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There were other instances where he was caught stealing from that company supposedly.

If you are stealing, most people think through what their story is going to be if they are caught - to escape responsibility. It's like driving a stolen car, you have a story ready if the Cops pull you over.

In his call to 911, the laid-back, soft-spoken, non-violent loving man said he wished he could've got (killed) more of them.

Good Morning America had his girlfriend on there and she was allowed to make any allegations she wanted freely. They did not show her face. Why are they hiding someone's face? If she wants to come forward and smear dead people, she should stand up and say what she has to say.

Unions like the Teamsters, encourage their people to file grievances.

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The more this society elevates "victimhood", the more of this kind of sh*t we are going to see.
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There were other instances where he was caught stealing from that company supposedly.

If you are stealing, most people think through what their story is going to be if they are caught - to escape responsibility. It's like driving a stolen car, you have a story ready if the Cops pull you over.

In his call to 911, the laid-back, soft-spoken, non-violent loving man said he wished he could've got (killed) more of them.

Good Morning America had his girlfriend on there and she was allowed to make any allegations she wanted freely. They did not show her face. Why are they hiding someone's face? If she wants to come forward and smear dead people, she should stand up and say what she has to say.

Unions like the Teamsters, encourage their people to file grievances.

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You are right Omar knew he was stealing and pretty much knew what was going to happen to him. There was no racism, it is just another excuse to kill people. The girlfriend sounds like a gutless, no name, who just wants to excuse this passive person, with a charge of racism on the rest of society. Even the democrats in congress the won't support Charlie Rangel or Maxine Waters are being called racist. The cry of racism seems to be the fall back position of every AA accused of a crime or ethics violation. This would have happened to me if I were white.

My question still is why steal beer, if you don't drink?
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Think about this for a minute.

What would be the coverage if....


A DRIVER for the Beer company, a cousin of the owner's wife, was caught twice on Video stealing Beer - and they didn't fire him. This Stealing Beer Driver then plows into a family in a Big Beer Truck, plows into someone the media adores, someone with the character of say, Mr. Omar Thornton.

What would the media coverage be of that Driver? What would their take be on the guns then? What would their take be on the defaulted loans? What would their take be on a strong attachment to his Mother and playing video games with 13 year olds? What would be their attitude to the company that let the Driver take out all that Beer in a 12,000 lb truck?


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He had to have been stealing a lot for a long time for the company to have hired an investigator and for them to have gone to all the trouble of setting up videotape to catch him, IMHO. A bottle here or there would not have aroused that kind of operation. Also, who comes to work with three guns (two in their lunch pail and a shot gun in the car) unless one was planning on doing something. If he was so upset with supervisors who did nothings, why were the majority of the people he killed other drivers? Why isn't the media investigating the fact that he targeted all whites (if it had been a white who had killed all blacks there would be all kinds of racist allegations about the white killer yet here we have a black who killed all whites and somehow HE is the victim).
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He was steeling (hahaha just kiddin BOB) stealing the beer to sell for money. He thought he should have been making more money because of his color. A couple of blacks and all them whites.... I should be making more money. So, they are racists since they ain't paying me right. I bet his girlfriend is pretty high maintenance and he couldn't afford her. Depressed over I should be making more money to afford my gurlfirend. Everyday, these whities are axing me about my gurlfriend, them racists know I cant afford her. They know I need mo money. I need to steel (oops) steal more beer.
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Kbp is right, I think.

The media and the culture sets people up to have these feelings, and to encourage it.

I note Shirely Sherrod mentioning, as she told the story of her heroic efforts, that - and you know a white man was ready to snap that land up, to the gasps of the crowd - and then you have the media here portraying this laid-back soul and valiant person that tried so hard but is hounded by creditors and can't get ahead to his dying day. You have a nasty stereotype of mean, rich (white) people.

Not only are people being told your life is bad - but it's because of that guy right there.

What connection do the dead or traumatized people at the beer factory have to do with creditors calling this man?

It's the narrative of the man holding you down. Someone can only take so much, so the story goes.

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Kbp is right, I think.

The media and the culture sets people up to have these feelings, and to encourage it.

I note Shirely Sherrod mentioning, as she told the story of her heroic efforts, that - and you know a white man was ready to snap that land up, to the gasps of the crowd - and then you have the media here portraying this laid-back soul and valiant person that tried so hard but is hounded by creditors and can't get ahead to his dying day. You have a nasty stereotype of mean, rich (white) people.

Not only are people being told your life is bad - but it's because of that guy right there.

What connection do the dead or traumatized people at the beer factory have to do with creditors calling this man?

It's the narrative of the man holding you down. Someone can only take so much, so the story goes.

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I think you have correctly analyzed the situation. Omar was a union member. If he had any complaint, he would have and should have contacted his union rep. There is no record of his having done so. All we have is the say so of his girlfriend. There is no proof other than some grainy recording of what Omar taped (while in the toilet stall) of someone else supposedly saying to another while "doing his business". Now while I think anyone who uses a racial slur displays a ignorance and a decided paucity in his/her vocabulary, I do not believe that in and of itself that indicates racism. (How many blacks, for instance, use the term Cracker - including Black leaders - yet there is no charge of racism levelled).

Omar was presented with evidence of his thievery and he knew that he was going to be called on the carpet. It was his intention (given the deliberate packing of his guns in the car and lunchbox) that he intended mayhem as his answer to said charges and firing. If there is any racism at all, it is that his victims were all white - dare I suggest that they were specifically targeted because they were white males?
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Here is a news story about that racist owner of that beer distribution company.

http://www.courant.com/community/manchester/hc-connecticut-shooting-hollander--0820100805,0,5518555.story

Hartford Distributors President Remembers Those Who Died; Rejects Killer's Claims of Racism
Hollander Fought To Improve Bloomfield Schools for Black Students

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Some of the men who worked side-by-side with those who died Tuesday remembered them as good men and rejected the comments by Thornton and his friends and relatives claiming racism.

"I just want it to be known, it's not like that," said David Zylberman, 54, of Vernon, who has worked 34 years at Hartford Distributors, and saw Thornton open fire. "They are very good people."

"It's growing into something that's not really there," added Mike Pletscher, 57, of Bristol, another longtime employee. He said the claims of racism at Hartford Distributors are simply false. "There's nothing to it," he said.

He said he thinks Thornton may have felt mistreated because he was the lowest driver in seniority. "He didn't understand the system," Pletscher said. "He thought he was being picked on. When you're at the bottom you get the [expletive] jobs."

Union officials said this week that Thornton, who initially worked in the warehouse, complained to the union about not getting a driver job. Union officials explained to him that jobs were filled by seniority and that when his time came and a slot was open, he'd get a driver job, said Chris Roos, Teamsters Local 1035's secretary treasurer. And when a driver slot opened up about a year ago, Thornton got the job, he said.

As to Thornton's claims, Hollander said, "I can state unequivocally that no such claim has ever been brought to the attention of this company."

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Hollander said Thornton was "embraced as a member of our team and judged purely on the merits of his work performance." But when the company received information that Thornton was stealing, it conducted a fair and thorough investigation which provided conclusive evidence that Omar Thornton was systematically stealing [beer] from the company and selling to third parties. It was this conduct that led to the disciplinary proceeding on Tuesday morning."

Hollander has a record of standing up against racism.

"Zero tolerance for that stuff," Richard Turner of Enfield, a Hartford Distributors retiree, said Thursday at the union hall.

In one example, in 2006 Hollander and two other men sued the town of Bloomfield, where Hollander lives, after the town attorney ruled that a referendum vote authorizing the expenditure of $94 million to improve the town's schools was invalid. Hollander also fought to gain passage of the referendum for school improvements.

"The current student population in the Bloomfield public schools is 88 percent African American, six percent white and six percent other minority," the lawsuit states. "Given that African American children in this country have historically been educated in substandard facilities, the May 23, 2006, referendum seeks to give children who traditionally have not had access to the same educational facilities as their suburban counterparts. Bloomfield has the opportunity to reverse this traditional disadvantage by enacting the referendum as passed, as it would provide for modern facilities now enjoyed by its suburban counterparts."

Bloomfield schools, Hollander and the others argued, "lack the infrastructure necessary to allow students access to modern educational technology, damaging students' chances of attaining those skills necessary to compete in a modern technological workplace."

A U.S. District Court judge in Bridgeport ruled that the town attorney's ruling was faulty and reinstated the referendum results.

"These buildings are not capable of preparing our kids for the 21st century," Hollander said after the court victory. "I hope the town fathers see this as an opportunity to step forward and do what they needed to do."
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Aug 6 2010, 07:28 AM
Here is a news story about that racist owner of that beer distribution company.

http://www.courant.com/community/manchester/hc-connecticut-shooting-hollander--0820100805,0,5518555.story

Hartford Distributors President Remembers Those Who Died; Rejects Killer's Claims of Racism
Hollander Fought To Improve Bloomfield Schools for Black Students

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Some of the men who worked side-by-side with those who died Tuesday remembered them as good men and rejected the comments by Thornton and his friends and relatives claiming racism.

"I just want it to be known, it's not like that," said David Zylberman, 54, of Vernon, who has worked 34 years at Hartford Distributors, and saw Thornton open fire. "They are very good people."

"It's growing into something that's not really there," added Mike Pletscher, 57, of Bristol, another longtime employee. He said the claims of racism at Hartford Distributors are simply false. "There's nothing to it," he said.

He said he thinks Thornton may have felt mistreated because he was the lowest driver in seniority. "He didn't understand the system," Pletscher said. "He thought he was being picked on. When you're at the bottom you get the [expletive] jobs."

Union officials said this week that Thornton, who initially worked in the warehouse, complained to the union about not getting a driver job. Union officials explained to him that jobs were filled by seniority and that when his time came and a slot was open, he'd get a driver job, said Chris Roos, Teamsters Local 1035's secretary treasurer. And when a driver slot opened up about a year ago, Thornton got the job, he said.

As to Thornton's claims, Hollander said, "I can state unequivocally that no such claim has ever been brought to the attention of this company."

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Hollander said Thornton was "embraced as a member of our team and judged purely on the merits of his work performance." But when the company received information that Thornton was stealing, it conducted a fair and thorough investigation which provided conclusive evidence that Omar Thornton was systematically stealing [beer] from the company and selling to third parties. It was this conduct that led to the disciplinary proceeding on Tuesday morning."

Hollander has a record of standing up against racism.

"Zero tolerance for that stuff," Richard Turner of Enfield, a Hartford Distributors retiree, said Thursday at the union hall.

In one example, in 2006 Hollander and two other men sued the town of Bloomfield, where Hollander lives, after the town attorney ruled that a referendum vote authorizing the expenditure of $94 million to improve the town's schools was invalid. Hollander also fought to gain passage of the referendum for school improvements.

"The current student population in the Bloomfield public schools is 88 percent African American, six percent white and six percent other minority," the lawsuit states. "Given that African American children in this country have historically been educated in substandard facilities, the May 23, 2006, referendum seeks to give children who traditionally have not had access to the same educational facilities as their suburban counterparts. Bloomfield has the opportunity to reverse this traditional disadvantage by enacting the referendum as passed, as it would provide for modern facilities now enjoyed by its suburban counterparts."

Bloomfield schools, Hollander and the others argued, "lack the infrastructure necessary to allow students access to modern educational technology, damaging students' chances of attaining those skills necessary to compete in a modern technological workplace."

A U.S. District Court judge in Bridgeport ruled that the town attorney's ruling was faulty and reinstated the referendum results.

"These buildings are not capable of preparing our kids for the 21st century," Hollander said after the court victory. "I hope the town fathers see this as an opportunity to step forward and do what they needed to do."
Don't look for this to get much play in the msm - it does not fit the metanarrative that has been decreed for this story.
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It is getting play. The Courant is Connecticuts largest newspaper.
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Pat Gray from the Glenn Beck show blamed MSNBC for the shooting. Their reasoning is that MSNBC is always talking about race, from Chris Mathews to Keith Olberman and how we need to have discussions on race. The same way that MSNBC goes after Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh for the idiots that shoot people, because they suppor the 2nd amendment. Think about it, MSNBC frequently talks about race and race relations. Why don't these moron at MSNBC talk to Morgan Freeman on race, because he doesn't fit the metanarrative of these radicals at MSNBC. Here that that interview from 60 minutes again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ
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Police arrest woman they say accepted beer from Connecticut shooter

..The company said it hired a private investigator to follow and videotape Thornton for several weeks after it was suspected he was stealing from his truck, according to CNN Hartford affiliate WFSB...

http://us.cnn.com/2010/US/08/06/connecticut.shootings.arrest/index.html

I guess he was selling Beer directly from his Beer Truck on his rounds. Sort of an Ice Cream Man for Adults.

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Beer warehouse shooter long complained of racism

By JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN (AP) – 4 hours ago
NEW HAVEN, Conn. — The man who told a 911 dispatcher that he was avenging racism with a deadly shooting rampage where he worked had long complained to friends of bias against him.

Those closest to Omar Thornton say he was excited two years ago to land a good-paying job at Hartford Distributors in Manchester, where he worked as a union driver.

But friends say that Thornton, who was black, seethed with a sense of racial injustice. He went on a killing spree Tuesday, moments after he was forced to resign when confronted with video evidence he had been stealing and selling beer. He fatally shot eight co-workers and himself and wounded two others.

The company and union say Thornton never made a formal complaint and deny any racism claim.

His former girlfriend says Thornton frequently complained in past jobs of not being accepted.


He has only worked there 2 years, received a promotion to driver, was unhappy for NOT receiving it sooner, and his girlfriend says he complained at other jobs.

This guy sounds a bit unhappy with his himself, or used to be I should say.
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Why would anyone believe a man who killed eight people after he had just been confronted with a video he was selling beer from his employer's beer truck?

He was fired. He knew he was caught and he wouldn't be finding a new truck driving job EVER! No one would hire him after he was selling cargo.

He was one evil man, not because I knew him, but because of eight innocent people he killed and the terrible carnage he inflicted on so many families long into the future.
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