| CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010 | |
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| Baldo | Dec 10 2010, 04:14 PM Post #271 |
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Like I said before, its Mahrud (Durham spelled backwards). Much like "Bizarro World" Mahrud has it own code when it comes to their Poster Girl. Bizarro Code which states "Us do opposite of all Earthly things! Us hate beauty! Us love ugliness! Is big crime to make anything perfect on Bizarro World!". In one episode, for example, a salesman is doing a brisk trade selling Bizarro bonds: "Guaranteed to lose money for you". Later, the mayor appoints Bizarro No. 1 to investigate a crime, "Because you are stupider than the entire Bizarro police force put together". This is intended and taken as a great compliment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World So when a mother sets a fire in her apartment with her kids there, she has the right to remain silient. Sheer Lunacy! But hay, that is Mahrud Justice. You just have to understand it makes as much sense as a Comic Book. Edited by Baldo, Dec 10 2010, 04:42 PM.
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| Mason | Dec 10 2010, 04:53 PM Post #272 |
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. Reaction to the N&O report from today: The News and Observer report from today isn't exactly correct. They say once Crystal was handcuffed she laid there still. That was said, but then Officer Tyler went on to detail how Crystal resisted by not cooperating after that point. It took three Policemen to get her to a Car after she refused to follow instructions on how to get up with the assistance of the Cops. Then she proceeded to try to escape in the car and continually ended up on the floor almost upside down. They also stated that Crystal wouldn't respond to them in the residence after she was handcuffed. The News and Observer description may leave the impression that she was compliant from that point on when the testimony was just the opposite. To the credit of the News and Observer article, they did report on the Prosecutor and his taking issue with the ruling that Crystal was only exercising her right to remain silent. The Prosecutor was passionate that the ruling was incorrect and her behavior was troubling, to put it mildly. . Edited by Mason, Dec 10 2010, 04:54 PM.
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| MikeZPU | Dec 10 2010, 05:20 PM Post #273 |
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Haha -- good one on both points! |
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| Deleted User | Dec 10 2010, 06:20 PM Post #274 |
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, she also is a serious student who recently received an A in a difficult course. She also slept in a Holiday Inn once. Just how many flavors of kool-aid are there? |
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| chatham | Dec 10 2010, 06:23 PM Post #275 |
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Some comments from a different perspective. This is essentially the same story but from my perspective. Victoria Peterson was there in the front row with headphones on listening to an iPOD or something. The M guy from durham blog was sitting right in the group of crystal supporters. The N&O reported has only been with the N&O about 1 year She was not familiar with liestoppers so I told her to look for it. Crystal gave the cop her sisters name. The cops said that that name did not ring a bell about being related to crystal. She was placed under arrest, cops tried to reason some with her and she ended up sitting on the floor handcuffed and milton was sitting in a chair. So they were separated. The Tyler cop smelled smoke or what smelled like something burning and thought maybe it was the kerosene heater. Cop goes looking. Also saw some haze in the air. Went tot he kids bedroom and it was not heavy smelling there. Kids were huddled together on their bed. Cop went to crystals room and the haze was more dense. He then knew something was on fire. Opened the bathroom door and immediately saw a small fire in the bathtub that flared up like a flash fire would. He shut the door immediately. This only too a few seconds. He yelled tog et the kids out of the apartment and at that point the smoke was very dense. He testified that none of the residents of the house seemed fazed by the fire or smoke. Cop also mentioned that the lights were off in the bathroom so when he opened the door he saw the fame and it just about immediately flashed up. Bathroom, according to him was fully involved and flames could be seen flaming out of the door. This is about the time the defense objected to a question about crystal remaining silent and not saying there was a fire in the bathroom. Judge sustained the objection, to my surprise, based on some past case he knew about from way back that even the judge admitted was not relevant to the present issue. Even though crystal was put under arrest the cops still are assuming that she is someone else. He sister? or at least not crystal mangum. All this occurred in a short period of time after the cops originally arrived on the scene. Tyler, I believe, also went next door to see if anyone was in that half of the duplex but no one was home. Crystal was brought out to a cop car and put in the back seat. Tyler the copsaidthatarrested suspects are not usually left alone in a cop car so even though no one was sitting with crystal they needed to check on her every now and then. The first time tyler checked on her she was not seen. He went over to the car and found her sort of leaned over in an upside down position in a small bathroom hahahaha just kidding about that bathroom thing... so the cop told her she had to sit upright for her own safety. They put the seat belt on her but she managed to do the same stunt over again at least 3 times with this one cop. Tyler mentioned to the battalion chief that the fire seem not accidental to him and he would like the chief to investigate for arson. Crystal now was yelling that she needed an ambulance because her back was hurting so bad because of the back procedure she had done the day before. The papers indicating she had the procedure were in her olds, so she said. When the cops looked for those hospital papers is when the cops found out she was not who she said she was but was in fact crystal mangum. The attempted murder charge was added on by the magistrate and when the cops found out they had a hard time believing it. The defense started after morning the break. The defense start was weird to me. She, the lady with the short hair, was only asking questions about the experience of this 12 year cop and how he writes up reports and why he does stuff a certain way when it comes to record keeping and what training he had in domestic violence, etc. It was pretty disjointed. I think she was trying to establish that the DPD does not keep very good records or writes very good reports. (IMO, this defense comes from the actions of the DPD in the LAX case) ANyway, after a few yawns, it was noon. The judge told the jury to take 2 hours for lunch because the court house was having a once a year event he and the staff had to go to Yes, a government sponsored, trial interrupting, christmas party linch right in the court house. Thats when I left for the day. Some other observations. The jury seemed interested in the testimony. It appeared to me that when the defense objected to the testimony by tyler that crystal did not say anything about a fire a few smiles came out. They did not seem too pleasantly happy when the judge asked them to leave the court. Actually, the jury was asked a couple of different times to leave the court. The other time was when the cop was testifying to what someone else said. The judge allowed it with the caveat that it would have to be corroborated later, or it would be tossed out. To me the jury looked bored with the defense. During the break I was sitting next to a woman with the biggest feet I have even seen. I was also just staring at crystal and she kept looking at me very quickly not feeling very comfortable she would look at me every few seconds until court started up again. Crystal was busy up front always busy writing things down in a spiral pad. She looked very studious and not like someone who is up on arson charges. She does tend to flip her hair to the back all the time. |
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| sceptical | Dec 10 2010, 06:24 PM Post #276 |
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Probably both. The intersection between drug abuse and mental illness is especially dangerous. Edited by sceptical, Dec 10 2010, 06:25 PM.
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| chatham | Dec 10 2010, 06:37 PM Post #277 |
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What surprises me is that crystal does not look like she is a mentally ill person nor a drug user when she wants to act normal. She looks extremely normal this morning at her trial. If I was a juror that saw her for the first time, I would not think of drugs, mental illness, or arson as being part of her life. |
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| sceptical | Dec 10 2010, 06:52 PM Post #278 |
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We do not have Crystal's medical records, but some patients with mental illness can act totally normal until stresses set them off. Depending on her state of mind Crystal's affect might seem unremarkable, especially if she lays off the prescription pain meds. We do know that she was recenty on morphine and hydrocodone. In the past she has also taken Seroquel and Depakote (which are used to treat psychosis, bipolar disorder or schizophrenia) and methadone (which is used to treat opiate addiction). However, apart from underlying chemical imbalances in her brain, she seems to be able to turn on and off some of her behaviors. Edited by sceptical, Dec 10 2010, 07:08 PM.
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| Quasimodo | Dec 10 2010, 07:05 PM Post #279 |
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| sceptical | Dec 10 2010, 07:07 PM Post #280 |
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John in Carolina wrote a prescient post in 2007 about Mangum's drug abuse and how it might affect her children. The post was written after the release of the report on the lacrosse case by Atty. Gen. Roy Cooper: http://johninnorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2007/04/ag-roy-coopers-report.html
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| sceptical | Dec 10 2010, 07:23 PM Post #281 |
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An N&O story from April, 2007 states that Mangum was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Bipolar patients can act totally normal between manic or depressive phases.
Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2007/04/13/44070/mangums-life-conflict-contradictions.html#ixzz17l3PAxlZ |
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| Quasimodo | Dec 10 2010, 10:48 PM Post #282 |
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NOT A WORD about Mangum's WILD resistance; her actions in the car; etc. Compare and contrast THIS account with the other accounts here, and see what impression of the proceedings and of Mangum's actions the reader would get. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 10 2010, 11:08 PM Post #283 |
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It begs the question whether or not she would have ever told police about the children if the police had not discovered them on their own. This judge sounds like he attended the Ronald Stephens school of justice. |
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| LTC8K6 | Dec 10 2010, 11:13 PM Post #284 |
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No furniture and a portable kerosene heater? Does she have no money? Spend it on pills? Where are all of her friends? Poor kids... |
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| sdsgo | Dec 10 2010, 11:30 PM Post #285 |
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“The right to remain silent …” Yes, once she was placed under arrest, Crystal had a right to remain silent, even if that put her own children in grave danger. As jurors, we would want to hear that she took responsibility for setting the fire and warned those in the house. But she had no affirmative duty to speak out, and we must respect her rights. But what does that really mean? Simply this – as jurors, we must set the issue aside when reaching a verdict. Her decision not to speak neither helps her nor harms her. We must base our decision on the facts before us. After all, Crystal stands trial for willfully and maliciously setting fire to the inhabited dwelling of another – not failure to warn. Ms. Mangum went into that bathroom, put clothes in the tub, started a fire, walked out, closed the door behind her, and said nothing about it to anyone during the short time prior to her arrest. Arson is a particularly hideous crime because it violates the victim’s fundamental right to be secure in their own home. Mani Dexter ignores Milton Walker’s rights when she questions Cpl. John Tyler’s decision to allow Walker back into the house. Walker did not force his way into the house yelling and screaming. No, he did just the opposite. Milton calmly knocked on the door and stood there, with no shirt, no shoes, and wet clothes in the middle of a cold February night. He waited patiently to be let into his own home. But Dexter would have us believe that twelve year veteran officer John Tyler should have known better than to let an obviously frozen man back into his own dwelling. She claims that Cpl. Taylor’s decision to respect Milton Walker’s rights gave Crystal, who was in no immediate danger whatsoever, a legitimate excuse to fly into a fit of rage. Fortunately, the law doesn’t work that way. Crystal knew exactly what she was doing when she struck that match. She – not Taylor, nor Walker, nor her children – was responsible for the fire in the bathroom. Mani, tell us, why did Crystal close the bathroom door? It wasn’t to conceal the fire, was it? |
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