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Black Students Take Over University; "Real Pain, Real Change"
Topic Started: Feb 27 2010, 12:51 AM (11,273 Views)
Mason
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Why don't the taxpayer funded schools start monitoring the off-campus black parties and black fraternities?

We know they had no interest in the black fraternity party near Duke - where drugs, guns, and underage girls abounded.

No one would stand for it. We'd hear about privacy rights and free-speech and all the rest, well, really, it wouldn't get that far.

Wouldn't it be racist for a public school to monitor off-campus black parties that used private sites for invites and communication to private individuals?

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Edited by Mason, Feb 27 2010, 09:01 AM.
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Joan Foster

My Father used to say...how we behave is not excused by how others behave. I have no right to be a racist because others are racist. I have no right to humiliate others because others have humiliated me. Every time I "allow" myself the "pleasure" of sinking to the level of others, I ultimately regret it.

To be clear, I often fail at this. But I recognize the truth of my Father's teaching.

If we have values...we are responsible for how we represent those values. We can't blame others if we indulge ourselves.

Every day, in the choices we make...we are teaching others WHO we are. Not who THEY are.

If we shrug this type of Hate off...well, then let's stop pointing fingers.

Do you think that this Fraternity..or collection of Fraternities ...just stop at humiliating Black kids? I'm sure they are just as insensitive to anyone not rich enough or good looking enough, or cool enough to move in their circle. They get off on demeaning people. That probably means your kids or mine....if they are not up to whatever their "level" is.

I agree with cks. This University needs to clean out the Trash.
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I am incensed that they assumed - and stated the noose hanger was a male.

I would urge you all to be equally incensed.

I think College Campuses should have a sanctuary where all male students can go to be safe.

I think to feed the sensitivity levels of the community activists will guarantee that you'll have leaders that can not be parodied and not be criticized without having the sensitive souls lash out and label the criticism - racism.

Just my opinion - how long it'll be legal to hold it is another matter.

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Joan Foster
Feb 27 2010, 09:08 AM

Do you think that this Fraternity..or collection of Fraternities ...just stop at humiliating Black kids?
That will be the narrative - I don't think they're allowed to go any further than that. It would detract from the narrative.

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Mason
Feb 27 2010, 08:57 AM
Why don't the taxpayer funded schools start monitoring the off-campus black parties and black fraternities?

We know they had no interest in the black fraternity party near Duke - where drugs, guns, and underage girls abounded.

No one would stand for it. We'd hear about privacy rights and free-speech and all the rest, well, really, it wouldn't get that far.

Wouldn't it be racist for a public school to monitor off-campus black parties that used private sites for invites and communication to private individuals?

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Short answer. The rules should be the same. The punishment, the same.

WE ARE the same. To me, skin hue is like eye color. I hate all this "team spirit" that keeps us separated.

I hate what happened to RCD.

I hate this Party.

There's a skewed mentality at the base of both events that is more alike than not. The ability to dehumanize others for political or financial gain, or retribution or in this case, sport.
Edited by Joan Foster, Feb 27 2010, 09:19 AM.
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Joan Foster

It was a girl...


"A UC San Diego student admitted Friday to hanging a rope noose from a campus library bookcase in an act that triggered more protests at a school already roiled by other recent racially charged incidents.

Angry students responded to the incident by storming and occupying the office of UC San Diego Chancellor Marye Anne Fox. The sit-in continued for about six hours Friday and ended without arrests, and a sympathy protest at UCLA lasted about an hour, officials said.

UC San Diego police confirmed that the student contacted them Friday morning and acknowledged responsibility for placing the noose the night before on a lamp fixture atop a seventh-floor bookcase in the campus' main library. Police did not release the woman's name or race or provide any information about a motive."
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I don't trust what I read, for one.

It's like the national coverage of JENA-6. You beat the shit out a white student - and it's no big deal, it's nothing really. If a black kid perceives an insult though - oh My God, every level of the state and Federal governments must be involved.

Do you think they use the term "white trash" on campuses across the country?

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Mason
Feb 27 2010, 08:19 AM
but 2% of students, in cash-strapped California, taking over and providing a list of 32 demands of the school?

Said 32 demands having nothing to do with 'fixing' the 'problem'.

Noose-hanging and the like will cease only after the 'victims' cease going nuts when one appears.
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It's just the long running double standard that we've all seen many times before...
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Joan Foster

The double standard does not make this any less of an offensive happenstance.

The invitation is real. That's not MSM.

So what do the rest of you think should happen to the party sponsors?
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Joan,

Did one person write the invitation? If not, how many?

Facebook is not a school entity - it is a privately owned enterprise. What other privately owned enterprises should the school monitor the students' behavior?

I tend to think (maybe it's my bias) that the people up in arms over the noose and the facebook entries would oppose black groups being monitored by school vice-chancellors to track their off-campus behaviors and communications - vehemently opposed to it. If so, then we have another double standard.

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Edited by Mason, Feb 27 2010, 09:35 AM.
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Joan Foster

"The party was organized by members of several UCSD fraternities, according to an e-mail from Gary Ratcliff, assistant vice chancellor for student life."

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-compton-cookout,0,2673438.story

Tony, it was cruel.

If you wouldn't want your own child mocked, then you can't say it's no big deal if these kids are mocked.

And the greater harm...as we say in the thread about Mangum...is when people face no consequences for the things they do.



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from Joan's post:
"The "demands" are a reaction.

People are flailing about trying to think how do we change the kind of ugliness that produces this party? Do I think more Angry Studies programs will do it...no...but I can see how some might feel , in light of this, that we "educate" our way out of it. This is racism and snobbery...insensitivity and bias...no excuses.

So what do we do?

For a start, WE call it just what it is. WE get in the front of the crowd and show WE are outraged too.

We can wait for change to start when others treat us right...and keep pointing fingers, but we have no moral position at all if we brush stuff like this off. I'd like to see our sensitivity and outrage not be color blind either. Every kid that was hurt by this...is not demeaning our faith or values.

Change starts with us. Otherwise we are just like the people we criticize. They are waiting for US to change. We get nowhere like that.

That's the Durham mentality we railed against."



Joan, I agree the demands are a reaction, but it would have been better if the demands made were more in line with what you propose. An invitation for all to stand together against the ugliness of the thinking shown at the party.

The demands as made, seem more to be a effort to "not waste a crisis". An attempt only to build up the Angry Studies power. It makes me wonder if the unidentified, no race revealed, nooser was just setting up the event that would justify the protest and the demands.

If she is associated with the fraternities, then she also should share in their severe disciplinary action. But if she placed the noose to set the later events in motion, then she should receive discipline for that. We'll see which way it turns out.



Standing together for what is right, and seeking for justice for everyone, is the direction I wish our country would head.

Liberty and Justice for All. (Social Justice is just not the same thing.)
Edited by Rusty Dog, Feb 27 2010, 09:48 AM.
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I believe the party has been widely condemned - even by other fraternities and sororities.

The school has already had cultural sensitivity teach-in's and the like.

It's not like it's being ignored, or that's my understanding, anyway.

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Joan Foster

I used to say...back in the day...this would be a far, far better world, if Jesse and Al had come to Durham and spoken up for the rights of CRD...really articulated to the Mob...to wait for evidence.

I guess, it's just always my hope, that we who formed this Board and Blog and spoke out so often and so stridently against the racism that fueled the Hoax...would set an example that our own compassion is not colorblind.

The initiating event of this crisis is inexcusable, offensive and demands real accountability.

I'm not going to fish around looking for ways to avoid saying that. Everything that followed the first incident can be discussed separately but IMO is no excuse for not calling out cruelty when we see it.







Edited by Joan Foster, Feb 27 2010, 09:57 AM.
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