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et tu, Yale?
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Topic Started: Oct 18 2010, 12:21 PM (414 Views)
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Oct 18 2010, 12:21 PM
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http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/weird/Racy--57156132.html
Racy "Scouting Report" Rates Yale's Freshmen Co-eds Some students outraged at crude e-mail
By BEN SOSENKO
Fri, Sep 4, 2009
Someone has ranked 53 incoming Yale freshmen women based on how many beers it would take for guys to find them attractive and sent out an e-mail with what’s called the "The Preseason Scouting Report."
The e-mail sender was anonymous, but whoever it is, is causing some outrage on the ivy-league campus less than a week into the school year.
The rating system uses words like "sobriety, " five beers," or "10 beers," and women say the feel victimized and university officials are trying to track who sent the e-mail.
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“It seems like it would be extremely upsetting to have that come out like that, just the way they were rated was pretty offensive,” Alice Walton, a Yale student, said.
“I totally thought high school cattiness was over, I though I escaped all that coming here. I mean it was definitely shocking,” Farlah Kahn, another Yale student , said.
Despite the hard feelings over the letter, Michael Jones, a junior, doesn't think the letter reflects poorly on Yale.
"They're college kids. Everybody is entitled to a mistake. I just hope the list doesn't hurt anyone who's on it," Jones said.
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Oct 18 2010, 12:22 PM
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Note that this didn't get national attention.
(More evidence that the lies of Mangum and Nifong, and Duke's refusal to rebut them, is still damaging people?)
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Oct 18 2010, 12:24 PM
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http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2009/sep/04/letter-the-opposite-of-what-we-need/
Friday, September 4, 2009
Letter: The opposite of what we need
Re: “Vulgar e-mail targets freshmen” (Sept. 3). Pretty much everyone who’s heard about the “Preseason Scouting Report” is outraged by it. Outrage is a good starting point, but it’s not enough.
It’s hard to figure out how to think about it, though; how not to shut down and retreat into thinking about the world in stark blacks and whites: “Football boys are awful,” “Girls are perpetually endangered objects,” etc. People are much more complicated than that.
One thing we can do is to step back from the extremity of this particular instance of hatefulness and objectification and think about how it fits on a continuum with the rest of Yale sexual culture. If our impulse is to say to the freshman women on this list, “Yale isn’t really like this,” well, then, what is it like? And what do we want it to be like?
The “Preseason Scouting Report” is not all there is to Yale sexual culture (and thank goodness), and it does not even represent a majority strain. It does, however, reveal a dangerous element within.
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When hooking up becomes about social status, or impressing your friends, or just about your need to get off, or being willing to publicly humiliate others, it gets very ugly very quickly. We need to broaden our conception of intimacy and how it can reside, and even thrive, within the “hook-up” culture.
We need to think about the obligations we have together as classmates, and as people.
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Oct 18 2010, 12:29 PM
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Excuse me, but I don't think that the issue with the "preseason scouting report" is the actual objectification containing therein as much as how disgusting it is that those boys actually preyed on freshmen girls, printed their pictures and contact information without their consent, and circulated things about them that they lacked the balls to say to their faces but could say when hidden by the cloak of anonymity.
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oh, geeze, grow a pair. Life is hard. Life has lots of rude people in it. I'm sorry you feel 'objectified.' I can probably guess you guys are not on the list, which means you have had your egos affected by not being judged for your attractiveness. Humans are vain bunch, and not being thought of as attractive causes all sorts of emotional problems. For example, the womens liberation movement started with the ugly girls on campus - did you see how Betty Freidan looked when she started the movement. In a hook up culture she'd get a 'passed out with someone else's equipment' rating.
Can't ANYONE find a little bit of humor in anything anymore without someone somewhere getting insulted? It's reached the point where you need a notarized contract to complement a woman these days, and be fully lawyered up before you propose a date, and bring on the national guard before you actually have intercourse, and perhaps armed with nuclear weapons to ask someone to marry you.
Can you folks just take it for what it is, smile, or frown, and move on?
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If you think this is bad, wait until you get into the real world. We're spoiled while we are at Yale. Outside the bubble, people are mean, jealous and nasty for no reason. People hook up. Both women AND men are objectified. For example, I now live in Los Angeles and the number of women that objectify wealthy men is quite high. What if a sorority, let's say...Theta, came out with a list of freshmen boys with trust funds (something not outside the realm of possibility) to seek out.
I feel objectified every time I go out to a bar. I happen to own a nice watch (graduation gift) and within minutes of meeting a new girl, they notice the watch and invariably ask what I do for a living and how much I make. Yes, many girls think it is acceptable to ask someone what they make in order to decide whether or not they're worth bringing home that night. Imagine a guy walking up to a girl asking her cup size.
In the end, though, this is just a classic example of "we're not gonna protest." Yale needs to screen the jeremy piven classic "PCU"
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Casual sex leads to objectification. You can have both, or neither. The modern feminist movement has not learned this fact about society.
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Oct 18 2010, 12:29 PM
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Now, if they could only have worked the word "lacrosse" into the Yale story...
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