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Mason
Feb 27 2010, 11:48 AM
Joan,

My instinct is to poke fun and be sarcastic - but I think we can pick this conversation up later.

I don't want to fan the flames.

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Well, Tony, please allow me to post this for my own conscience. There are a lot of words of mine on this Board. I don't read every thread, and certainly not every post.

This thread has given me a great deal to think about.

But please let me emphasize...if,...in any of my blogs, posts, rants, etc over the past 4 years... I was unclear. ..let me say this straight up: it was never my intent to ask for any behavior, any temperance, any type of empathy that I didn't think the OTHER SIDE was equally entitled to from me, my family, my community and my friends.











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Fire has been covering this all week!

One of their favourite sayings is The US Constitution and Bill of Rights does not guarantee that students ( and I suppose applicable to posters here too) "have the right NOT to be offended"
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Joan Foster
Feb 27 2010, 12:29 PM
Mason
Feb 27 2010, 11:48 AM
Joan,

My instinct is to poke fun and be sarcastic - but I think we can pick this conversation up later.

I don't want to fan the flames.

.

Well, Tony, please allow me to post this for my own conscience. There are a lot of words of mine on this Board. I don't read every thread, and certainly not every post.

This thread has given me a great deal to think about.

But please let me emphasize...if,...in any of my blogs, posts, rants, etc over the past 4 years... I was unclear. ..let me say this straight up: it was never my intent to ask for any behavior, any temperance, any type of empathy that I didn't think the OTHER SIDE was equally entitled to from me, my family, my community and my friends.











I only meant to say that - it seemed like you were getting a little steamed and my style would probably only make things worse right now.


Nothing more.

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For the record, I would've stood up for 3 black kids getting railroaded in an obvious case - but we both know that TIME, the Washington Post, the L.A. Times, the NY Times, the Boston Globe, the Baltimore Sun, the Kansas City Star, the Detroit Free-Press, the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the Cleveland Plain dealer, the News and Observer, the Charlotte Observer, the Denver Post, and every investigative reporter in the country would've used their resources to best my contribution and there would be little usefulness for a private blog with the subject matter so thoroughly covered and reported.

I am keen on fairness and I seriously doubt that a white group of students could take over University offices and not face charges, much less have some of their demands met. Why was it allowed in this case, then?
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A Little common sense and decency go a long way.

Honestly I trust no version in this story.

What do I know?

Treat others as you would want to be treated.
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Joan Foster
Feb 27 2010, 09:30 AM
The double standard does not make this any less of an offensive happenstance.

The invitation is real. That's not MSM.

So what do the rest of you think should happen to the party sponsors?
Nothing we have a first amendment and a Constitution.
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Feb 27 2010, 10:21 AM
What could have and should have been done is the university Pan-Hellenic Board and its faculty advisors should have publicly denounced the party and should not have allowed it to take place.
We live in a free country, we have certain freedoms, getting out in front of this and shutting the party down might have been a good idea. Students are smarter then that, they could have moved the party to a private residence, where the school, would have no say over the students activities. If I hold a party, at my house, with a certain theme, what right does the government have to intrefere, if there is no criminal activity.

What do you say about a AA city council member in New York City, that states he would like to punch the first white guy he sees. He even admitted it on the Hannity radio show one day.
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Feb 27 2010, 07:41 AM
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-compton-cookout,0,2673438.story

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Read The Invitation To The "Compton Cook Out," As Posted On Facebook:

"February marks a very important month in American society. No, i'm not referring to Valentines day or Presidents day. I'm talking about Black History month. As a time to celebrate and in hopes of showing respect, the Regents community cordially invites you to its very first Compton Cookout.

For guys: I expect all males to be rockin Jersey's, stuntin' up in ya White T (XXXL smallest size acceptable), anything FUBU, Ecko, Rockawear, High/low top Jordans or Dunks, Chains, Jorts, stunner shades, 59 50 hats, Tats, etc.

For girls: For those of you who are unfamiliar with ghetto chicks-Ghetto chicks usually have gold teeth, start fights and drama, and wear cheap clothes - they consider Baby Phat to be high class and expensive couture. They also have short, nappy hair, and usually wear cheap weave, usually in bad colors, such as purple or bright red. They look and act similar to Shenaynay, and speak very loudly, while rolling their neck, and waving their finger in your face. Ghetto chicks have a very limited vocabulary, and attempt to make up for it, by forming new words, such as "constipulated", or simply cursing persistently, or using other types of vulgarities, and making noises, such as "hmmg!", or smacking their lips, and making other angry noises,grunts, and faces. The objective is for all you lovely ladies to look, act, and essentially take on these "respectable" qualities throughout the day.

Several of the regents condos will be teaming up to house this monstrosity, so travel house to house and experience the various elements of life in the ghetto.

We will be serving 40's, Kegs of Natty, dat Purple Drank- which consists of sugar, water, and the color purple , chicken, coolade, and of course Watermelon. So come one and come all, make ya self before we break ya self, keep strapped, get yo shine on, and join us for a day party to be remembered- or not.

People - I am not saying this to offend or make an enemy of someone but instead to state my opinion. And my opinion of the 'invitation' above is that it is NOT racist. It is vulgar and tasteless, yes - but it is not racist. What is it? Accurate.

Yes, people, those jibes listed above are accurate - they are accurate because they point out something that exists, something that is real. What is it? It's the ghetto mentality that permeates the culture of Black America. That ghetto mentality, that 'thug' mentality is the poison that non-whites 'dare not speak its name'. That ghetto mentality is sick, depraved, cruel, twisted and stupid - and as a white American I refuse to take the blame for something I did not create and which I am not perpetuating.

This ghetto mentality is what this invitation mocks - and this mentality deserves that mocking. It deserves it because the ghetto mentality is one of the most supreme evils in this country. I'm not joking when I place it on the exact level of Naziism - they are the same, an evil borne of hate and self-pity - and an evil like that destroys. It accomplishes no good; it destroys. And this evil of ghetto mentality is what this invitation is pointing out - for instance, stupidity, revealed by the fact that the stupid ones can't speak the language they were born into ("very limited vocabulary, and attempt to make up for it, by forming new words, such as "constipulated"), infantile brutality ('start fights'), filthy language ("cursing persistently, or using other types of vulgarities"), inferior social skills ("speak very loudly, while rolling their neck, and waving their finger in your face"), inability to distinguish between trash with class ("consider Baby Phat to be high class and expensive couture"), etc.

Some people will go through the roof and say that this was 'mocking' black culture - but I see it differently - this invitation was revealing it. And note I say 'revealing' it, not 'creating' it. This invitation was speaking the ugly truth - that black culture is permeated with vulgarity, filth, lewdness, laziness, stupidity, ignorance, sloth, greed and cruelty.

Now let me ask you all a question - and do not insult me by lying. Which culture is more likely to produce children with Ph.D's - the Jewish culture or the black culture? And, if you admit that the Jewish culture is, does that mean you're racist? No - it means you're observing a fact. And why is it that there are more Jews with Ph.D.'s than there are blacks? Would your argument be that it's because the Jews haven't suffered or been discriminated against as badly as the blacks? Really? Well, if you think that, than kindly let me take you by the hand and walk you into a little known place called Auschwitz or let me escort to the outcast zones of neighborhoods in Europe and Russia, etc., where Jews were expelled to (and which is where the word 'ghetto' originally comes from) and, of course, let's not forget that centuries before blacks were prevented from sitting at city lunch counters in America, Jews throughout the world weren't even allowed to enter the city itself. So tell me - why is one totally lopsided for academic excellence whereas the other is known for Ebonics? It is because of the culture. It's not because of the brains - as Booker T. Washington brilliantly proved - it's because of the culture. One promotes and demands the best - the other does not. There, I've said it. It's the culture - I've spoken it out loud.

This is the truth that 'dare not speak its name' - the truth being that the black culture is poisoning itself with its own hatred, sloth and self-pity - and it-will-not-admit-it. The hallmark of an enlightened culture is its insistence on its members taking responsibility for its own actions. This is NOT the hallmark of the ghetto culture. No way. With them, it's always someone else's fault, never theirs. In the ghetto culture, if a black man does evil - it's never his fault. If he cuts off his white wife's head and murders the waiter who tries to save her life, than it's because a racist white cop framed him with a bloody glove. Let a black man stomp a pit bull to death or drown it or electrocute it and Whoopie Goldberg will angrily admonish the white audience to not even think of criticizing Michael Vick because 'what he's doing is black culture'. If a black kid in Oakland is incapable of speaking the American language despite he and his parents, grandparents and great-grandparents having been born here (whereas a Vietnamese boat kid who landed here only 4 years ago is now speaking it fluently) than the 'fault' is because of oppressive white culture and the 'solution' is to teach the black kid pidgeon English - i.e., Ebonics. (That's it - don't even try to bring the black kid up to high standards, but instead lower them down to his.) If black schoolchildren in New York are beaten up by other black kids because the schoolchildren are wearing book bags, than the 'solution' is to create clothing for the schoolchildren to hide their books - yeah, just too damned pesky to think about tackling a mindset that says educating yourself is 'denying your blackness'.

It is revealing that when the black students at this university erupted, it wasn't because that tasteless invitation pointed out their own faults - but because a noose allowed the black students to point out the faults of others - i.e., non-blacks. God forbid those black students would ever think of being honest about what that invite pointed out - a sickness pervading the black culture which the black culture promotes and for which it is responsible.

Yes, folks - this invitation was tasteless and vulgar. But the horror of it was that it was accurate. It was mocking an ugly truth. It didn't create that truth, it simply made fun of it. It made fun of something that exists, that is real, that is awful - and that is deadly. And - as the black students going on their self-righteous rampage just proved - something which the perpetrators flatly refuse to own up to.

I'll get angry at the students for exposing their tastelessness. But I can not in any good conscience get mad at them for exposing the truth.

My two cents.
Edited by Carolyn says, Feb 27 2010, 04:00 PM.
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Feb 27 2010, 03:46 PM
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Feb 27 2010, 10:21 AM
What could have and should have been done is the university Pan-Hellenic Board and its faculty advisors should have publicly denounced the party and should not have allowed it to take place.
We live in a free country, we have certain freedoms, getting out in front of this and shutting the party down might have been a good idea. Students are smarter then that, they could have moved the party to a private residence, where the school, would have no say over the students activities. If I hold a party, at my house, with a certain theme, what right does the government have to intrefere, if there is no criminal activity.

What do you say about a AA city council member in New York City, that states he would like to punch the first white guy he sees. He even admitted it on the Hannity radio show one day.
My point about the Pan-Hellenic Council and the administration is that at the very least, it gets the university off the hook for what some addled students thought was a "great idea" for a fun time. I will grant you that individuals have the right to do whatever they want (within the limits of the law) and that many individuals make very stupid choices and say very stupid things. Should a group of individuals decide to have such a party off campus - well, so be it - I personally think that such a party is wrong , hurtful, and its organizers are just asking for trouble. One would hope that one would raise one's children to also find such a party abhorrent.

As far as the person you mention - unfortunately, he is an ass. However, the Constitution gives him the right to say whatever he wants. If he were to act on his belief - well, then one would hope that the long arm of the law would get him with the added charge of committing a hate crime.
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Feb 27 2010, 12:31 PM
Fire has been covering this all week!

One of their favourite sayings is The US Constitution and Bill of Rights does not guarantee that students ( and I suppose applicable to posters here too) "have the right NOT to be offended"

Totally true, Dan. Totally true.

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The person who hung the noose has been suspended. I've seen one report that it was female and one that said male, and is still being investigated as a hate crime.

I agree that the Compton party was rude, crude and socially unacceptable. I would be appalled if my kids had participated in such a party, especially if it were held specifically to make fun of Black History Month.

Is hanging a noose considered a crime or not? If it is, then college kids need to know the law, and if it is not, then why are they investigating it as a crime?

http://www.10news.com/news/22682950/detail.html
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Feb 27 2010, 04:52 PM
The person who hung the noose has been suspended. I've seen one report that it was female and one that said male, and is still being investigated as a hate crime.

I agree that the Compton party was rude, crude and socially unacceptable. I would be appalled if my kids had participated in such a party, especially if it were held specifically to make fun of Black History Month.

Is hanging a noose considered a crime or not? If it is, then college kids need to know the law, and if it is not, then why are they investigating it as a crime?

http://www.10news.com/news/22682950/detail.html
Now that you have mentioned this. From what I have seen of Black History Month celebrations, they tend to be pretty laughable. Can you imagine a university-sponsored "White History Month"? Well, the "Black History Month" is just as legitimate. One does not have to be tasteless or offensive about it, but such nonsense is a very appropriate target for mockery. And if you heard what the participants tell each other about their history (I made a point of listening a couple of times)... :mkell:
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Black history month along with women's history month (begins on Monday) are both social constructs brought about by the same people who instituted AA and women's studies. The idea that one should take a month out of the curriculum and focus on one group totally out of context is pedagogically stupid, IMHO. One should, in teaching history, bring out the contributions of different peoples and groups in the context in which those contributions occurred - not in a vacuum which is what having such designated months brings about. In my own school, which has a growing African American student body, we had the biography of an African American read each day and students were to guess (to win a prize) who was being described. The students had no idea each day who was talked about (I would give them the answer) because although they were described in a historical context, they had not been taught that way. If one wants toemphasize someone's importance, the last thing that should be done is to talk about that person in isolation.
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The person who hung the noose has been suspended. I've seen one report that it was female and one that said male, and is still being investigated as a hate crime.

I agree that the Compton party was rude, crude and socially unacceptable. I would be appalled if my kids had participated in such a party, especially if it were held specifically to make fun of Black History Month.

Is hanging a noose considered a crime or not? If it is, then college kids need to know the law, and if it is not, then why are they investigating it as a crime?

http://www.10news.com/news/22682950/detail.html
If burning the American flag is not a crime, why is putting up a noose a crime? The burning of the American flag offends me, but I just have to grin and bear it. Just because I served my country in uniform am I suppose to fear the people burning the flag. The AA female that is in fear for her life just because she saw a noose, seems to be clearing the field for a lawsuit.
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Feb 27 2010, 03:59 PM
Joan Foster
Feb 27 2010, 07:41 AM
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-compton-cookout,0,2673438.story

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Read The Invitation To The "Compton Cook Out," As Posted On Facebook:

"February marks a very important month in American society. No, i'm not referring to Valentines day or Presidents day. I'm talking about Black History month. As a time to celebrate and in hopes of showing respect, the Regents community cordially invites you to its very first Compton Cookout.

For guys: I expect all males to be rockin Jersey's, stuntin' up in ya White T (XXXL smallest size acceptable), anything FUBU, Ecko, Rockawear, High/low top Jordans or Dunks, Chains, Jorts, stunner shades, 59 50 hats, Tats, etc.

For girls: For those of you who are unfamiliar with ghetto chicks-Ghetto chicks usually have gold teeth, start fights and drama, and wear cheap clothes - they consider Baby Phat to be high class and expensive couture. They also have short, nappy hair, and usually wear cheap weave, usually in bad colors, such as purple or bright red. They look and act similar to Shenaynay, and speak very loudly, while rolling their neck, and waving their finger in your face. Ghetto chicks have a very limited vocabulary, and attempt to make up for it, by forming new words, such as "constipulated", or simply cursing persistently, or using other types of vulgarities, and making noises, such as "hmmg!", or smacking their lips, and making other angry noises,grunts, and faces. The objective is for all you lovely ladies to look, act, and essentially take on these "respectable" qualities throughout the day.

Several of the regents condos will be teaming up to house this monstrosity, so travel house to house and experience the various elements of life in the ghetto.

We will be serving 40's, Kegs of Natty, dat Purple Drank- which consists of sugar, water, and the color purple , chicken, coolade, and of course Watermelon. So come one and come all, make ya self before we break ya self, keep strapped, get yo shine on, and join us for a day party to be remembered- or not.

People - I am not saying this to offend or make an enemy of someone but instead to state my opinion. And my opinion of the 'invitation' above is that it is NOT racist. It is vulgar and tasteless, yes - but it is not racist. What is it? Accurate.

Yes, people, those jibes listed above are accurate - they are accurate because they point out something that exists, something that is real. What is it? It's the ghetto mentality that permeates the culture of Black America. That ghetto mentality, that 'thug' mentality is the poison that non-whites 'dare not speak its name'. That ghetto mentality is sick, depraved, cruel, twisted and stupid - and as a white American I refuse to take the blame for something I did not create and which I am not perpetuating.

This ghetto mentality is what this invitation mocks - and this mentality deserves that mocking. It deserves it because the ghetto mentality is one of the most supreme evils in this country. I'm not joking when I place it on the exact level of Naziism - they are the same, an evil borne of hate and self-pity - and an evil like that destroys. It accomplishes no good; it destroys. And this evil of ghetto mentality is what this invitation is pointing out - for instance, stupidity, revealed by the fact that the stupid ones can't speak the language they were born into ("very limited vocabulary, and attempt to make up for it, by forming new words, such as "constipulated"), infantile brutality ('start fights'), filthy language ("cursing persistently, or using other types of vulgarities"), inferior social skills ("speak very loudly, while rolling their neck, and waving their finger in your face"), inability to distinguish between trash with class ("consider Baby Phat to be high class and expensive couture"), etc.

Some people will go through the roof and say that this was 'mocking' black culture - but I see it differently - this invitation was revealing it. And note I say 'revealing' it, not 'creating' it. This invitation was speaking the ugly truth - that black culture is permeated with vulgarity, filth, lewdness, laziness, stupidity, ignorance, sloth, greed and cruelty.

Now let me ask you all a question - and do not insult me by lying. Which culture is more likely to produce children with Ph.D's - the Jewish culture or the black culture? And, if you admit that the Jewish culture is, does that mean you're racist? No - it means you're observing a fact. And why is it that there are more Jews with Ph.D.'s than there are blacks? Would your argument be that it's because the Jews haven't suffered or been discriminated against as badly as the blacks? Really? Well, if you think that, than kindly let me take you by the hand and walk you into a little known place called Auschwitz or let me escort to the outcast zones of neighborhoods in Europe and Russia, etc., where Jews were expelled to (and which is where the word 'ghetto' originally comes from) and, of course, let's not forget that centuries before blacks were prevented from sitting at city lunch counters in America, Jews throughout the world weren't even allowed to enter the city itself. So tell me - why is one totally lopsided for academic excellence whereas the other is known for Ebonics? It is because of the culture. It's not because of the brains - as Booker T. Washington brilliantly proved - it's because of the culture. One promotes and demands the best - the other does not. There, I've said it. It's the culture - I've spoken it out loud.

This is the truth that 'dare not speak its name' - the truth being that the black culture is poisoning itself with its own hatred, sloth and self-pity - and it-will-not-admit-it. The hallmark of an enlightened culture is its insistence on its members taking responsibility for its own actions. This is NOT the hallmark of the ghetto culture. No way. With them, it's always someone else's fault, never theirs. In the ghetto culture, if a black man does evil - it's never his fault. If he cuts off his white wife's head and murders the waiter who tries to save her life, than it's because a racist white cop framed him with a bloody glove. Let a black man stomp a pit bull to death or drown it or electrocute it and Whoopie Goldberg will angrily admonish the white audience to not even think of criticizing Michael Vick because 'what he's doing is black culture'. If a black kid in Oakland is incapable of speaking the American language despite he and his parents, grandparents and great-grandparents having been born here (whereas a Vietnamese boat kid who landed here only 4 years ago is now speaking it fluently) than the 'fault' is because of oppressive white culture and the 'solution' is to teach the black kid pidgeon English - i.e., Ebonics. (That's it - don't even try to bring the black kid up to high standards, but instead lower them down to his.) If black schoolchildren in New York are beaten up by other black kids because the schoolchildren are wearing book bags, than the 'solution' is to create clothing for the schoolchildren to hide their books - yeah, just too damned pesky to think about tackling a mindset that says educating yourself is 'denying your blackness'.

It is revealing that when the black students at this university erupted, it wasn't because that tasteless invitation pointed out their own faults - but because a noose allowed the black students to point out the faults of others - i.e., non-blacks. God forbid those black students would ever think of being honest about what that invite pointed out - a sickness pervading the black culture which the black culture promotes and for which it is responsible.

Yes, folks - this invitation was tasteless and vulgar. But the horror of it was that it was accurate. It was mocking an ugly truth. It didn't create that truth, it simply made fun of it. It made fun of something that exists, that is real, that is awful - and that is deadly. And - as the black students going on their self-righteous rampage just proved - something which the perpetrators flatly refuse to own up to.

I'll get angry at the students for exposing their tastelessness. But I can not in any good conscience get mad at them for exposing the truth.

My two cents.
I couldn't agree with Carolyn more.

I can even recall an experience myself, where I was in the minority where I thought I was going to die. I was out with a couple of friends one white, one AA. I was at the ripe old age of 21. We went to a predominately white bar and everything was fine. Our AA friend wanted to go to another bar, so we did, in the middle of a ghetto. We followed him into the bar, the music stopped playing, almost everyone in the bar turned and looked at us. Everyone was AA, one walked up to us two white guys and asked what we were doing in their bar. Our AA friend, who was about 6'6" and 320lbs, told him, these are my guest and you people better not even think about hurting them. We stayed for a little while and left. Was that racism, I certainly thought so.

Being a retired cop, I have had plenty of experiences with all members of society, but when I wrote a ticket or arrested a person of color, I usually got the "You did that because I am ______, fill in the blank. I arrest people that said, I no speak english, but they certainly understood the word jail. Usually though we could get a cop from another local department that spoke his language, usually Spanish. Then suddenly could speak english. I don't know how many time I have been called a racist, when issuing a traffic ticket or making an arrest. I have even had some come into court and tell the judge, "your honor, the officer stopped me because I am black". The judge would ask the defendant, did you go through the red light and to make him/her look good they would usually give an honest answer, like yes. The judge would then find them guilty and tell the offender that the officer had every right in the world to stop you.

So when AA students break into an office, make demands, the demands are meant, what do they learn from that experience. The learn that if they don't get their way, then break the law and make demands. Almost like Amy Bishop, if I don't get my way, I will kill you, granted the AA students didn't go that far, but nontheless they broke the law and now are going to be rewarded.
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