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CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010
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If Cline drops the rest of the charges she's pretty much saying that it's ok to burn down anything they want. Cline is going to show us if she has a backbone or not. JMOO
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Thanksgiving just passed, Christmas is approaching, and keeping a mother away from her kids under these circumstances just isn’t right, Peterson said.

Mangum said, “I have not seen my children, and they’ve suffered.”


I might feel some sympathy if

a) I didn't believe this was just a sympathy ploy and

b ) this woman hadn't tried to get three innocent "kids" away from their families for 30 years
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Quasimodo

Has the N&O not covered this story?

And is the only TV outlet to cover it channel 14 (which is largely based outside of Durham)?

Compare that with the coverage given the accusations against the players.

Edited by Quasimodo, Nov 30 2010, 09:17 AM.
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http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/11/30/835331/crystal-mangums-attorney-seeks.html

Published Tue, Nov 30, 2010 05:58 PM
Modified Tue, Nov 30, 2010 06:12 PM
Crystal Mangum's attorney seeks to suppress evidence

DURHAM DURHAM -- Crystal Mangum’s attorney is trying to suppress all evidence against her, saying police illegally entered her duplex home during a February domestic disturbance call.

Officers testified Tuesday they initially thought Mangum was the victim when they found her and her three children in the home at 2220 Lincoln St. just before midnight on Feb. 17.

But when her then-boyfriend Milton Walker returned to the home shirtless, shoeless and shivering, with scratches on his arms and saying he had been waiting in the bushes for police to arrive, officers didn’t know what to believe.

Officer Hilary Thompson testified that Mangum lunged over her shoulder, threatening to stab Walker, whom another officer had brought inside to warm up and give his side of the story. At that point, according to Thompson and her supervisor Corp. John Tyler, they arrested Mangum for communicating threats.

As they struggled to carry her out the door to a patrol car, Tyler said he smelled smoke and realized it was coming from the bathroom, where they’d seen Mangum carrying piles of clothing when they first arrived. When Tyler opened the door, flames leapt from the tub, he said.

Charges of communicating threats and attempted murder were eventually dropped, but Mangum still faces first-degree arson, three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor, injury to personal property, and resisting an officer. Mangum could go to trial on those charges later this week.

Judge Abraham Penn Jones heard a pre-trial motion Tuesday, with assistant district attorney Mark McCullough trying to show that police had probable cause for entering Mangum’s home without her permission after one of her children called 911 saying she and Walker were fighting. Mangum’s attorney Mani Dexter repeatedly pointed out her client had asked police to leave before Walker returned to the home.

Mangum famously accused three Duke lacrosse players of rape in 2006. With members of the activist Friends of Crystal Mangum in the audience, Jones barred any witnesses and lawyers on both side from talking to the media. Dexter also warned Mangum against talking openly about the case with her supporters, saying media coverage could keep her from getting a fair trial.
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MikeZPU

This is ridiculous. A child from from inside the home called 911 indicating
that she was afraid someone was going to get killed. In addition,
the officer smelled smoke. Do the police need Mangum's permission
to enter the home under those two conditions?

Unbelievable stuff.
Edited by MikeZPU, Dec 1 2010, 10:45 PM.
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MikeZPU
Nov 30 2010, 09:45 PM
This is ridiculous. A child from from inside the home called 911 indicating
that he was afraid someone was going to get killed. In addition,
the officer smelled smoke. Do the police need Mangum's permission
to enter the home under those two conditions?

Unbelievable stuff.
No. New York v. Quarles, 467 U.S. 649 (1984). The safety of the public or to prevent imminent harm to a person is an exception to the warrant requirement. In this case, an inhabitant, a minor, called 911 and stated that she was genuinely in fear. No problem with warrantless entry. Indeed, we would be concerned if the police did not enter.

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Nov 30 2010, 09:45 PM
This is ridiculous. A child from from inside the home called 911 indicating
that he was afraid someone was going to get killed. In addition,
the officer smelled smoke. Do the police need Mangum's permission
to enter the home under those two conditions?

Unbelievable stuff.
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As ridiculous as a man flattening his own tires, breaking out his own windows, vandalizing his own car, and burning his own clothes.


Friends of Crystal & Nifong are going to get her kids killed.

What is unbelievable is that Mangum has been able to stay free and "supervise" her kids with her history and background - and her repeated behavior - for as long as she did. She is a ticking timebomb.

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Edited by Mason, Nov 30 2010, 11:09 PM.
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Joan Foster

There can be no question at all at this point.... that having invested so publicly and so lavishly... in the sanity and moral/intellectual superiority of Sister Survivor, that those who pushed the Hoax now prize their own "reputations" far above the welfare of Crystal's children or even Crystal herself.

To that end, they must play out the pretense that she is that straight A student, new to dancing,fabulous Mother that they swore she was. They must drag her to photo ops, clean her up, and prop her at a podium, and as she stands there blank-eyed... describe her brilliance and virtue over and over to the now credulous media.

She was the NCNAACP's poster girl of 2006...Progressive Durham's Hometown Sweetheart. They backed her. They vouched for her credibility. They claimed her as the Essence of All Things Good. Their Noble Victim. Bless-ed Sister Survivor.

Now they are stuck with a troubled drug addicted unstable psychotic...for her lifetime.

It must be exhausting.

But the real tragedy here...the outrage...is that they must insist her children live in a chaotic hell to complete the public charade. To do otherwise would be to admit Crystal was the Victimizer-NOT Victim. The Sex Worker... chock full of random male DNA. roaming through motels performing her "workplace obligations." To admit she is not fit, not stable enough to raise those children...would be to admit they were wrong...that THEY committed a terrible grievance in their Bigotry against three innocent kids on the word of an unbalanced street addict.

The Hoax pushers must never concede that. She is Durham's Tawana Brawley...and they are going to follow the Rev Al model that worked so well back then. Trouble is...Crystal IMO is far more damaged than Tawana...and she will not go gently into that good night of obscurity. She is a time-bomb...but they cannot diffuse her...because that would be proof that THEY lied. Of course, the Hoax backers KNOW we know...but they see what worked for Rev Al...they are gonna give it a try because they have nothing else.

So in the end, Collin, Reade and Dave walked away..and the Hoax Backers sentenced Crystal's kids to 20+ years of turmoil, embarrassment, and constant endangerment. If anyone wants to understand the real moral void that exists in these Hoaxers...behold the sacrifice of Crystal's children at the altar of the Fantasy of Sister Survivor!

This is Pride pumped to a level of absolute depravity.

This is "Team Spirit" at its most terrifying.

And this is only the Beginning. They whine that the people who supported the Lacrosse kids should "move on"...but the Hoaxers can never move on. They can never take their eyes off Crystal..they have to follow her constantly with their little paper bags..cleaning up her mess. And they have to turn their eyes and hearts away from those innocent children of hers. Because those kids have to bear the front-lines day to day burden of their Pride and Arrogance and bloated Bigotry.

"Small Sacrifices" for Sister Survivor.

Edited by Joan Foster, Dec 1 2010, 06:43 AM.
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Dec 1 2010, 06:42 AM
There can be no question at all at this point.... that having invested so publicly and so lavishly... in the sanity and moral/intellectual superiority of Sister Survivor, that those who pushed the Hoax now prize their own "reputations" far above the welfare of Crystal's children or even Crystal herself.

To that end, they must play out the pretense that she is that straight A student, new to dancing,fabulous Mother that they swore she was. They must drag her to photo ops, clean her up, and prop her at a podium, and as she stands there blank-eyed... describe her brilliance and virtue over and over to the now credulous media.

She was the NCNAACP's poster girl of 2006...Progressive Durham's Hometown Sweetheart. They backed her. They vouched for her credibility. They claimed her as the Essence of All Things Good. Their Noble Victim. Bless-ed Sister Survivor.

Now they are stuck with a troubled drug addicted unstable psychotic...for her lifetime.

It must be exhausting.

But the real tragedy here...the outrage...is that they must insist her children live in a chaotic hell to complete the public charade. To do otherwise would be to admit Crystal was the Victimizer-NOT Victim. The Sex Worker... chock full of random male DNA. roaming through motels performing her "workplace obligations." To admit she is not fit, not stable enough to raise those children...would be to admit they were wrong...that THEY committed a terrible grievance in their Bigotry against three innocent kids on the word of an unbalanced street addict.

The Hoax pushers must never concede that. She is Durham's Tawana Brawley...and they are going to follow the Rev Al mode that worked back then. Trouble is...Crystal IMO is far more damaged than Tawana...and she will not go gently into that good night of obscurity. She is a time-bomb...but they cannot diffuse her...because that would be proof that THEY lied. Of course, the Hoax backers KNOW we know...but they see what worked for Rev Al...they are gonna give it a try because they have nothing else.

So in the end, Collin, Reade and Dave walked away..and the Hoax Backers sentenced Crystal's kids to 20+ years of turmoil, embarrassment, and constant endangerment. If anyone wants to understand the real moral void that exists in these Hoaxers...behold the sacrifice of Crystal's children at the altar of the Fantasy of Sister Survivor!

This is Pride pumped to a level of absolute depravity.

This is "Team Spirit" at its most terrifying.

And this is only the Beginning. They whine that the people who supported the Lacrosse kids should "move on"...but the Hoaxers can never move on. They can never take their eyes off Crystal..they have to follow her constantly with their little paper bags..cleaning up her mess. And they have to turn their eyes and hearts away from those innocent children of hers. Because those kids have to bear the front-lines day to day burden of their Pride and Arrogance and bloated Bigotry.

"Small Sacrifices" for Sister Survivor.

The end justifies the means.

So it has been forever with the Marxist mentality, and so it will be forever more.

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Dec 1 2010, 06:42 AM
There can be no question at all at this point.... that having invested so publicly and so lavishly... in the sanity and moral/intellectual superiority of Sister Survivor, that those who pushed the Hoax now prize their own "reputations" far above the welfare of Crystal's children or even Crystal herself.

To that end, they must play out the pretense that she is that straight A student, new to dancing,fabulous Mother that they swore she was. They must drag her to photo ops, clean her up, and prop her at a podium, and as she stands there blank-eyed... describe her brilliance and virtue over and over to the now credulous media.

She was the NCNAACP's poster girl of 2006...Progressive Durham's Hometown Sweetheart. They backed her. They vouched for her credibility. They claimed her as the Essence of All Things Good. Their Noble Victim. Bless-ed Sister Survivor.

Now they are stuck with a troubled drug addicted unstable psychotic...for her lifetime.

It must be exhausting.

But the real tragedy here...the outrage...is that they must insist her children live in a chaotic hell to complete the public charade. To do otherwise would be to admit Crystal was the Victimizer-NOT Victim. The Sex Worker... chock full of random male DNA. roaming through motels performing her "workplace obligations." To admit she is not fit, not stable enough to raise those children...would be to admit they were wrong...that THEY committed a terrible grievance in their Bigotry against three innocent kids on the word of an unbalanced street addict.

The Hoax pushers must never concede that. She is Durham's Tawana Brawley...and they are going to follow the Rev Al model that worked so well back then. Trouble is...Crystal IMO is far more damaged than Tawana...and she will not go gently into that good night of obscurity. She is a time-bomb...but they cannot diffuse her...because that would be proof that THEY lied. Of course, the Hoax backers KNOW we know...but they see what worked for Rev Al...they are gonna give it a try because they have nothing else.

So in the end, Collin, Reade and Dave walked away..and the Hoax Backers sentenced Crystal's kids to 20+ years of turmoil, embarrassment, and constant endangerment. If anyone wants to understand the real moral void that exists in these Hoaxers...behold the sacrifice of Crystal's children at the altar of the Fantasy of Sister Survivor!

This is Pride pumped to a level of absolute depravity.

This is "Team Spirit" at its most terrifying.

And this is only the Beginning. They whine that the people who supported the Lacrosse kids should "move on"...but the Hoaxers can never move on. They can never take their eyes off Crystal..they have to follow her constantly with their little paper bags..cleaning up her mess. And they have to turn their eyes and hearts away from those innocent children of hers. Because those kids have to bear the front-lines day to day burden of their Pride and Arrogance and bloated Bigotry.

"Small Sacrifices" for Sister Survivor.


From the News & Observer:

""Since when does a victim, excuse me, defendant, have to suffer for others exercising their right to support her?" (Myra) Kinderknecht wrote. "Unbelievable. Crystal needs a lawyer who will support and defend her, and she has never had that as far as I can see. I doubt she will see any form of 'justice.' She is being punished continually before she has been convicted. How unjust and un-American is that? NO ONE TOLD ANYONE TO STOP SUPPORTING aka INTERFERING WITH THE DUKE LACROSSE PLAYERS CASE, SO WHY ARE WE BEING SILENCED FOR TRYING TO SUPPORT CRYSTAL? I want to know."


Joan's Post is example why no one ever asked us to stay out of it.


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Good to see your beautiful writings again Joan. You always somehow sum things up for us.

Joan, can you imagine the two older kids going to school and having to hear other kids talk about their mom being in the media..again?

CGM's enablers somehow don't get (or don't care) that one of Crystal's own kids, called the police out of fear.

I hope her enablers read your post and understand this is truly about those children and their future.

We can only hope and pray, that the jury will see through all the evidence that will be presented and see who the real victims are.
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Does everyone remember the calls for anyone outside of Durham to stay out of the Duke Lacrosse case - and stay out of Nifong's election, and seeking punishment for Mikey?

Now check out the friends of Crystal Mangum that have been working the media, courts, and Durham agencies. The people that found someone to pony up Money to see that Crystal would be allowed out of Jail.

""It's almost like a form of lynching, what's happened to her," said Friends member Myra Kinderknecht of Fayetteville. "Everything that has happened to her screams white power, black oppression."

"She did go kind of bananas when the cops were taking her away, but I would have, too, if a man was attacking me and I'm the one that's going to jail," Ed Clark said.


Vincent or Ed Clark is from Angier, NC.

Look like Carpetbaggers to me. Hypocrites and Carpetbaggers.


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Dec 1 2010, 07:50 AM
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Does everyone remember the calls for anyone outside of Durham to stay out of the Duke Lacrosse case - and stay out of Nifong's election, and seeking punishment for Mikey?

Now check out the friends of Crystal Mangum that have been working the media, courts, and Durham agencies. The people that found someone to pony up Money to see that Crystal would be allowed out of Jail.

""It's almost like a form of lynching, what's happened to her," said Friends member Myra Kinderknecht of Fayetteville. "Everything that has happened to her screams white power, black oppression."

"She did go kind of bananas when the cops were taking her away, but I would have, too, if a man was attacking me and I'm the one that's going to jail," Ed Clark said.


Vincent or Ed Clark is from Angier, NC.

Look like Carpetbaggers to me. Hypocrites and Carpetbaggers.


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Here are some of Myra Kinderknecht's writings:




"It is OBVIOUS that these boys committed criminal offenses and got away with it. Not saying it was rape BUT this past week a man was arrested and charged with a HATE CRIME for using ethnic slur and given $150.000 bail for that. OBVIOUSLY these elite white boys and their friends used ethic slurs. DUKE Pres Brodhead even apologized in print after listening to a 911 tape of additional claim of racial slurs by other black people passing by the DUKE House on the same evening. Obviously it is acceptable practice, after all - these are the Elite Duke Pukes. Shame on them. A MEDIA TRIAL did not produce a copy of the DNA evidence with testimony (required in court of law); did not produce a copy of the POLYGRAPH TEST PASSED, (we can assume it was related to the incident; the accused wouldn't lie). The NC Atty Gen. Cong Walter Jones both jumped in the fray and assisted in the blatant disregard for justice of the hate and assault portion. NORTH CAROLINA - Building a bridge to the 17th Century. "


"IT'S OKAY TO HIRE THEM; IT'S NOT OKAY TO BE THEM.---
The lynching of DA Mike Nifong to uphold the criminal action, gross behavior and racial hate behavior of the DUKE PUKES by NC Attorney General Roy T. Cooper, and Congressman Walter Jones was beyond judicious and indicative of their personal racism and elitism. Rapes continue at DUKE, but of course are 'covered up' for sake of Duke's IMAGE - I'm appalled. The Date Rape Drug use is pandemic now and yet it has fallen from the media spotlight. No wonder domestic violence is surging in America - but then in the great State of NC led by Atty General Roy T. Cooper, Domestice Violence is a Class1A Misdemeanor. Beaten beyond recognition, burned, kicked, bloodied, and only a Misdemeanor, unless he kills you.

RAPE, includING child rape and student rape, seems to be more of a pastime and benefit that it does a crime; judging from the failure to impose 'real' punishment for these crimes."


newspeak

"First Lieutenant George W. Bush REFUSED AN ORDER to accomplish his Annual MANDATORY military medical exam in 1972. He performed no duty for pay from 1972 until a visit from the Honorable Discharge Fairy in 1974. 1st Lt?? How many pilots served 6 years and only got one promotion. Anyone who would LIE about fulfilling their military obligation will lie about anything. This has always concerned me. Dan Rather got fired for reporting facts only 'someone' changed the signature on the 'memo' to give the illusion Bush's military service was honorable; all else Rather reported was fact.

I read where in 1999 Margie Schoending filed claim in court of law that George W. Bush raped her. It didn't get to trial because she was shot in the head and killed.

The media chose NOT to reveal Bush's real military service and NOT to broadcast Schoendinger's rape charge.

It's difficult to believe what is happening today in the USA-- we are evolving backwards in time. We TORTURE PEOPLE. We interrogate IRAQIS and give billions in arms to Saudis.

I think George Orwell was as much a prophet as he was an author.

God Bless Planet Earth and all its' truthful and honest inhabitants."


http://politics.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/2/14/george-w-bush-is-fundraising-personally-for-his-library.html

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More from Myra Kinderknecht - this commented is featured on Amazon.com

Crystal Mangum raped according to Durham Superior Court Search document, November 16, 2009
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Myra Kinderknecht

Amazon
This review is from: The Last Dance for Grace: The Crystal Mangum Story (Hardcover)

"Taken from a State of North Carolina Superior Court Division - Search Warrant - Probable Cause Affidavit, signed by a Judge and an Affiant on 3/27/2006:

QUOTE "The victim was treated and evaluated at Duke University Medical Center Emergency Room shortly after the attack took place. A Forensic Sexual Assault Nurse (SANE) and Physician conducted the examination. Medical records and interviews that were obtained by a subpoena revealed the victim had signs, symptoms, and injuries consistent with being raped and sexually assaulted vaginally and anally. Furthermore, the SANE nurse stated the INJURIES and her behavior were consistent with a traumatic experience." END QUOTE

That leave 2 possibilities:
1. She was raped at the Duke Lacrosse Party House, .......or
2. She was raped and brutalized and injured and while in a state of trauma and injuries, she still reported to dance at the Duke Party.

The injustice of this case is despicable."



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Myra Kinderknecht

"The used FAKE NAMES to hire the dancers. ? Premeditation to do something wrong? A 'fake name' player went outside and deliberately photographed her trying to get back in the house. WHY? They had her shoe (1 shoe), her car keys, cell phone, money, etc. in the house. Why did they lock her out and keep her personal belongings? Why can't the wonderful security guards and police even remember who took her to the hospital? Defense Lawyers LIE FOR A LIVING. DNA labs in NC recently (Feb 2006) reported to have major problems processing DNA. DUH!!!

KKK has been alive and well in Durham NC recently on several occasions. Raping the Raped -- victimizing the victim -- well, let me say this on another subject: the reward for having the highest rate of children killed during child abuse is to promote 3 of the Fort Bragg offcials (males) responsible for safeguarding the children to the rank of GENERAL. GOD HELP THE CHILDREN !! nbc17 along with all other media STOPPED REPORTING Bragg's child abuse in April 2004. But then, NC was the last state to stop eugenics. They work overtime to keep an innocent man in prison by hiding evidence that could clear him, aided by the media in withholding all the facts."

Myra Kinderknecht


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