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Catholic Church takes action against Fake Pfleger!; Masquerading Hate Man
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Tidbits	Jun 4 2008, 12:55 AM Post #16
Posts: 5,242 Group: Tier1 Member #141 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	http://a.saintsabina.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-pfleger_leavejun04,0,4454397.story http://www.chicagotribune.com/video/?slug=chi-080603pfleger-wn Some interesting stuff on the video. http://www.chicagotribune.com/video/?slug=chi-080603pfleger-support-wn http://www.chicagotribune.com/video/?slug=chi-080529-obama-pfleger-wgn-wn http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/985091,pfleger060308.article http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/985091,pfleger060308.article http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/983975,CST-NWS-fals03.article http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/982353,CST-NWS-priest02.article



Tidbits	Jun 4 2008, 12:59 AM Post #17
Posts: 5,242 Group: Tier1 Member #141 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	Frequently, including after the Press Club Wright speech, Phleger was the one talking by phone to Obama. Was that a sign of Obama's concept of diversity?



Tidbits	Jun 4 2008, 01:01 AM Post #18
Posts: 5,242 Group: Tier1 Member #141 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	The "extended cut" of the sermon is more of the extreme thoughts.



Tidbits	Jun 4 2008, 01:20 AM Post #19
Posts: 5,242 Group: Tier1 Member #141 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/983975,CST-NWS-fals03.article Quote: All that is well and good, but how, as a friend and passionate supporter of Obama's campaign for president, could he do what he did, with cameras rolling? Pfleger's short answer? He didn't think the service and his "conversation" -- a more casual address than a classic sermon, he explained -- were being broadcast live online, as Trinity often does. "They told me it was down," Pfleger said. "Their live streaming had been down all day, and they didn't know whether it was back up. . . . I regret the dramatization that I was naive enough to believe was just going to be kept among that church."



Tidbits	Jun 4 2008, 01:29 AM Post #20
Posts: 5,242 Group: Tier1 Member #141 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	Quote: I guess he is trying to build attention for his regular service. One thing that should be clear. Obama's opponents have no reason to threaten Pfleger. In fact most of them would probably like to get some more YouTube material from him. I think it is more likely that some of Obama's supporters wish he would shut up. But, you would never have guessed that from the reaction he got at Trinity last Sunday. In fact, it was probably that reaction more than Pfleger's sermon that persuaded Obama he could not be associated with his old congregation. http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/blogentries/index.html?bbPostId=B4jhSTW4PgUEBBhg3Bli3T1tCz8ShkmdCrwqRBCBHLtodGlsA&bbParentWidgetId=B8XscaNGcc9qz4i1oSqmw36f



Deleted User	Jun 4 2008, 03:07 AM Post #21
Deleted User	Texas Mom Jun 3 2008, 10:07 PM retiredLEO Jun 3 2008, 09:45 PM TexMom, I cant believe that you are that Naive. I had a black friend that I used to hang out with in a bar, he was a computer programer. The bartender was great and that is probably what attracted us to that establishment. I met him there on day to exchange some software and the female bartender was gone and was told she moved to another bar. I, told my friend, let's go there, it was only the next town away. He said to me "In case you haven't noticed, I'm black". I told him I did notice that, then he told me you can't go to that community if you are black. I reflected a bit and realized he was telling the truth. This is America and it is happening. All of are major cities are broken down by race and ethnisity, example Philadelphia has a China Town, great chinese food, but all the other races live in different part of the city. Haven't you ever visited Dallas or Houston? I was in ElPaso, TX, went to a McDonalds and most if not all the employees couldn't speak English, but Spanish. I just don't think that Barack Obama can solve this, he is in a church that reverses the problem. I have vivid memories of this racism on both sides. I remember a fried of mine trying to buy a 6 pack of beer in a black community, he was told he would not be served, this has always been a two way street, Obama cannot fix that, only the American people can. Perhaps I am naive, Leo. I am from Houston. Perhaps, my experiences are different from yours. I still contend that Obama has set race relations back decades and he has shown the dark underbelly of the victim culture of the liberal left. Do you guys realize what you write sometimes? Obama is going to move race relations back decades? Which decades are you talking about?
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Jezebelle	Jun 4 2008, 06:00 AM Post #22
Posts: 2,554 Group: Members Member #137 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	Texas Mom Jun 3 2008, 10:07 PM retiredLEO Jun 3 2008, 09:45 PM TexMom, I cant believe that you are that Naive. I had a black friend that I used to hang out with in a bar, he was a computer programer. The bartender was great and that is probably what attracted us to that establishment. I met him there on day to exchange some software and the female bartender was gone and was told she moved to another bar. I, told my friend, let's go there, it was only the next town away. He said to me "In case you haven't noticed, I'm black". I told him I did notice that, then he told me you can't go to that community if you are black. I reflected a bit and realized he was telling the truth. This is America and it is happening. All of are major cities are broken down by race and ethnisity, example Philadelphia has a China Town, great chinese food, but all the other races live in different part of the city. Haven't you ever visited Dallas or Houston? I was in ElPaso, TX, went to a McDonalds and most if not all the employees couldn't speak English, but Spanish. I just don't think that Barack Obama can solve this, he is in a church that reverses the problem. I have vivid memories of this racism on both sides. I remember a fried of mine trying to buy a 6 pack of beer in a black community, he was told he would not be served, this has always been a two way street, Obama cannot fix that, only the American people can. Perhaps I am naive, Leo. I am from Houston. Perhaps, my experiences are different from yours. I still contend that Obama has set race relations back decades and he has shown the dark underbelly of the victim culture of the liberal left. I think Obama has advanced race relations. That doesn't necessarily mean harmonious race relations, but they've certainly been advanced. Until Obama's candidacy, a relatively small number of white Americans had a clue as to how deeply white hatred is ingrained in a large segment of the clack American population. The tremendously high ratio of black-on-white crime should be a clue, but unless one is really paying attention or is confronted by it in either their professional or private life, they're just not going to know it because both the media and the government hide those facts and statistics. Now every sentient person knows what's really going on in the minds of many ordinary, working black Americans. These attitudes and thinking exist well beyond the ghetto. So the fallout from Obama's candidacy has been a real eye-opener for white Americans who now come at the issues of race from a very different perspective than they had less than a year ago.



Texas Mom	Jun 4 2008, 08:13 AM Post #23
Posts: 1,830 Group: Tier1 Member #181 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	Jezebelle Jun 4 2008, 06:00 AM Texas Mom Jun 3 2008, 10:07 PM retiredLEO Jun 3 2008, 09:45 PM TexMom, I cant believe that you are that Naive. I had a black friend that I used to hang out with in a bar, he was a computer programer. The bartender was great and that is probably what attracted us to that establishment. I met him there on day to exchange some software and the female bartender was gone and was told she moved to another bar. I, told my friend, let's go there, it was only the next town away. He said to me "In case you haven't noticed, I'm black". I told him I did notice that, then he told me you can't go to that community if you are black. I reflected a bit and realized he was telling the truth. This is America and it is happening. All of are major cities are broken down by race and ethnisity, example Philadelphia has a China Town, great chinese food, but all the other races live in different part of the city. Haven't you ever visited Dallas or Houston? I was in ElPaso, TX, went to a McDonalds and most if not all the employees couldn't speak English, but Spanish. I just don't think that Barack Obama can solve this, he is in a church that reverses the problem. I have vivid memories of this racism on both sides. I remember a fried of mine trying to buy a 6 pack of beer in a black community, he was told he would not be served, this has always been a two way street, Obama cannot fix that, only the American people can. Perhaps I am naive, Leo. I am from Houston. Perhaps, my experiences are different from yours. I still contend that Obama has set race relations back decades and he has shown the dark underbelly of the victim culture of the liberal left. I think Obama has advanced race relations. That doesn't necessarily mean harmonious race relations, but they've certainly been advanced. Until Obama's candidacy, a relatively small number of white Americans had a clue as to how deeply white hatred is ingrained in a large segment of the clack American population. The tremendously high ratio of black-on-white crime should be a clue, but unless one is really paying attention or is confronted by it in either their professional or private life, they're just not going to know it because both the media and the government hide those facts and statistics. Now every sentient person knows what's really going on in the minds of many ordinary, working black Americans. These attitudes and thinking exist well beyond the ghetto. So the fallout from Obama's candidacy has been a real eye-opener for white Americans who now come at the issues of race from a very different perspective than they had less than a year ago. Jez has hit the nail on the head for me. My experiences with black people has been uniformly good throughout my lifetime- and I've lived over a half century. I never knew I was hated- I know now. You may think I'm naive; you may think I'm stupid- fine. I actually believe in the notion of judging someone by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. Posted on another thread, but relevant here. Juan Williams was really angry when he and Chris Wallace were talking. All I could think was, "Why don't you and Colin Powell and Thomas Sowell and Bill Cosby and Michael Steel and Kirbyjon Caldwell and Bob Johnson and others start standing up and demanding that black leaders stop the fear mongering- it is long past time. But, then, how would the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons and Jermiah Wrights become RICH? Would Cash Michaels and Reverend Barber be able to even make a living if they didn't engage in race pandering? I doubt it. Yes, it's true, "Follow the money!" From yesterday on Fox: CHRIS WALLACE: Any worse pandering than Rev. Wright? JUAN WILLIAMS: No, no. I think these guys are the worst of this, kind of, TV evangelists who go after people in terms of their weaknesses, and for a black audience on the south side of Chicago – people who are struggling to make a living, people who don’t understand sometime the larger social forces that are evident in their lives – these guys come in and take their money by playing to their worst fears and attitudes and racial biases. That’s a different conversation, Chris, but it does not play with a candidate who says, “I’m about racial unity” which is what Barack Obama, who started out as the candidate of white, young Americans – it doesn’t play for that candidate. And it’s one of the reasons that I think we’ve seen an increasing number of people in the polls saying, “We’re not sure about this guy. We feel we know him less today than we did back in March.” CHRIS WALLACE: We only have about thirty seconds left and [speaking to Byron York:] Byron, we’ll get to you next time but this is very interesting. [Speaking to Juan Williams:] Is this something that he can turn around? He’s quit the church. Is it something he can turn around? We’re got a long time … we’ve got five months until the election. JUAN WILLIAMS: The problem with turning it around is that he had twenty years in the church. So he’s got to argue, “You know what, I really am not of the Father Pfleger’s and the Rev. Wright’s, despite the fact that I was there for so long and found it convenient – or politically expedient, for a not very generous perspective – to say I was in that church. Now, how does he turn it around? He’s got to make a display but can he sell it this time? Because rational people are going to say, “This is the guy that I saw for twenty years and this is where he was. Why should I buy this new image when this is the reality that existed for so long?” Edited by Texas Mom, Jun 4 2008, 08:25 AM.



Greg	Jun 4 2008, 08:58 AM Post #24
Posts: 1,038 Group: Tier1 Member #273 Joined: Apr 30, 2008	Duke 84 Jun 4 2008, 03:07 AM Do you guys realize what you write sometimes? Obama is going to move race relations back decades? Which decades are you talking about? Well, D84, suffice it to say he's certainly not post-racial anymore. That moves him back. Remember when a unanimity of black Obama supporters in South Carolina were trying to convince everyone that "race doesn't matter"? It clearly mattered. To them.



Baldo	Jun 4 2008, 09:17 AM Post #25
Posts: 8,472 Group: Tier2 Member #45 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	Rev Pfleger's access to power than bothers me. He won't change his views and I don't think the Catholic Hierarchy will really rein him in much. They can't. He will quiet down for a while but the reality is the power structure is overestimated in the Catholic Church. Parish priests have more independence than one thinks. Just watch how the Bishops handled the pedophile problem. I don't for one minute think priests in the Catholic Church are anywhere close to the image of being pedophiles. Statistically pedophilia is less in Priests than in the general public. Bishops fumbled and stumbled with this scandal. I am sure part of was embarrassment, not wanting to be sued, covering their butss, but in my opinion it was the failure to judge another's actions and take a strong stand. Why didn't they just remove these priests long ago? Boy have they paid a price for that inaction.



Texas Mom	Jun 4 2008, 09:21 AM Post #26
Posts: 1,830 Group: Tier1 Member #181 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	Baldo Jun 4 2008, 09:17 AM Rev Pfleger's access to power than bothers me. He won't change his views and I don't think the Catholic Hierarchy will really rein him in much. They can't. He will quiet down for a while but the reality is the power structure is overestimated in the Catholic Church. Parish priests have more independence than one thinks. Just watch how the Bishops handled the pedophile problem. I don't for one minute think priests in the Catholic Church are anywhere close to the image of being pedophiles. Statistically pedophilia is less in Priests than in the general public. Bishops fumbled and stumbled with this scandal. I am sure part of was embarrassment, not wanting to be sued, covering their butss, but in my opinion it was the failure to judge another's actions and take a strong stand. Why didn't they just remove these priests long ago? Boy have they paid a price for that inaction. We always seem to forget, "You must stand for something, or you will fall for anything!"



genny6348	Jun 4 2008, 09:33 AM Post #27
Genny6348 Posts: 1,207 Group: Tier1 Member #31 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	Duke 84 Jun 4 2008, 03:07 AM Texas Mom Jun 3 2008, 10:07 PM retiredLEO Jun 3 2008, 09:45 PM TexMom, I cant believe that you are that Naive. I had a black friend that I used to hang out with in a bar, he was a computer programer. The bartender was great and that is probably what attracted us to that establishment. I met him there on day to exchange some software and the female bartender was gone and was told she moved to another bar. I, told my friend, let's go there, it was only the next town away. He said to me "In case you haven't noticed, I'm black". I told him I did notice that, then he told me you can't go to that community if you are black. I reflected a bit and realized he was telling the truth. This is America and it is happening. All of are major cities are broken down by race and ethnisity, example Philadelphia has a China Town, great chinese food, but all the other races live in different part of the city. Haven't you ever visited Dallas or Houston? I was in ElPaso, TX, went to a McDonalds and most if not all the employees couldn't speak English, but Spanish. I just don't think that Barack Obama can solve this, he is in a church that reverses the problem. I have vivid memories of this racism on both sides. I remember a fried of mine trying to buy a 6 pack of beer in a black community, he was told he would not be served, this has always been a two way street, Obama cannot fix that, only the American people can. Perhaps I am naive, LEO I am from Houston. Perhaps, my experiences are different from yours. I still contend that Obama has set race relations back decades and he has shown the dark underbelly of the victim culture of the liberal left. Do you guys realize what you write sometimes? Obama is going to move race relations back decades? Which decades are you talking about? I have been know to be naive on some issues, maybe even oblivious, as I tend to hyper-focus on the task at hand. But on this issue I think I can say it was not all that obvious. I worked for years with peace and diversity activists. I was involved in organizing international conferences where I worked closely with many colors of people, especially AA's. I never once saw anything that would indicate the level of racial hatred toward whites I've seen in this campaign; even when the content of conference sessions and panels was in fact reparations. It saddens me now to question what may be people's true feelings. But, there are many many people out there of all colors who are trying their best to move past the biases of the past in an effort to solve common problems together. Perhaps revealing the depth and breadth of black liberation theology, more AA's will speak up loudly against its divisiveness. It is certainly out there and on the table for discussion now. That is a good thing. Edited by genny6348, Jun 4 2008, 09:38 AM.



Baldo	Jun 4 2008, 10:14 AM Post #28
Posts: 8,472 Group: Tier2 Member #45 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	genny6348 Jun 4 2008, 09:33 AM I have been know to be naive on some issues, maybe even oblivious, as I tend to hyper-focus on the task at hand. But on this issue I think I can say it was not all that obvious. I worked for years with peace and diversity activists. I was involved in organizing international conferences where I worked closely with many colors of people, especially AA's. I never once saw anything that would indicate the level of racial hatred toward whites I've seen in this campaign; even when the content of conference sessions and panels was in fact reparations. It saddens me now to question what may be people's true feelings. But, there are many many people out there of all colors who are trying their best to move past the biases of the past in an effort to solve common problems together. Perhaps revealing the depth and breadth of black liberation theology, more AA's will speak up loudly against its divisiveness. It is certainly out there and on the table for discussion now. That is a good thing. yep! Is the ideology of Black Liberation a hidden agenda among some? That is the question. No doubt it was made a part of this campaign by Wright, Pfeger, and Obama's participation in that Church. There is good reason to believe that those in Durham's activist community and on campus with the 88 have similiar beliefs. I think it is good we are looking at it. However it's a topic that we will be attack for examining. An MSNBC commenter today remarked Obama's strategy was based on creating a coalition of Progressives and AAs in key states. It is Strangely familar with Durham's power structure. It worked.



Deleted User	Jun 4 2008, 05:00 PM Post #29
Deleted User	Soobs Jun 3 2008, 07:34 PM It's about time. I can't believe that the move is "temporary." It will be intersting to see if he is actually returned to the parish. Yes, but will the diocese of NC get rid of Fr.Vetter..He is as bad as this guy and maybe worse as he tried to hang his own people..... We need to make usre that he is sent to Africa, and spends the rest of his "religious life in the Jungle....
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Deleted User	Jun 4 2008, 05:59 PM Post #30
Deleted User	Michael Jun 4 2008, 05:00 PM Soobs Jun 3 2008, 07:34 PM It's about time. I can't believe that the move is "temporary." It will be intersting to see if he is actually returned to the parish. Yes, but will the diocese of NC get rid of Fr.Vetter..He is as bad as this guy and maybe worse as he tried to hang his own people..... We need to make usre that he is sent to Africa, and spends the rest of his "religious life in the Jungle.... Father Pfleger is one of the reasons catholics are leaving the church, the church just hasn't figured that out yet. He will be back when the story is put to rest. First it was pedophile priest, now it is racist priest and what does the Pope do, he ignores it and hope the situation will go away. I was raised a catholic, but quit and joined my wife's chruch.
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