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CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010
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So much for the demur honor college grad and psychology student...

And future graduate student in "criminal justice".
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Thanks-whoever went today!
Thanks Mason for posting.

Just remember my warning from last week, if anyone else decides to go....its cold in the courtroom and the benches are hard. Go prepared.

There are outlets for plugging in laptops.
Edited by ~J~ is in Wonderland, Dec 10 2010, 02:01 PM.
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its cold in the courtroom and the benches are hard

That's because they make it so cozy for the inmates.
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Dec 10 2010, 01:04 PM
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Officer Tyler described the Apartment as small and having a lot of debris on the floor and all around. He mentioned that "lots of debris" about 3 times. He said there was no furniture in the Living room at all, except an outside folding chair that was used.

He said, without being able to put a fine point on it, that something just wasn't right He said Crystal didn't act right.

He said Crystal did the opposite of everything the Police asked her - eventually 4 different Police officers were speaking nice to her and trying to get her to follow direction and she fought every time. She was put in the back seat of the cruiser at one point when the Fire trucks had the Police blocked in and she was told what was going on and told she just needed to sit there and they would be back shortly. They looked and it looked like Crystal was gone, she had dove down under the front seats as best as she could and looked very uncomfortable, she was practically upside-down. The officers put her upright explained nicely for safety reasons they needed to be able to see her - but FOUR more times Crystal got out of the seatbelt and did the Dive.

It took 3 cops to carry out Crystal because she fought them on everything, fought them wildly. Officer Tyler said that Crystal said at one point she had back problems - and Officer Tyler said it didn't look like it to him. He said she really fought them good. The female officer (Thompson) is very small.

Despite all her dressing up, Crystal Mangum is mentally ill and, under stress, starts acting erratically. Whether it is trying to run over a cop, "fainting" in the parking lot of the strip club, pretending she is unconscious in Kim Pittman's car, and now crawling under the seat of a police car and resisting police officers-- this behavior is not normal.
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Despite all her dressing up, Crystal Mangum is mentally ill and, under stress, starts acting erratically. Whether it is trying to run over a cop, "fainting" in the parking lot of the strip club, pretending she is unconscious in Kim Pittman's car, and now crawling under the seat of a police car and resisting police officers-- this behavior is not normal.


How on earth could the media have covered for her all this time and presented a picture to the public of
a "navy veteran, mother of two, college student, working her way through school by stripping"?

The media HAD information about her background, but just refused to print it.

Secondly, the sealing of her medical records limited the information the public had with which to make a judgment
about her credibility; which further left the reputations of those she falsely accused still damaged. That information
needs to be public to fully clear the innocent.

Third, how on earth did NCCU award this woman a degree with honors? What courses did she take? Who
were her professors? What grades did she get? What papers did she write?
How does awarding her a degree affect the reputation of NCCU?

Does the press want to ask any of these questions? No; because it is still in a cover-up mode--both
for Crystal, and for themselves (how can they admit their own willful deceptions?)
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Clarification from our friend:

The police had discussed the fire right over Crystal. One stayed with Crystal and the other said he was going to look for the fire and when he came back he told the other officer they had to get Crystal out of there.


After the judge ruled
It couldn't be stated because it was her right to remain silent, the ADA wasn't happy. His voice changed and he said, she had a duty as a Mother to protect those kids.


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Dec 10 2010, 02:20 PM


How on earth could the media have covered for her all this time and presented a picture to the public of
a "navy veteran, mother of two, college student, working her way through school by stripping"?

The media HAD information about her background, but just refused to print it.

There's a real story here: how the media has covered for Crystal
all along--what the media KNEW but censored

(exhibit A: "Dancer gives details of ordeal").

Maybe someone new to the story will want to take that up.

(It's worthy of an in-depth investigation.)
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"Dancer Gives Details of Ordeal"

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The petite, soft-spoken woman is described by friends as a caring mother and a hard worker. According to people who have talked with her about her studies at NCCU, she also is a serious student who recently received an A in a difficult course.

The youngest of three children raised in a working-class Durham neighborhood, she graduated from Hillside High School in 1996, according to her family. A school yearbook photo from her senior year shows a girl with chin-length black braids and dark brown eyes. Her lips are pursed in a shy smile.

(snip)



Easy to recognize Crystal Mangum from this account... (sarc/off)

And she was from a "working class neighborhood"--not a rich suburb like those arrogant, macho, strutting, privileged lacrosse
players...

(How much of the input for this article was vintage Gottlieb?)


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Chances are that her degree was bought and paid for by the NAACP in Durham. It was part of the reinvention of Crystal that needed to take place in order to convict RDC.
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She's probably nearly constantly under the influence of drugs...rather than mentally ill.

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The petite, soft-spoken woman is described by friends as a caring mother and a hard worker. According to people who have talked with her about her studies at NCCU, she also is a serious student who recently received an A in a difficult course.


Sheer fantasy...

I bet a donut that those lines of copy were pulled from a hat.
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http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/2007/04/samiha-khanna-returns-to-hoax.html

April 12, 2007

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Among their many defenses seeking to justify the editorial decision to selectively withhold information offered by Ms. Mangum, News & Observer editors Linda Williams and Melanie Sill contended that inclusion of the previously unrevealed statements would have been libelous.

“As previously stated, the accuser offered a description of the second dancer hired for the party. The presence of a second woman at the party was already known, but she was not identified at that time. The description was withheld because it was irrelevant in the absence of any other available information about the second woman. The accusers' speculation about the actions of the second woman was also not printed.

“If we had printed that utterance- an admitted speculation without the slightest foundation to suggest the possibility of truth-- it would have been a conscious act of libel…Nonetheless, having made the decision not to print the speculation that was highly probably to be defamatory to several people, we have no legitimate reason to ever discuss publicly the specifics. Some of you have suggested that we should have printed it simply to show that the accuser was not credible.


[that would, IMHO, have been a sufficient reason; however, a paper is supposed to REPORT what was said, not
tailor it to suit a storyline]


Such reasoning is curious. Moreover, it is neither legally nor morally defensible.”
--Linda Williams 12/24/2006

[They certainly printed IMHO much speculation and unsubstantiated opinion that was libelous about the lacrosse players...]


“As to the question about libel exposure from various accusations: Allegations contained in police reports, lawsuits and other judicial documents are protected, meaning people can bring such complaints (and media can report on them) without being subject to libel prosecution.” -- Melanie Sill 1/02/07

Apparently, now that charges have been dropped and Crystal Mangum has been proven to be a liar, McClatchy has no remaining legal or moral qualms, as Ms. Khanna now reveals the previously hidden words:

“She said that although she saw no proof, she believed the second dancer also was attacked, but didn't come forward because she would lose her job as an escort.”

"I got the feeling she would do just about anything for money," Mangum said of the second dancer, Kim Roberts."


(snip)

For quite some time there has been an incredible amount of substantive information available to the public and to [writer] Samiha Khanna. If anything, “clashing” evidence has only existed in the form of her words and those of her fellow Hoax enablers who have chosen to foster the same fraudulent illusions. Any doubt that existed, and that will continue to exist, is the poison fruit of lies and misinformation put forth by the unscrupulous Defendant Nifong, agenda-driven activists and community leaders, and, as Ms. Khanna again demonstrates, an irresponsible and willfully misleading media.
Edited by Quasimodo, Dec 10 2010, 02:47 PM.
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Dec 10 2010, 01:54 PM
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It took 3 cops to carry out Crystal because she fought them on everything, fought them wildly.


So much for the demur honor college grad and psychology student...
So much for the demur honor college grad and psychology student...

Quasi, how can you forget that she is not only a college grad but also, like Cathy Davidson, a published author?
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A published author of fiction no less, payback. Crystal has managed to acquire quite a resume over the years.

Question for anyone: Was Cousin Jackki in the courtroom today and was she in male theme or female theme - one never knows.
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http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/12/10/855264/witness-mangum-gave-no-warning.html


Witness: Mangum gave no warning about fire in apartment



Crystal Mangum struggled and resisted arrest until police officers finally were able to get the handcuffs on her, Durham Police Cpl. John Tyler testified this morning.

“As soon as we got her handcuffed, it was almost like a light switch,” Tyler said during the second day of testimony in the case. “She didn’t say anything else, and she just laid there.”

Tyler said she remained silent after officers smelled smoke and he ran from room to room, searching for the source. He checked on Mangum’s three children who were huddled on a mattress in their bedroom. He checked Mangum’s bedroom.

And then he opened the bathroom door.

“The whole bathroom appeared that is was on fire,” he said. “And then of course my next concern was the children.”
Not once did Mangum say “check the bathroom, please get my kids out,” Tyler testified.

(snip)

Prosecutor Mark McCullough, however, argued that Mangum had a duty to speak up to protect her three children, Tyler and her then boyfriend Milton Walker, who was sitting in the apartment.

“Under the circumstances, her kids were in the room, three feet from the fire. Who sits there and does that?” McCullough argued after the jury was sent into another room. “I think she has a duty to not be silent. She has a duty if not to them, if not to Mr. Walker, for her own dad-gum children who were three feet from the fire. Who is responsible for them?”

(snip)

Dexter started cross examining Tyler just before the judge dismissed the jury for lunch.

Edited by Quasimodo, Dec 10 2010, 03:25 PM.
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Note what's missing (as expected?) from the N&O account:

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Officer Tyler described the Apartment as small and having a lot of debris on the floor and all around. He mentioned that "lots of debris" about 3 times. He said there was no furniture in the Living room at all, except an outside folding chair that was used.

He said, without being able to put a fine point on it, that something just wasn't right He said Crystal didn't act right.

He said Crystal did the opposite of everything the Police asked her - eventually 4 different Police officers were speaking nice to her and trying to get her to follow direction and she fought every time. She was put in the back seat of the cruiser at one point when the Fire trucks had the Police blocked in and she was told what was going on and told she just needed to sit there and they would be back shortly. They looked and it looked like Crystal was gone, she had dove down under the front seats as best as she could and looked very uncomfortable, she was practically upside-down. The officers put her upright explained nicely for safety reasons they needed to be able to see her - but FOUR more times Crystal got out of the seatbelt and did the Dive.

It took 3 cops to carry out Crystal because she fought them on everything, fought them wildly. Officer Tyler said that Crystal said at one point she had back problems - and Officer Tyler said it didn't look like it to him. He said she really fought them good. The female officer (Thompson) is very small.

Officer Tyler stated the after-hours Magistrate is the one that suggested the charge of Attempted Murder after being briefed on what happened. He said when he heard News reports saying she had been charged with Attempted Murder he thought the News had got it all wrong.

Officer Tyler said the Police on scene didn't know that she was Crystal Mangum until after she had been arrested and just before they went to leave the Scene. This is after the Fire Dept, EMS, and the whole nine yards worked the place. EMS came to find out she was Crystal Mangum just when everyone was leaving the scene when they found medication in Milton's car with the name, Crystal Mangum on it. Up until then, they thought they were dealing with a Marella Mangum, someone he said he found out was the name of her sister.


What kind of image of Crystal is NOT given to the public when they do not get to read the above?

All you get from the N&O is that there was a fire, and Crystal remained silent as she had a right to do--NOTHING
about her conduct in the police car (reminiscent of her conduct in the lacrosse case), her wildly resisting police,
or the fact that the police did not know who she was until they were leaving.

SO MUCH, that the Durham public never gets to know...


(MOO)
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