarrative carried by the special interest groups and the media had Crystal as a Mix of Rosa Parks and Mother Teresa.

Her most generous defenders, with a habit of defying common sense, would still have to admit she would have to be Rosa Parks & Mother Teresa with an Ankle bracelet, Swagger, and a Nasty Drug Habit.

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