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Black Students Take Over University; "Real Pain, Real Change"
Topic Started: Feb 27 2010, 12:51 AM (11,272 Views)
Mason
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Then there's the question of whether the Noosteria pays off for these kids in the long run - or just in the short run.

And I always have that fear we're not getting the real story. Some postings say that African-American students attended the cookout - and that, of course, they would be spared if individual student attendees are punished.

That web posting resonates since that's what we saw with the Duke Party. The African-American player was exempted from all criticism by the school and exempted from the investigation (even questioning) by the authorities.

Was the party unquestionably racism - or was it a Fraternity with of history of outrageous behavior, doing something outrageous?

Just like the Columbia professor that attacked a female coworker over their "discussion" of race, maybe the training needs to go into the reaction of those that feel insulted.

I am insulted almost daily by the portrayal of religious people - and my religion, however, there isn't a lot of empathy for me and there would be none if I stormed the local FOX affiliate - or college - with demands.

Why are some obligated by law and social norms to have a different reaction than others.

Edited by Mason, Feb 27 2010, 10:11 AM.
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What could have and should have been done is the university Pan-Hellenic Board and its faculty advisors should have publicly denounced the party and should not have allowed it to take place. The Administratiative Dean who oversees that area should have called in the officers of that fraternity and the social chairman to ascertain if indeed this was sponsored with their knowledge and with their (the frat's) funds. If so, they should have been kicked off campus and all their activities suspended immediately. This should have been very publicly done as well. Then, the national chapter officers should have been called in and asked what steps they planned to take.

My youngest son's fraternity had a drinking infraction during initiation. That is what happened to their fraternity on that issue. All the officers were forced to resign, they (the fraternity) were susupended for six weeks, and are now under tight supervision by the school authorities. My son is currently the initiation chairman. His father and I had a very frank discussion with him about his duties. It did not matter what others might want to do, he KNOWS what the rules are and he better well follow them to the letter. He said he was chosen for the position specifically because his brothers knew that he was a straight arrow. Fraternities and sororities can be (and have been for both me and my children) wonderful organizations - but, like any organization of humans, they can descend into behavior that is unacceptable. It is important that those in charge take their duties (and here I mean not just the officers of those groups but the adults who are supposed to moderate them) seriously and exercise the oversight role that they have.
Edited by cks, Feb 27 2010, 10:24 AM.
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Joan Foster

"Was the party unquestionably racism - or was it a Fraternity with of history of outrageous behavior, doing something outrageous?"

Is either type of cruelty excusable?

I'm just suggesting we show the consistency you speak of, Mason.

Does it have to start with others? Maybe it has to start with us.

I agree with you on the double standards, the attacks on people of faith...the hypocrisy and power grab behind so much of this...but NONE of that changes the fact that this party is offensive, racist and every one who planned it should face consequences.

Great post, cks...just saw it!



Edited by Joan Foster, Feb 27 2010, 10:27 AM.
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I just don't believe the early reports about these incidents...

My guess is that the whole story will be completely different in a few weeks.

http://obrag.org/?p=18209

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It is my experience that there are things unknown to National observers in these types of cases, things that may be significant.

Money talks in most of these cases. We knew the money that was involved with the Crystal Mangum story, only from local and inside knowledge. There was a case in W.VA where a woman was supposedly tortured and abused in a racial case. I spoke out and said that the accused were unquestionably guilty and there was no reason to wait to see the evidence at trial. What was unknown was National "race" money was influencing that case too - and the woman, like Crystal had received money - and offers. She had national "sponsors" that gave her a reason to stick to her story.

The JENA-6 teens got cars and thousands of cash handed to them. I have to believe that money is involved in this case and the leaders of the takeover and the faces of the protest are getting sponsored and enriched.

More than likely, if we had full knowledge of the circumstances and facts, this case would be more complicated than first presented by the media - ala Jena-6.

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A publicly funded school located in Durham had Michael Vick in to preach to the students yesterday.

Where do I go to be outraged? What about my tax money? What can I takeover without being arrested?

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There were "non-white" party organizers as well...
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Feb 27 2010, 10:47 AM
There were "non-white" party organizers as well...
I don't care if it was organized by the Youth Chapter of the Beverly Hills NAACP...it was outrageous and cruel in its depiction of people other than themselves.

To take a very real example of racism AS THIS IS...and post the reactions to it here in a way that either dismisses them or diminishes them...because often OUR issues aren't heard...is the same historical problem just spinning round and round again.

Do we want change? Do we want all this idiocy about skin hue to stop? Well, it's going to take mutual trust to do that. And that means not shrugging off an incident like this or fishing around to find ways to say any reaction to this outrage is somehow devious or, undeserved.

Edited by Joan Foster, Feb 27 2010, 11:19 AM.
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jewelcove

The Cookout party was organized by Mr. J. Jones, an African-American comedian, for the release of his latest DVD. Mr. Jones uses a kind of humor that often pokes fun of his own culture.

He was on the Roger Hedgecock show explaining what the cook out was about.

http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/audiogallery.asp?cchk=yes

Edited by jewelcove, Feb 27 2010, 11:19 AM.
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Joan Foster

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Feb 27 2010, 11:18 AM
The Cookout party was organized by Mr. J. Jones, an African-American comedian, for the release of his latest DVD. Mr. Jones uses a kind of humor that often pokes fun of his own culture.

He was on the Roger Hedgecock show explaining what the cook out was about.

http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/audiogallery.asp?cchk=yes

If true, why wasn't that anywhere on the "invitation?" Wouldn't that have been prudent?

And why didn't he ask Black fraternities to host this?

Are some of you here comfortable hosting parties demeaning other races and ethnicities other than your own...for a publicity stunt? With no mention of the cause?

So if some Catholic wants to ridicule Catholicism ...we'd send the invitations out in our name...and feel okay about it? Just as long as we have him ANONYMOUSLY behind it?

How morally vapid are these white kids?
Edited by Joan Foster, Feb 27 2010, 11:27 AM.
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And of course, we believe all kinds of people are using this for their own purposes...but gee, a guy who is promoting his new DVD...now HE surely couldn't be just jumping in here for publicity?

No, this sounds so real. The white fraternity is now the "victim."
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Joan Foster

Let's see how many more excuses we can find for our children making fun of others not like them....others with less than they have.
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Joan Foster
Feb 27 2010, 11:26 AM
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Feb 27 2010, 11:18 AM
The Cookout party was organized by Mr. J. Jones, an African-American comedian, for the release of his latest DVD. Mr. Jones uses a kind of humor that often pokes fun of his own culture.

He was on the Roger Hedgecock show explaining what the cook out was about.

http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/audiogallery.asp?cchk=yes

If true, why wasn't that anywhere on the "invitation?" Wouldn't that have been prudent?

And why didn't he ask Black fraternities to host this?

Are some of you here comfortable hosting parties demeaning other races and ethnicities other than your own...for a publicity stunt? With no mention of the cause?

So if some Catholic wants to ridicule Catholicism ...we'd send the invitations out in our name...and feel okay about it? Just as long as we have him ANONYMOUSLY behind it?

How morally vapid are these white kids?
All true - but it only goes so far. The outrage about this party is highly selective, in the sense that when Blacks do similar (and much worse) things, nobody seems to care. Of course, these kids made some tasteless jokes; given the current PC environment, they were also stupid. But - let us face it - they did not attack anyone physically, or frame anyone for a crime he never committed, or give anyone a bad grade because of his race, or...

The semi-violent action by a bunch of Black students in the aftermath of this party is a more serious offense than the party itself. In a minimally sane world, the organizers of the party would merit a mild (and, possibly, unofficial) reprimand. Outrage is simply not called for, in my opinion - even if the published descriptions are true. And, given the PC atmosphere on American campuses, the desire to do something politically incorrect is somewhat understandable - especially if one is young and silly. :P
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Joan,

My instinct is to poke fun and be sarcastic - but I think we can pick this conversation up later.

I don't want to fan the flames.

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It was not right, but it was also not really racist, having been organized by "non-whites" for a "non-white".

So, it's difficult for me to get outraged over it...

Was it a bad idea, sure.

Was it done by racists to make fun of blacks? Apparently not.
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