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What Obama may really be planning with healthcare bill
Topic Started: Mar 4 2010, 08:49 PM (337 Views)
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Obama could just sign the bill outright...if the house passes the Senate bill, Obama can sign it, No need for reconciliation. There is nothing to stop Obama from signing it.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025741.php

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As the end game of the health care legislative war begins, a major Republican talking point has emerged. It's a point directed not to the American public, but to House Democrats.

The point is this: although the White House promises to fix the Senate bill if/when the House passes it, there is no guarantee that the fix will occur. And if it doesn't, Obama will be able to sign the Senate bill, which so many House Democrats find highly distasteful, into law.

Why isn't a fix guaranteed, given that "reconciliation" requires only a simple majority? For one thing, the president and the Senate may be happy enough with the Senate bill. What reason is there to believe that, for example, they will want to toughen restrictions on abortion funding (even assuming that this kind of fix can be accomplished through reconciliation)?

For another thing, the Republicans may be able, through legislative maneuvering, to block the passage of a revised bill. This is what Senator Graham, appearing last night on cable news, was saying Republicans would do.

Perhaps the most likely scenario through which the Senate bill becomes law involves a combination of the first two scenarios. Obama will not want to be seen as stabbing House Democrats in the back, so I would expect him to push for reconciliation. However, after the Republicans obstruct the process for a while, he and the Senate Dems can throw up their hands, blame the Republicans, sign the Senate bill, and promise to revisit it next year.

This prospect should give great pause to House members who are uncomfortable with the Senate bill (Cornhusker Kickback and all), whether for substantive reasons, political reasons, or both. Republicans certainly hope it will.
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http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/04/obama-comforts-house-liberals-dont-worry-this-bill-is-just-the-beginning-of-what-well-do-with-health-care/

Obama intends to do much more...
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Rahm is on his way out, Jarret and Axlerod holding Obamas hand !


Rahm Emanuel Is Dead. He Just Hasn’t Been Told Yet.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/03/04/rahm-emanuel-is-dead-he-just-hasnt-been-told-yet/


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But the stories are right. The wheels are falling off the bus. Without a good knowledge of Washington, the Chicago Way fails in the inertia. Let’s start the Official Rahm Emanuel Dead Pool. We know Valerie Jarrett already killed him. But his body has yet to emerge from the White House.

It’s only a matter of time. And it’ll happen before summer

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Obama can't sign any bill until both the Senate & Democratic Bills are exactly the same. Only then can he sign it into law.

Normally this is done in a House Senate Conference where the differences are worked out & the House & Senate then votes to approve the new version.

They can't do that or they would have done it before Scott Brown won. There was no compromise possible between Democrats. They never had the Democratic votes.

So either

1) The House has to vote and approved the exact Senate Bill
2) The Senate has to vote and approve the exact House Bill.

The House Bill barely passed with just a few votes. It is doubtful the Senate Bill could pass in the House now.

The Senate can now be filibustered assuming all the Republicans stay together.

So it is the Senate where a process call reconciliation will be attempted. It is designed for budgetary items so that a simple majority can pass a budget bill. It is not in the Senate rules to pass any bill that contains policy decisions. The Heath-care Bill is filled with Policy Decisions. All of those have to be stripped out of the bill.

IMHO Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are risking our system on a Bill the voters have clearly decided against. There only solution is to change the Senate rules. What needs to be confronted is that if the Democrats just vote on a majority in the Senate they will break tradition, Senate Rules, and open the door to chaos. What happens when the Democrats become the minority party with a different President? The Filibuster was inserted to prevent a simple majority rule and reach a consenous to govern from the center.

Obama appears to have chosen chaos. We might be heading to a Constitutional crisis.
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The purpose of the reconciliation talk, and the promises to fix the Senate bill, is to get the House to vote for the Senate bill. If this ruse works, then Obama can simply sign the result into law, as both houses will have passed the same bill.

The goal is to get the House to pass the Senate bill as is, with the promise that it will be fixed afterwards via a reconciliation bill. At that point, Obama can sign and it's a done deal and there will be no reconciliation.
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Beware the ides of March...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/04/gibbs-house-will-pass-sen_n_486031.html



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The Obama administration predicted on Thursday that the House of Representatives will pass the Senate's health care bill by the time the president travels to Asia on March 18.

"The president leaves for Indonesia and Australia on March 18," said White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs. "And we believe and I believe that, based on conversations I've had in the building, that we are on schedule to get this through the House by then."

This does not mean that health care reform will be signed into law before the president goes overseas. The House still has to pass reconciliation fixes to the bill, which the Senate would then vote upon shortly thereafter. That could conceivably take place while Obama is away.

But based on conversations with members of his legislative team, who in turn have been in touch with Senate and House Democratic leadership, Gibbs declared: "We believe we are on schedule to get all this done.'

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Mar 5 2010, 12:04 AM
The purpose of the reconciliation talk, and the promises to fix the Senate bill, is to get the House to vote for the Senate bill. If this ruse works, then Obama can simply sign the result into law, as both houses will have passed the same bill.

The goal is to get the House to pass the Senate bill as is, with the promise that it will be fixed afterwards via a reconciliation bill. At that point, Obama can sign and it's a done deal and there will be no reconciliation.
IMHO It won't worked. You have to be a complete idiot as a House Democrat to vote for it unless you are in a completely safe district. Taking a punctured life vest from Obama isn't reassuring.

But then again, a complete idiot?
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Democrat Lemmings soon to be extinct similar to the Dodo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming

It would seem that Valerie Jarret and Axlerod are the driving force in the WH and behind Obama; they sure know the Chicago Communist way!
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DANGER WILL ROBINSON!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul

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WASHINGTON – Support from his own party in doubt, President Barack Obama summoned more than a dozen House Democrats to the White House Thursday, pleading with them to put aside their qualms, seize a historic moment and vote for his massive health care overhaul.

It's the opportunity of a generation, he told them — and a chance to revive the party's agenda after his rough first year in office.

In back-to-back meetings in the Oval Office and Roosevelt Room, Obama urged uneasy rank-and-file moderates and progressives to focus on the positives rather than their deep disappointment with parts of the bill. The lawmakers said Obama assured them the legislation was merely the first step, and he promised to work with them in the future to improve its provisions.

"The president very pointedly talked about how important this is historically," said Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz., "how he needs our help." Obama told them that "'this is an opportunity, it'll give us momentum'" on other issues, the congressman said.
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He cares more about himself than our country.

Everyone I know wants Health-care reform, but a minority of voters want this bill. What is so hard for him to understand?
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Only the House vote matters


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025745.php

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Everyone knows the substance of the Senate Obamacare bill is a bloody outrage. It is a naked expression of the Progressive will to power running from the nationalization of health care to the phony accounting, the real tax and price increases, and the massive expansion of bureaucratic intrusion it will accomplish. It places us squarely on the road to serfdom.

It's easy to get lost in the procedural maneuvering behind Obamacare. At NRO Jeffrey Anderson provides this elementary instruction:

If the House goes first, as now appears to be the plan, and passes the Senate health-care overhaul, the president would then have a bill in hand that had passed both houses of Congress, and -- whether reconciliation subsequently succeeded or failed in the Senate -- we would have Obamacare.

Reconciliation would then be like the exhibition ice skating in the Olympics after the medals have been awarded: interesting to some, but wholly irrelevant to anything that really matters.

The attention is on the Senate, but the battle is in the House. It's time for Americans from coast to coast to communicate their clear desires to their congressmen. If Americans don't want Obamacare -- and every indication is that they emphatically don't -- now is the time for swing-district Democrats to hear that full chorus of opposition: loudly, clearly, and forcibly.


We are, in other words, hanging by a thread. Follow Anderson's link for help in concentrating attention appropriately.

Via Rich Lowry and Repubclic.

UPDATE: Marc Thiessen explains how Nancy Pelosi will game the Stupak 12. I think the question is whether they want to be gamed.
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MSNBC spent at least 30 minutes "investigating" Stupack, asking all kinds of questions and implying criminality and deceit.

I think Stupack is getting the message - go along or you're in for a world of hurt.

Notice how these tactics are suddenly acceptable.

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