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Black Students Take Over University; "Real Pain, Real Change"
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DukieInKansas
Mar 5 2010, 12:21 PM
I think they left out something very important in their goals. I admit that I don't know how to go about putting it into action but people need to learn to realize that something that they might see as harmless fun could be hurtful to another. Even if you think the hurt is misplaced, recognize the hurt and apologize for any unintended pain. On the other side, people need to realize that an item can't be racist on its own. It is the intent behind the item that makes it a racist symbol. Before assuming the worst about something, find the source and make sure it was intended that way. (Yes there are some depictions that are just going to be racist - even if you think it is funny, dressing like a member of the KKK is offensive to many groups of people.)
I agree wholeheartedly. Too often people do things without asking themselves will my actions give offense to others. At the same time, there are many who take offense at anything and then use that as leverage to blackmail society for special rights and privileges.
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DukieInKansas
Mar 5 2010, 12:21 PM
I think they left out something very important in their goals. I admit that I don't know how to go about putting it into action but people need to learn to realize that something that they might see as harmless fun could be hurtful to another. Even if you think the hurt is misplaced, recognize the hurt and apologize for any unintended pain. On the other side, people need to realize that an item can't be racist on its own. It is the intent behind the item that makes it a racist symbol. Before assuming the worst about something, find the source and make sure it was intended that way. (Yes there are some depictions that are just going to be racist - even if you think it is funny, dressing like a member of the KKK is offensive to many groups of people.)
These days, I'd be VERY suspicious of any KKK, swastika, noose, etc. sort of "symbol" PLACED somewhere. If an identifiable person is there too, then you might be able to verify what is being advocated. HOWEVER, two things to remember- the TEA Party sign that said, "It doesn't matter what I say on this poster, the media will say it's RAAACIST!" and that the man who CLAIMS to be a leader of the TEA Party is NOT, but is some nutcase who is getting the media to say he's a leader. Also, the Coffee Party "founder" who has been outed as an Obamabot and former employee of the NYTimes! Always, be skeptical these days. Misinformation is a tool of the Left Wing.

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Mar 5 2010, 12:35 PM
" dressing like a member of the KKK is offensive to many groups of people."

I don't disagree with this; however, most klansmen didn't carry a rose in one hand. I agree with someone up thread who said the entire episode looks staged - in other words, what do we have to do to create a right to bellyache?


I have my doubts about the hood and rose on the statue and the reason behind it - but just to be clear, that isn't the person dressed like a KKK member that I meant. ;-)
Edited by DukieInKansas, Mar 5 2010, 01:05 PM.
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Well I have been wondering to whom that post was directed. Can we just decide we are adults and can take a little heat before getting out of the kitchen? I don't personally care how many arrows are shot at me. I can decide what I am willing to take and what I am not. Deciding not to participate in a particular thread is one thing, pouting and creating a scene is quite another. I prefer the former.
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The thing about nooses being discovered and the outrage inevitably sparked is that I don't think most non-black folks really identify a noose as a racist symbol. Burning crosses, sure. White bedsheets with eye holes and KKK scribbled on them, absolutely. But a noose?

I have a 7-letter word. You guess letters and I'll fill in body parts below my hangman's noose for each wrong guess. If you get my word before I fill in all the body parts, you win. When I was in 3rd grade, someone taught me how to tie a hangman's noose. Never have I ever associated that symbol with racism. Outside of the movie Mississippi Burning most images of nooses in popular culture have nothing at all to do with racism.

They were going to hang Capt Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean. No one would seriously suggest that the noose in that film was racially insensitive. In all the westerns I saw growing up, the gallows were always used to hang some (white) outlaw. In the Sherlock Holmes movie I just saw with Robert Downey Jr., the (white) villain was hanged. I could go on and on and on with examples but the idea of a noose just doesn't evoke images of racism to me. And I doubt that most non-minority people think of a noose that way either.

So, whenever you hear of some racist event involving a noose, I almost always question it. It's just not the universal symbol of racial intollerance that I think a white person would pick if they wanted to start a racial incident. Burning a cross? Yeah, sure. But a noose? You gotta be kidding me.
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I'm sorry for having joined the discussion late. I skimmed the first 10 pages before jumping to the end. It appears I've missed some deleted posts so I'm not sure where the discussion is at right now.

I'm willing to concede that the party invite was insensitive. At best it was tacky and in bad taste. It's hard to argue that it was racist if it was created by a black guy. But I'll even concede that point. My question is whether, at some point, people of all stripes should just let stuff like that slide off their backs and ignore it.

Let's assume the party invite had been created by white racists for the expressed purpose of inflaming racial hostility. Looks like it did it's job, huh? My mom used to tell me to consider the source. She also used to tell me to ignore people who were trying to get a rise out of me and they'd eventually get bored and quit their harrassment. I found her advice worked 100% of the time.

I don't like the idea of thought control. I don't like the idea of a government or some level of authority determining which ideas are worthy and which are not. The fact of the matter is that as abhorrent as the notion seems, people have a right to be racist. The Nazi party has an absolute right to march through Skokie, Illinois. While I may not agree with what you have to say, I will defend to the death your right to say it. The solution to bad speech is not less speech but more speech. I don't want to see speech codes because I fear the slippery slope that speech I agree with might at some point fall into disfavor.

People have every right to be offended by the party invite. The knee-jerk, juvenile response is to stage a "takeover" of the Dean's office. (Except the strategery appears to have worked.) The more mature way is to invite a public discussion in which the viewpoints of all could be openly expressed, heard and respected -- even the viewpoint of those who would say that the party invite was harmless fun. How much greater of an educational experience would that campus have had if the administration had responded like that?

Instead, we "validate" the "feelings" of those who can't seem to handle the slightest insult. At what point are we, as a society, going to finally say, "we all get offended from time to time; shut up and deal with it like everyone else"? Or tell them what my mom used to say: "Ignore them and they'll stop."
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Mar 5 2010, 06:38 PM
. . .
At what point are we, as a society, going to finally say, "we all get offended from time to time; shut up and deal with it like everyone else"?
. . .
Exactly!
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people need to realize that an item can't be racist on its own. It is the intent behind the item that makes it a racist symbol. Before assuming the worst about something, find the source and make sure it was intended that way. (Yes there are some depictions that are just going to be racist - even if you think it is funny, dressing like a member of the KKK is offensive to many groups of people.)


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Greg,

You are just in time.

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We keep "teaching" the same mandatory classes without very good results, I'd say.

Maybe some training for students to be told that others will hold different views from yours and here's how you can best deal with it in order to be successful in a civilized society. There's no shortage of young people that blow up and resort to violence when they hear something that goes against their fine education (reads long indoctrination).

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Mar 5 2010, 07:17 PM
Greg
Mar 5 2010, 06:38 PM
. . .
At what point are we, as a society, going to finally say, "we all get offended from time to time; shut up and deal with it like everyone else"?
. . .
Exactly!
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