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CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010
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~J~ is in Wonderland
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Specifically Crystal wants suppressed: (1) her statement that she did not start the fire; and (2) a reference to her the relatively small size of her boyfriend's penis.



:maggie: :maggie:

whooo hooooooooooooooo.

I could think of something real good as a come back for that statement!!


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Dec 13 2010, 04:57 PM
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Specifically Crystal wants suppressed: (1) her statement that she did not start the fire; and (2) a reference to her the relatively small size of her boyfriend's penis.



:maggie: :maggie:
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During a Fire Investigation.

She couldn't focus to ask if her kids were okay, or to tell someone to get them out first, but she gets to this.

I have to wonder why those women in Durham - the Friends of Mangum and Nifong - want a Prostitute, Drug-User, Drug Dealer, False Accuser, Car Jacker and accused Arsonist in their Neighborhood.

Think about that. Who would this woman in their neighborhood?

Basically, anyone that Brings them White Scalps, is deserving of their protection.


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Does any one know if Mani Dexter of the Amos G. Tyndall Law Firm is being paid by the Durham Judicial Court system as a public defender, or is this pro bono? Or is someone else picking up the tab?

http://www.amostyndall.com/about-us/mani-l-dexter
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Dec 13 2010, 05:07 PM
Does any one know if Mani Dexter of the Amos G. Tyndall Law Firm is being paid by the Durham Judicial Court system as a public defender, or is this pro bono? Or is someone else picking up the tab?

http://www.amostyndall.com/about-us/mani-l-dexter
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The Harvard lawyer is being paid thru the Judicial Court system via the Public Defender's office.

Good word that Crystal is being prepped in the Evenings. In fact, people in court should watch Crystal, she has two notebooks (looks like one large notebook) and she goes line by line over the same sections like she's studying.

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Thanks Walt! :rose:

We appreciate any facts from the downtown loop.

It was cold/ windy here today folks and will be colder tomorrow.
We need someone in the court everyday. Seems that's the only way to get any details.

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Mason
Dec 13 2010, 05:04 PM
~J~ is in Wonderland
Dec 13 2010, 04:57 PM
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Specifically Crystal wants suppressed: (1) her statement that she did not start the fire; and (2) a reference to her the relatively small size of her boyfriend's penis.



:maggie: :maggie:
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During a Fire Investigation.

She couldn't focus to ask if her kids were okay, or to tell someone to get them out first, but she gets to this.

I have to wonder why those women in Durham - the Friends of Mangum and Nifong - want a Prostitute, Drug-User, Drug Dealer, False Accuser, Car Jacker and accused Arsonist in their Neighborhood.

Think about that. Who would this woman in their neighborhood?

Basically, anyone that Brings them White Scalps, is deserving of their protection.


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Very true, Mason. Who would wish to have Mangum as their neighbor..or tenant?

"Officer Tyler described the Apartment as small and having a lot of debris on the floor and all around. He mentioned that "lots of debris" about 3 times. He said there was no furniture in the Living room at all, except an outside folding chair that was used."

I doubt NCCU will be featuring Mangum in any recruiting posters. Is this the lifestyle that awaits their Magna Cum Laude graduates?

Really?

The lies and the "machinations" are becoming painfully obvious.


Edited by Joan Foster, Dec 13 2010, 05:36 PM.
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Good word that Crystal is being prepped in the Evenings. In fact, people in court should watch Crystal, she has two notebooks (looks like one large notebook) and she goes line by line over the same sections like she's studying.

She's probably reading the NC General Statutes in preparation for taking the stand. Watching that will be a thing of beauty.
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Dec 13 2010, 02:44 PM
A report from Superior Court for the morning of December 13, 2012.

Crystal's defenses are dwindling. The state tightened their time line with the testimony of Corporal Tyler. Further, Tyler denied (convincingly I might add) that he set the fire. One of the conspiracy/tin foil hat theories circulating around Durham is that Tyler, a former volunteer fireman set the fire so he could trump up the charge against Crystal.

The state's next witness was Fire Captain Ray (unsure about the spelling). Fire Captain Rey testified that when he arrived at 12:15 AM (0015 hours) he saw smoke billowing from the gable end of the apartment. When he and a firefighter opened the front door of the apartment, they found smoke to the floor. They had to don protective gear (masks and tanks in addition to turnout coats and pants) for their own safety. They charged the line and then entered the apartment. They made their way to the bathroom and opened the door. Captain Ray saw a fire in the bathtub. The firefighter opened the nozzle and then closed it extinguishing the fire. (I would have asked for clarification that the open nozzle doused the fire with water, but the ADA did not.) Captain Ray testified that he checked the ceiling to see if the fire had spread. It had not. Then he called for a positive pressure fan to exhaust the smoke and opened a bedroom window.

Manni Dexter's cross examination completely reinforced Captain Ray's testimony. To the point, I began to wonder if she was the ADA. After a brief recess, the court heard a renewal of Crystal's motion to suppress the testimony of Corporal Tyler as it was gained in violation of the Fourth Amendment's warrant requirement. Judge Jones politely heard her out and then gave what I would call a very adequate review of two possible exceptions to the warrant requirement. Namely exigent circumstances and public safety. He ruled, for what must be the third or fourth time, that the search and arrest without a warrant was in this situation quite legal. (He was right, again.)

Next, Dexter filed with the court an amended motion to suppress Crystal's statements to Durham Fire Investigator Captain Derrick Abney. Specifically Crystal wants suppressed: (1) her statement that she did not start the fire; and (2) a reference to her the relatively small size of her boyfriend's penis. The state argued that Captain Abney was not a law enforcement officer and therefor any statement Crystal made to him did not need to be made pursuant the the Miranda rule. Crystal argued that she was in the police cruiser and under arrest when Captain Abney questioned her about the fire. Judge Jones, again succinctly and accurately, reviewed the rules and found that Crystal was in custody and Abney's questions constituted an interrogation which called for a Miranda warning. As none was given, Abney was instructed not to testify about Crystal's statements. The real question here is WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS LEGAL WOULD ANY LAWYER TRY TO SUPPRESS THE OTHER SIDE'S WITNESS FROM SAYING SOMETHING HELPFUL TO HER CASE? All I can guess is Manni Dexter is trying to set up an ineffective assistance of counsel defense. Now, thanks to Dexter's not so brilliant handling of this issue, Crystal has to get on the witness stand to deny starting the fire. That will open her up to cross examination on a host of issues. None of which she will look good answering.

I had to leave during Captain Abney's testimony, but he nailed down that the fire was set intentionally and not an accident or act of nature. He also clarified the damage done to the apartment. Crystal's legal options are narrowing. She seems to be trying to beat the felony arson by claiming that she is the tenant and thus arson does not apply as it has to be the dwelling of another. But Judge Jones has already denied that idea as there are other tenants in the building. Her other avenue of defense is jury nullification. Frankly that's her best hope. If only takes one.

Walt-in-Durham
Is it smart and in the best interest (or any interest) of the defense lawyers career development to set up an ineffective assistance of council defense? I realize the problem she may have with crystals defense but how much of a plus is it considered for a defense lawyer to admit s/he was ineffective?
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I am trying to understand the "snap defense" thrown out there by Mangum's lawyers:
that the DPD Officers brought Milton into the house in order to deliberately make Mangum snap.

I personally have never heard of such a police tactic in the case of
responding to a domestic dispute.

I've watched tons of "48 hours" episodes, tons of "body of evidence" shows, tons of
"forensic files" episodes, etc, and I've never heard of such a police tactic in the
case of responding to a domestic dispute, nor does it even make any sense to me.

Are they arguing that the DPD wanted to arrest Mangum, for reasons unrelated to
the domestic dispute, so they brought Milton in to make her snap?

If so, what is their explanation as to why the DPD wanted to arrest Mangum?
Because of her association with Duke Lacrosse case?

BUT that makes no sense, as the DPD supported Mangum 100% throughout the case.

EVEN after Nifong recused himself from the case in Jan 2007, DPD Deputy Chief Ronald
Hodge publicly reiterated his determination to prosecute Reade, Colin, and Dave.

The DPD even allowed Linwood Wilson in the DA's Office to conduct an internal
investigation of the only DPD Officer who thought Mangum was lying from the beginning.

So, why would the DPD be out to get her?

I am very confused ...



Edited by MikeZPU, Dec 13 2010, 08:37 PM.
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Crystal Mangum trial: Day 3
Submitted by jessedeconto on 12/13/2010 - 19:57

Two firefighters testified today that a fire spread from Crystal Mangum’s bathtub to the surrounding walls and ceiling during a domestic dispute in February.

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The officers discovered the fire while trying to arrest Mangum after she lunged over Officer Hilary Thompson’s shoulder and threatened to stab Walker, according to testimony. Defense lawyer Mani Dexter says Mangum had no weapon and the threat was “empty.”

Fire investigator Derik Abney testified Monday the fire was started by direct flame and that he found a cigarette lighter in the bathroom.

Superior Court Judge Abe Jones forbade Abney from sharing statements he heard from Mangum denying she’d set the fire.
Jones will allow a videotaped interrogation of Mangum by a Durham police investigator who is likely to testify as the prosecution rests its case on Tuesday.

Dexter tried to persuade Jones to suppress the statement because Mangum, who suffers chronic back pain and headaches, was medicated after a spinal tap on the morning before the incident and deprived of sleep over two nights leading up to the questioning.

Dexter also said the detective had implied Mangum might draw lesser charges if she confessed in the case.
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Are they arguing that the DPD wanted to arrest Mangum, for reasons unrelated to
the domestic dispute, so they brought Milton in to make her snap?


Yet the police also said they didn't know she was Crystal Mangum until just before they
were about to leave, and they found a medicine bottle with her name on it.

(So "revenge" against Mangum can be ruled out, IMHO.)
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chatham
Dec 13 2010, 07:52 PM
Is it smart and in the best interest (or any interest) of the defense lawyers career development to set up an ineffective assistance of council defense? I realize the problem she may have with crystals defense but how much of a plus is it considered for a defense lawyer to admit s/he was ineffective?
None, unless you really want out of the criminal defense practice. IAC is a defense best left to only the very best lawyers and the very worst. And, Manni Dexter isn't among the very best lawyers.

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Dec 13 2010, 08:26 PM
I am trying to understand the "snap defense" thrown out there by Mangum's lawyers:
that the DPD Officers brought Milton into the house in order to deliberately make Mangum snap.

I personally have never heard of such a police tactic in the case of
responding to a domestic dispute.

I've watched tons of "48 hours" episodes, tons of "body of evidence" shows, tons of
"forensic files" episodes, etc, and I've never heard of such a police tactic in the
case of responding to a domestic dispute, nor does it even make any sense to me.

Are they arguing that the DPD wanted to arrest Mangum, for reasons unrelated to
the domestic dispute, so they brought Milton in to make her snap?

If so, what is their explanation as to why the DPD wanted to arrest Mangum?
Because of her association with Duke Lacrosse case?

BUT that makes no sense, as the DPD supported Mangum 100% throughout the case.

EVEN after Nifong recused himself from the case in Jan 2007, DPD Deputy Chief Ronald
Hodge publicly reiterated his determination to prosecute Reade, Colin, and Dave.

The DPD even allowed Linwood Wilson in the DA's Office to conduct an internal
investigation of the only DPD Officer who thought Mangum was lying from the beginning.

So, why would the DPD be out to get her?

I am very confused ...



The cops didnt let Miltn into the house on purpose. It was cold that night and Milton was shirtless and shoeless. It was mentioned that he was cold shivering at the front door. I am guessing the cops brought him inside the house so he could warm up some and get dressed. I would guess that the cops would have kept Milton and crystal separated. That is when crystal went off the deep end and that is when they cuffed her and told Milton to stay in the chair. I do not believe they knew she was crystal. I am pretty sure they did not do anything to her because of her previous false accusation. Just like on TV, I would guess that Milton would have been asked to get his clothes and go stay at a friends house for the night. But then there was the fire and all of the other hell that broke. Even with the domestic calls on cops they usually let one of the parties back in the house to get clothes or other personal stuff before going to a friends.

IMO the defense has no defense so they are trying the back door approach. Toss the case on technicalities. I do not believe the cops related this back to the LAX case, it was the press. Remember when crystal got to the magistrates office, TV was there filming.
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I think Tyler and Thompson have pretty good records and reputations. If they didn't, we would've heard about it by now. Remember, the N&O is on the case.

As to Crystal being deprived of sleep, I had to laugh there. That is her regular schedule, 5:00 am nude in the Strip Club parking lot, working hotels for paying customers and then street-walking to get customers in the early am. When she finally got in bed (or stopped to rest) she got high or ended up having sex with Pimp 1 or Pimp 2. Pimp 3 was visiting her at her house later.


All stuff that she be pertinent in her evaluation as a Parent to those kids.

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Remember, the N&O is on the case.


Which is a sad commentary on the state of journalism in NC...
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