| CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010 | |
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| wingedwheel | Dec 12 2010, 11:11 PM Post #301 |
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A levitating easter bunny started the fire! |
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| Mason | Dec 13 2010, 12:29 AM Post #302 |
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. Crystal closed the door. The standard procedure for Police is to interview people separately - to separate them and question them. They also herded the kids into that (other) room. Crystal was doing her thing during that time, no doubt. Why Stay with Crystal, Crystal wasn't talking - and wanted them to leave. They were trying to clear the scene and piece together what happened. . Edited by Mason, Dec 13 2010, 12:30 AM.
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| Mason | Dec 13 2010, 04:24 AM Post #303 |
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. You flatten a tire. You break a windshield. What do you do to clothes? Officer Thompson: Saw Crystal carrying clothes INTO the bathroom. Officer Tyler: Sat Milton on a folding chair inside the front door and testified he never moved. Milton broke up with Crystal and was leaving. It's very telling that it was Crystal that wanted the Cops to leave. It's the Perpetrator at a scene that wants Cops to leave. . |
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| Quasimodo | Dec 13 2010, 01:22 PM Post #304 |
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Summary of Ms. Mangum's life and career: http://johnsville.blogspot.com/2006/04/duke-rape-accuser-crystal-gail-mangum.html (snip) Ms. Mangum was arrested in June 2002 after she got drunk, stole a car at a strip club, and lead police on a reckless high-speed chase. This incident resulted in the following charges: Felonious Assault with a Deadly Weapon on Police Officer, O2-CRS-49961 Felonious Larceny and Felonious Possession of Stolen Vehicle charges, 02-CRS-49955 Felonious Speeding to Elude Arrest, Driving while Impaired (.19 Blood Alcohol Content) and Driving while License Revoked, 02-CRS-49956 Driving Left of Center, 02-CR-49958 Failure to Heed Blue Light and Siren and Reckless Driving in Wanton Disregard to Rights or Safety of Others, 02-CR-49959 Driving the Wrong Way on Dual Lane Highway and Open Container After Consuming Alcohol, 02-CR-49960 two counts of Injury to Personal Property, 02-CR-49962-63 Resisting a Public Officer, 02-CR-49964 She plead guilty to four misdemeanors in May 2003: Speeding to elude arrest, assault against a government official, DWI level 3, and larceny. She was required to serve three consecutive weekends in jail and placed on two years' probation. Ms. Mangum paid her legal bills and $4,200 in restitution and court fees from the May 2003 convictions. She also had three driving license suspensions according to WRAL-TV. (snip) Ms. Mangum had a nervous breadkdown in 2005. The mother of the alleged victim told ESSENCE magazine that her daughter did go away to a hospital in Raleigh, North Carolina, for about a week last year, where she was treated for a “nervous breakdown.” While the accuser’s parents did not say they knew what brought on the breakdown, they did say that their daughter was upset about mounting bills. Ms. Mangum reported on August 18, 1996, that she was raped by three men three years prior when she was 14 in Creedmoor, N.C. Her parents said that their daughter was attacked by the boy she was dating at the time and two of his friends. The three allegedly held her against her will in a house, raped her and threatened to kill her. The case was never investigated and the men were not interviewed. The mother also told ESSENCE that when her daughter was 17 or 18, she was raped by several men, one of whom was someone she knew. The attack took place in the town of Creedmoor, about 15 miles northeast of Durham, and was a “set up,” according to the accuser’s mother. Although other family members confirmed that the alleged victim reported the incident to police in that jurisdiction, the young woman declined to pursue the case, relatives say out of fear for her safety. The woman's parents told NBC17 that their daughter was attacked by the boy she was dating at the time and two of his friends. The three allegedly held her against her will in a house, raped her and threatened to kill her. Ms. Mangum's former husband, Kenneth Nathanial McNeill, told ABC News that he believed she had been raped in 1993. She and McNeill were engaged at the time when the police report was filed. he urged her to make the report to Creedmoor police to help her overcome the trauma. "I wanted them to pay for what they did," said McNeil, who was then engaged to the woman. Regarding Creedmoor, Kenneth McNeill, said: before he married the accuser in 1997, the woman told him about rape and torture at the hands of a previous boyfriend, a man who was at least seven years older than she. The accuser was in high school when she met the man, McNeil said. He was controlling, jealous and abusive, McNeil said. He would beat her, and she would hide the bruises from her parents. On a day in June 1993, the man offered up his young girlfriend's body to his friends, McNeil said she told him. "He let his boys take turns," McNeil said. She never pursued the Creedmoor case, CNN reported: The woman identified her attackers as black males, giving police names and addresses. The police officer who interviewed the woman advised her to "write a chronological-order statement of the incidents and occurrences that had taken place and return the statement for investigative purposes," the report states. The report concludes: "No further information." (snip) (She also claimed that her grandmother had been murdered by being pushed down stairs; and that her former husband had tried to drag her into the woods and kill her.) (On March 14, 2006, she claimed that 2,3,5, or 20 men, of raping her in a tiny bathroom. Eventually this became the Duke lacrosse case.) Edited by Quasimodo, Dec 13 2010, 01:25 PM.
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| Locomotive Breath | Dec 13 2010, 01:23 PM Post #305 |
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In the comments of Matherly's VOIR DIRE (vwa deer) post, he had some rather fantastic theories about how Brian Meehan's DNA analysis did NOT exclude the lacrosse team. I put up (attempted to put up) a comment that said I was in the courtroom that day and Meehan's DNA analysis did exactly that and it was Meehan's and Nifong's agreement to withhold that analysis from the defense that got Nifong in trouble. My comment was not published and Matherly subsequently deleted all comments for people who would not give their names. Coward. |
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| Concerned | Dec 13 2010, 01:40 PM Post #306 |
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What person would burn clothes in a bathtub (or anywhere else) with police present? Maybe Crystal has a bathroom fetish - doing nails, drinking, false rape tales, levitating, and now burning clothes. I thought she wrote that book to explain her bad choices in life, yet she keeps making them. A college degree hasn't helped her one iota. |
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| LTC8K6 | Dec 13 2010, 02:01 PM Post #307 |
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Most bathtubs today are plastic/fiberglass. Not a good thing to set on fire indoors... |
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| Quasimodo | Dec 13 2010, 02:37 PM Post #308 |
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KC commenting in response to a post on his blog:
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| Baldo | Dec 13 2010, 02:39 PM Post #309 |
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I just think this is all so tragic and ridiculous. It seems to me social service in Durham really wants no part of Crystal. Why? Most likely they have dirty hands in the whole affair. I suspect, but have no knowledge, we will find the gross incompetence that marked the NC Probation office. I suspect a thorough audit of their activities both prior, during, and after the Duke Lacrosse Frame will show this to be true. Crystal is the key to a dirty story that involves the City of Durham, Social Services, Mike Nifong, DPD, Durham activists, and those who support her fantastic lies. |
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| Quasimodo | Dec 13 2010, 02:41 PM Post #310 |
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How much money was she paid by all these agencies (including Federal agencies) while making a FALSE CLAIM of having been a crime victim? Who authorized those payments, and how much has she repaid? |
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| Walt-in-Durham | Dec 13 2010, 02:44 PM Post #311 |
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A report from Superior Court for the morning of December 13, 2012. Crystal's defenses are dwindling. The state tightened their time line with the testimony of Corporal Tyler. Further, Tyler denied (convincingly I might add) that he set the fire. One of the conspiracy/tin foil hat theories circulating around Durham is that Tyler, a former volunteer fireman set the fire so he could trump up the charge against Crystal. The state's next witness was Fire Captain Ray (unsure about the spelling). Fire Captain Rey testified that when he arrived at 12:15 AM (0015 hours) he saw smoke billowing from the gable end of the apartment. When he and a firefighter opened the front door of the apartment, they found smoke to the floor. They had to don protective gear (masks and tanks in addition to turnout coats and pants) for their own safety. They charged the line and then entered the apartment. They made their way to the bathroom and opened the door. Captain Ray saw a fire in the bathtub. The firefighter opened the nozzle and then closed it extinguishing the fire. (I would have asked for clarification that the open nozzle doused the fire with water, but the ADA did not.) Captain Ray testified that he checked the ceiling to see if the fire had spread. It had not. Then he called for a positive pressure fan to exhaust the smoke and opened a bedroom window. Manni Dexter's cross examination completely reinforced Captain Ray's testimony. To the point, I began to wonder if she was the ADA. After a brief recess, the court heard a renewal of Crystal's motion to suppress the testimony of Corporal Tyler as it was gained in violation of the Fourth Amendment's warrant requirement. Judge Jones politely heard her out and then gave what I would call a very adequate review of two possible exceptions to the warrant requirement. Namely exigent circumstances and public safety. He ruled, for what must be the third or fourth time, that the search and arrest without a warrant was in this situation quite legal. (He was right, again.) Next, Dexter filed with the court an amended motion to suppress Crystal's statements to Durham Fire Investigator Captain Derrick Abney. Specifically Crystal wants suppressed: (1) her statement that she did not start the fire; and (2) a reference to her the relatively small size of her boyfriend's penis. The state argued that Captain Abney was not a law enforcement officer and therefor any statement Crystal made to him did not need to be made pursuant the the Miranda rule. Crystal argued that she was in the police cruiser and under arrest when Captain Abney questioned her about the fire. Judge Jones, again succinctly and accurately, reviewed the rules and found that Crystal was in custody and Abney's questions constituted an interrogation which called for a Miranda warning. As none was given, Abney was instructed not to testify about Crystal's statements. The real question here is WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS LEGAL WOULD ANY LAWYER TRY TO SUPPRESS THE OTHER SIDE'S WITNESS FROM SAYING SOMETHING HELPFUL TO HER CASE? All I can guess is Manni Dexter is trying to set up an ineffective assistance of counsel defense. Now, thanks to Dexter's not so brilliant handling of this issue, Crystal has to get on the witness stand to deny starting the fire. That will open her up to cross examination on a host of issues. None of which she will look good answering. I had to leave during Captain Abney's testimony, but he nailed down that the fire was set intentionally and not an accident or act of nature. He also clarified the damage done to the apartment. Crystal's legal options are narrowing. She seems to be trying to beat the felony arson by claiming that she is the tenant and thus arson does not apply as it has to be the dwelling of another. But Judge Jones has already denied that idea as there are other tenants in the building. Her other avenue of defense is jury nullification. Frankly that's her best hope. If only takes one. Walt-in-Durham |
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| Quasimodo | Dec 13 2010, 02:54 PM Post #312 |
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Thanks much for this. ( If we only had the media to depend on we'd miss a great deal.) |
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| Mason | Dec 13 2010, 04:21 PM Post #313 |
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. Fabulous! Thank you Walt! Thanks to Chatham and ~J~ too. . |
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| Mason | Dec 13 2010, 04:28 PM Post #314 |
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. The Jury has been their goal all along. The black Judge asked her why she didn't give the racial attack to some jurors - as she did to white male jurors. If you look at the Docket there, other defendants are having their cases heard with 40 other people in one day. One Judge, One courtroom, 40 in a day. It boggles the mind that the Public Defenders office has decided to assign so many resources to Crystal. It was 8 days of Jury selection alone. That Wonderland dynamic is going again in that courtroom, IMO. . Edited by Mason, Dec 13 2010, 04:33 PM.
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| Mason | Dec 13 2010, 04:42 PM Post #315 |
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. Corporal Tyler has a 12 year record with the Durham Police. He was on the stand for multiple days. If he has a record of fabricating evidence, or arson - it should be easy to show. Put forth the evidence. Don't hold your breath. . |
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