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| Carolyn says | Mar 2 2010, 04:34 AM Post #106 |
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Excuse me, why was darby's post 'deleted'? I do not like this. It can't have been offensive because Texas Mom called it 'excellent'. So why was that post deleted? |
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| Rusty Dog | Mar 2 2010, 07:36 AM Post #107 |
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I am very saddened by the turn of this thread. We are losing two fine members over a highly charged inability to listen to each other's points. Tony said it was a hoax, and it was. Joan said the invitation was offensive, and it was. (And so was the website of the guy who either wrote or inspired the invitation.) Carolyn said that the gang culture is destructive to black citizens, and it is. Everyone had a valid point to make. When the threads start to get so agitated, everyone needs to take a little time and cool off before responding. And as Baldo says, we need to look for the facts. Our perceptions of the situation may change once we know the actual events. I hope Dan and Carolyn will return whenever they are able.
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| LTC8K6 | Mar 2 2010, 07:50 AM Post #108 |
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The invitation read to me as if it were written by blacks, from the moment I first read it... It seems odd that we still don't know for sure who wrote it... It really is a shame that folks can't wait until more info comes in before jumping into the deep end of the pool. My first post in the thread, regarding the "double standard", was a reminder of how blacks can get away with racism. I was waving a red lantern, trying to get this train to stop before it went too far. I hope that no one actually leaves and that we can learn a lesson or two here. Don't assume things about what you read in the media. Don't assume that a poster is thinking a certain way. Don't assume that there is only one way to look at something. |
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| abb | Mar 2 2010, 08:14 AM Post #109 |
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No one need leave. This, too shall pass. |
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| Quasimodo | Mar 2 2010, 08:30 AM Post #110 |
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We're all passionate about things, which is why we are here; otherwise we would have permitted ourselves to be mere spectators. Once in awhile that passion is going to grate against each other--especially in slack times. But we have been doing a job that no one else is doing or going to do. If we aren't here to be a watchdog on the press; and to correct its errors; and to get the word out when news about the case develops... no one else will. (Imagine how the press is going to report on the suits, and you get the idea--"greedy players".) So our work is not done, not by any means. Some of the most difficult parts lie ahead. The same forces which brought about the hoax--unrestrained by law or any fear of federal oversight--will now work to try and prevent the full truth from coming out. And to revise the history of this event, so that it becomes a different story; a story of how PC professors were muzzled from speaking freely; of how a university president dealt with a confusing situation where the facts kept changing (and how he was put in that situation by a rowdy and swaggering team; and thus was the greatest victim of the hoax); of how a winning coach was fired because his team had been out of control for years; of how a DA with integrity decided to take the case of a poor black working woman and became himself the victim of her fraud; etc. These people have the media connections to write the story the way they want. (They did it before.) The University press office can likewise issue press releases and "shape" how accounts are written, because reporters often take press releases and just "reword" them, making the same points. Against this--the professionals, the press connections, the money, the influence in important circles (who got the NYT and Newsweek to report their slant?)-- there is only us. Our work is not done if we let the same forces that shaped the hoax vilify the players and reshape the history to suit their own ends. But who is going to contradict them? And that work needs all of us, all of our different angles of vision, with all our passions. If we did not grate on one another from time to time, if we did not have that passion, we would not be here, and we would not be worth anything (as noted, we would have been content to be merely spectators). And if we break up, we hand the other side a victory. Whenever we are diminished, even by one, we become just that must weaker, deprived of one more angle of view, just that much less capable of doing the job. “The worst reconciliation is better than the best divorce”--Cervantes |
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| Baldo | Mar 2 2010, 08:50 AM Post #111 |
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Time to stand back and quit taking shots. This thread started Feb 27 2010, 01:51 AM and we have basically found out the truth in two days. It was false information that was being spread and It took two days to sort this out. The MSM didn't help at the start. However on this forum no one was put on the cover of Newsweek, no one was vilified in the MSM, no one was arrested, and no one was calling for them to be executed in front of a courthouse. The moderator decided to give some time outs when the board was getting too overheated. No one was banned. The person behind this upset was not even on this forum. It was clearly "Jiggabojones" who to promote this event and his upcoming DVD used inflammatory racial language. That is the jerk behind this, a black shock DJ. His intention won out. What a wonderful guy! Look at the upsets that have spawned from his mouth. From UC San Diego to UC Davis the campuses are upset. It was a created event. Everything that came from it was false. It was malicious. Lighten up on each other. OK can we give it a break? And the desire for the last word! Let wisdom rule. |
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| Mason | Mar 2 2010, 09:12 AM Post #112 |
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. Darby deleted his own post.
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| chatham | Mar 2 2010, 10:44 AM Post #113 |
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As opposed to the common goals of the DUKE LAX - liestoppers side of the board the liestoppers underground side has no common focus. Some on this board saw that as a potential concern when this side was created. We will not agree about everything non LAX even though essentially all of us posters agree on the goals and the importance and the common purpose of the DUKE LAX - liestoppers side. Religion, sex, race and politics are a whole lot more emotional and opinionated than defending some innocent guys from legal abuse and a crazy story teller. MOO |
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| Mason | Mar 2 2010, 11:18 AM Post #114 |
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As a veteran of numerous boards, good luck with being able to write as freely as people do here - on many other boards. Well known conservative boards won't let you post twice about a racial topic as they are (overly) sensitive to the constant allegations of racism - or unseen racism being harbored, or whatever. Kudos to the cooler heads that waded into this thread. . |
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| darby | Mar 2 2010, 12:10 PM Post #115 |
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I did delete my own post... In light of the current tone once I re-read it after posting, I saw it as a bit petty.. I still feel the wrong people were being silenced.. I'm sure it will come in handy for another time.. It's clear to me that many on this site and in our country are not ready to discuss the issues of race in America. Not openly and honestly anyway. There are still too many people who want to believe what the media and the race pimps tell them and not what they see with their own eyes in their own neighborhoods. Ask yourselves this question... How far would can we go in personal growth without taking on the difficult issues? Hey, what about the Olympics, wasn't the hockey game cool, oh.. and that girl skater, wasn't she brave?? ahhh... We're all adults here, why do we need someone telling us what we can or can't talk about? If we do so without the personal attacks? I'm not afaid of oposing ideas, but I'm offended by those who would try to silence me because we don't agree. Are we afraid our site will be flagged as radical, right wing, racists??? Too late. I'm sick an tired of being told to "sit down, shut up and listen to me"... Or "settle down, we can't talk about that, let's wait for the facts." the university didn't wait for the facts the governor didn't wait for the facts the media didn't wait for the facts... the radical law breaking students didn't wait for the facts and look what it got them.. All of the events surrounding the "ghetto party" and the interpretations of them were just symptoms of the big pink alligator in the room, many here want us to ignore it and hope it will slither away, most of all they hope it doesn't consume them. I daresay this site wouldn't exist w/o the race issue, why hide it? Edited by darby, Mar 2 2010, 12:11 PM.
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| Deleted User | Mar 2 2010, 01:46 PM Post #116 |
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"We're all adults here, why do we need someone telling us what we can or can't talk about? If we do so without the personal attacks? I'm not afaid of oposing ideas, but I'm offended by those who would try to silence me because we don't agree." I agree with you, Darby. How many of us look at our paychecks, tax bills, and government waste and don't explode because a contingent of our society has made it their life's work to live off the largess of another group of society. We all discuss these issues privately and yet like Carolyn states, the issue is the "truth that one dares not utter" for fear of being backed into the racist corner. Several weeks ago Glenn Beck had a panel of African Americans on his program and they were essentially saying the same thing that many have posted on this thread. It was so refreshing to hear both successful men and women confront the black community and call them out on buying into victimhood. This is what we had hoped Obama would do until we saw he came out of Rev. Wright's church and realized that while successful he too wasn't interested in holding his race accountable. The problems don't go away because people stop discussing them, they actually fester and become worse. |
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| nyesq83 | Mar 2 2010, 03:07 PM Post #117 |
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All of these noose incidents are much ado about nothing. The symbol is not the thing symbolized. It seems that nooses have become more than a symbol of lynching - since how often are people lynched in the free world nowadays? Nooses have become a symbol of overreaction by people with inferiority complexes and/or a desire to lash out at the world around them and gratuitously place blame on others. This is a prime tenet of a sub-culture of false victimhood that had arisen since 1983. If these disgruntled types would spend half their 'woe-is-me' time working to improve themselves and those less fortunate, the world would instantly be a better place. Edited by nyesq83, Mar 2 2010, 03:07 PM.
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| Deleted User | Mar 2 2010, 03:13 PM Post #118 |
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"This is a prime tenet of a sub-culture of false victimhood that had arisen since 1983." Why 1983? What is the significance of this date? |
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| nyesq83 | Mar 2 2010, 03:52 PM Post #119 |
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1983 is when I graduated from Duke; I had a few black classmates in one of my courses whose parents were far wealthier than mine, and my classmates complained about how unfair life was. Ha! |
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| Deleted User | Mar 2 2010, 04:21 PM Post #120 |
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I should have put 83 together. Somehow I was thinking it was a date which signified the beginning of the numerous civil rights lawsuits appearing before the Supreme Court which expanded the Civil Rights Act of l964. I thought it was the beginning of the Age of Grievance. |
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