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CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010
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MikeZPU

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Dec 7 2010, 10:09 PM

Mason, let me build on what you said. First you must introduce evidence (crime scene photographs) to establish that there was a fire in the bathroom; followed by expert testimony as to the likely cause of the fire and the nature and extent of the damage. If possible, you would want to produce evidence that she burned male (his) clothes.

Now you would want to establish the she was extremely angry with him (motive), and that the police observed her carrying clothes into the bathroom when they arrived. Also, you would want to establish using police testimony that her boyfriend was not inside the house from the time they arrived until he came in through the front door. You might also want to point out the Crystal was very persistent that the police leave immediately. Why would she be so anxious for them leave if she were in danger from her boyfriend?

We could go into further detail but let’s leave that for the trial.
Ooooh, that's a really good point!

Mangum's lawyer is on record as unequivocally telling the court that
Mangum did NOT want the police to enter her residence, that she did
NOT want the police there ...

But if Milton started the fire, why didn't Mangum want police
(1) to come in and put out the fire,
(2) help get her children to safety, and
(3) protect both her and her kids from Milton?

If Milton was the one threatening violence, wouldn't she want the police
there to protect her and her children from him? Why would she be
so adamant that they leave and not enter the residence?

Edited by MikeZPU, Dec 8 2010, 02:05 AM.
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Mangum Trial SHOULD start today

Wed, Dec 08, 2010 12:22 AM
From Staff Reports
Tags: crime and safety | durham | local | news

DURHAM -- Crystal Mangum's arson trial should start today now that lawyers have chosen 12 jurors and one alternate.

After four days of jury selection, the court must accept one more alternate this morning before the trial can begin.

Mangum became well-known after claiming she had been raped by three Duke lacrosse players. The claims were determined to be unfounded. She is accused of setting fire to her boyfriend's clothes in a bathtub while her three children and two police officers were in the apartment.

She is charged with arson, three counts of contributing to the abuse of her children, injury to personal property and resisting arrest.


Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/12/08/849865/mangum-arson-trial-should-start.html#ixzz17PpxiylU



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Does anyone think that Crystal's child, the one that called 911, will testify?
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Dec 8 2010, 07:01 AM
Does anyone think that Crystal's child, the one that called 911, will testify?
no. They have the call. That is enough.
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Crystal’s final two Class 2 misdemeanor charges.

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§ 14-160. Willful and wanton injury to personal property; punishments.

(a) If any person shall wantonly and willfully injure the personal property of another he shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.

(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a), if any person shall wantonly and willfully injure the personal property of another, causing damage in an amount in excess of two hundred dollars ($200.00), he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

(c) This section applies to injuries to personal property without regard to whether the property is destroyed or not.

§ 14-223. Resisting officers.

If any person shall willfully and unlawfully resist, delay or obstruct a public officer in discharging or attempting to discharge a duty of his office, he shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.



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The Child is the 9 yr old. I doubt they'll put a 9 yr old on the stand, but we've seen everything out of Crystal and her camp.

Crystal's Dream Team now refers to the KKK in and around Durham practically every day. Isn't this the same bunch that rallied the hate for "the Carpetbaggers" and the "Carpetbagger Jihad?"

We were told Durhamites were the only people that should judge Nifong or be involved in the Duke Lacrosse prosecution, but now they are strikng out at Durhamites saying how prevalent the KKK is in the area.

Crystal's constant lies and fabrications have these people all over the place.

Let me remind everyone of another instance of Crystal losing her mind and resorting to violence. It happened at the Platinum club. She sat down next to a couple (Crystal was working) and started making sexual comments to the woman and was continually stroking her hair. One of the couple notified the club management of how uncomfortable Crystal was making them and when a bouncer approached the table, Crystal grabbed the woman's hair and started pulling it with all her might. Crystal was dragged off and told to stay away from the couple or she would lose her job.
Crystal has one of her fits and ends up feigning loss of consciousness in the bathroom where she stays there nude until approx 5:00 am when she is discovered and dragged nude across the parking lot to near the location of the vehicles of the employees.

Some will also remember Crystal getting out of a car on the highway in winter and walking without a jacket - after a conflict.

Her own Brother said she lost her mind when she was committed to a Mental institution in 2005.

The Police found she was NOT credible when she reported her Ex-husband was trying to take her into the woods and kill her. She admitted to selling drugs at one time and then she accused some of the group she was with selling drugs of gang-raping her. Crystal never showed up to provide Police with the information they requested to pursue the case at all.

I think the Prosecution should aim to show that Crystal is simply not believable and she has a long history illustrating that fact (if given the opportunity). She is an Ex-Con. She walked into one hosptial (DUMC) and told one detailed story that was splashed across the pages of the country and then the next day or so, she goes to UNC hospital and tells an entirely different story. The latter hospital is already alerted to Crystal's lies and has her marked for special treatment due to her previous abuses and lies offered to obtain specific pain medications. Those stories are captured and part of state's evidence in a prior case.

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KC weighs in:

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http://www.durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/

The Mangum Trial

Dec. 8, 2010

(snip)

A few items: (1) Prosecutors agreed that they wouldn’t bring up Mangum’s myriad lies in the lacrosse case to undermine the credibility of her tales regarding the criminal charges against her.

(snip)

Reported the N&O, Mangum’s attorney asked the judge “to release the eighth juror interviewed because his family has strong ties to Duke and his wife, a university employee, sat on a committee charged with helping the campus deal with the lacrosse scandal.

The mentioned committee was presumably the Campus Culture Initiative—a body dominated by the Group of 88 and its allies. It would seem that this juror would be ideal for the false accuser.

(snip)

Intriguingly, Matherly claims that Mangum still possesses considerable “support” at North Carolina Central—which, if true, would be astonishing.


(4) And, one final point worth reiterating; Matherly is a minor player in the People’s Alliance. But Milo Pyne is a significant actor, co-chairing the PA’s PAC and serving as the group’s spokesperson. This is the man, again, who just announced his “sympathy” for Mike Nifong.

I’d be hard pressed to come up with any other case in which local liberal leaders publicly, and repeatedly, sided with the perpetrator of prosecutorial misconduct.

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Intriguingly, Matherly claims that Mangum still possesses considerable “support” at North Carolina Central—which, if true, would be astonishing.


It's not astonishing at all, actually.
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Dec 8 2010, 03:39 PM
KC weighs in:

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http://www.durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/

The Mangum Trial

Dec. 8, 2010
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I found the last paragraph compelling:

"I’d be hard pressed to come up with any other case in which local liberal leaders publicly, and repeatedly, sided with the perpetrator of prosecutorial misconduct. In this respect, the actions of figures such as Matherly and Pyne cast an ugly light on the sincerity of “progressives” in Durham."

KC
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http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/12/08/851439/jury-pool-set-for-crystal-mangums.html

Jury pool set for Crystal Mangum's arson trial in Durham

BY JESSE JAMES DECONTO - STAFF WRITER

DURHAM -- After four-and-a-half days of jury selection slowed by prospective jurors' prejudice stemming from the Duke lacrosse case, Crystal Mangum's arson trial will commence Thursday morning.

After interviews with 40 potential jurors, Superior Court Judge Abe Jones finalized a panel of 12 jurors and two alternates. Jones nearly opted to proceed with one alternate but lawyers made that unnecessary when they approved the final alternate at 3:20 p.m.

Prosecutor Mark McCullough and defense attorney Mani Dexter didn't have much choice, as they had both exhausted their supplies of eight peremptory challenges.

But Jones already had dismissed five out of seven previous jurors interviewed Wednesday because they had admitted bias that might keep Mangum from getting a fair trial.

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http://democracydurham.blogspot.com/

Wednesday, December 8, 2010

THE 14TH JUROR

Today was the day of "The 14th Juror".

(snip)

Yesterday, the DA passed on three black folks in a row because they said that they would prefer to have "direct" evidence in addition to circumstantial evidence before they could convict someone. Today, we had a procession of prejudiced people who, one after another, stated with straight faces that, based on what they had heard in the media about Crystal concerning the Lacrosse case, that they would not be able to treat her fairly. They sat up there and admitted to their bias.

Here's the thing that infuriates me: There was never a trial, everything they heard (and apparently) believed came from the lawyers of those young men, and none of it was proven in a court of law.

(snip)

People get SO upset if you call them racist or prejudiced but there it was today in living color!!!
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MikeZPU

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Dec 8 2010, 06:44 PM
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http://democracydurham.blogspot.com/

Wednesday, December 8, 2010

THE 14TH JUROR

Today was the day of "The 14th Juror".

(snip)

Yesterday, the DA passed on three black folks in a row because they said that they would prefer to have "direct" evidence in addition to circumstantial evidence before they could convict someone. Today, we had a procession of prejudiced people who, one after another, stated with straight faces that, based on what they had heard in the media about Crystal concerning the Lacrosse case, that they would not be able to treat her fairly. They sat up there and admitted to their bias.

Here's the thing that infuriates me: There was never a trial, everything they heard (and apparently) believed came from the lawyers of those young men, and none of it was proven in a court of law.

(snip)

People get SO upset if you call them racist or prejudiced but there it was today in living color!!!
Again, I say that Matherly is a blathering idiot!

What we had was a thorough investigation by two Special Prosecutors
and a subsequent investigative report issued by the Attorney General!

Does Blatherly have any neurons firing inside that racist brain of his?
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These same Papers, these same reporters reported this process started last Monday. It went from Monday to the next Wednesday - that's eight days to me.

For about the fourth time, we have a headline saying the Trial starts today (tomorrow or Thursday, in this case). In a case where in this court a case like this takes 2.5 hours from start to finish - it has taken 9 days and it hasn't even started.



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After four-and-a-half days of jury selection slowed by prospective jurors' prejudice stemming from the Duke lacrosse case, Crystal Mangum's arson trial will commence Thursday morning.


The jurors are prejudiced . . . ?

Maybe that sentence needs to be rewritten?



(That word is tossed around an awful lot here;whereas no one seems willing to discuss
the only actual prejudice connected to this case, which was the prejudice against
northern yankee white athletes; which manifested itself in a town's blind emotional
commitment to their conviction (17% who admitted as much in a poll) regardless of
all the proofs of their actual innocence.)





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Five days for a jury selection for an arson charge and associated misdemeanors??

If other similar cases in Durham took this long, the courts would be totally clogged up. This is not a murder or manslaughter case. It is a sometimes deranged woman starting a fire in a bathtub.

As usual, KC Johnson was on target when he named his blog "Durham-in-Wonderland." Things keep getting curiouser and curiouser.
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