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Black Students Take Over University; "Real Pain, Real Change"
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March 1, 2010


The Queens teenager whose prank 911 call sparked allegations of racial profiling by New Jersey state police officers has a history of making false 911 calls.
Three months before 19-year-old Rodney Tanzymore called police to falsely report that passengers in a van in which he was riding were carrying guns at a New Jersey Turnpike rest stop, he called cops in Queens to report that a man matching his own description was brandishing a firearm.

According to the Post, the St. Albans resident pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct after getting arrested in August for the first incident. He was sentenced to community service. In November, Tanzymore was returning from a trip to Howard University with participants in a social services organization when he reportedly called 911 on a cellphone that could only make emergency calls and used the name "David Smith" to file a false report. When police pulled over the van minutes later, officers thought they were responding to a "high risk" stop and drew their weapons on the students and chaperones.

Tanzymore's bail was set at $50,000, and he was forced to take a psychiatric evaluation due to his history of making false 911 calls.

http://gothamist.com/2010/03/01/teen_who_made_prank_911_call_has_hi.php

Teen charged in hoax 911 call that led to NJ stop

By SAMANTHA HENRY (AP) – Feb 22, 2010

NEWARK, N.J. — A hoax 911 call was behind a November stop of a van full of minority teenagers that raised concerns over racial profiling, state police said Monday, adding that they've determined who made the call: one of the teens in the van.

Rodney Tanzymore, 19, was arrested Monday at his Queens, N.Y., home and charged with causing a false public alarm. It was not immediately clear whether he had retained a lawyer as authorities sought to extradite him to New Jersey. Police did not discuss a motive.

Tanzymore was among a group of 11 Queens teenagers and three chaperones returning Nov. 21 from a visit to Howard University in Washington that was organized by the group Safe Space NYC, a social service agency that works with disadvantaged children to prevent foster care placement.

State police said the caller, who gave his name as David Smith and called from a cell phone that could only dial 911, claimed that passengers had brandished handguns at a turnpike rest stop.

Troopers at the scene drew their rifles after being advised by a supervisor to treat the stop as "high risk."

Police surveillance tapes released in December show the van's occupants being evacuated from the vehicle at gunpoint, handcuffed, and told to sit on the guardrail on the side of the turnpike in Hamilton Township.

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I hate racist topis, but they are a part of life.

There are real problems that result from racism AND there are problems from those that simply use racism.

The latter worsens the problems of the former.

Go figure...
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Whenever there is a report of a White-against-Black racist act, the first assumption should be that it is a hoax. This has been my position for a long time; in this case, I had no doubt about the noose. But even so I was hoodwinked by the party episode - being unfamiliar with the ghetto language, etc. Vigilance!

"Symbolic" hate acts (such as nooses) are virtually ALWAYS hoaxes, for the simple reason that they are victimless, the only person in danger being the perpetrator - and what kind of criminal wants to do that? And nooses specifically are particularly stupid, reflecting the thinking (of this is the right word for it) found at departments of Black Studies: anyone outside that milieu knows that there is nothing racial about the noose. Members of many ethnic groups have a long and glorious history of using nooses on each other - and often the noose was a great improvement on what they would do otherwise!

Let us not forget that in this country, Whites are constantly bombarded with pro-minority (and often, anti-White) propaganda - Obama's election shows that this propaganda is working, at least some of the time. Unfortunately, Blacks in this country are also bombarded by anti-White propaganda - with obvious consequences. One of the very worst things one can do to a group of people (especially, young people) is to give them a sense of grievance and entitlement - and the liberal propaganda has been trying to do it to Blacks for at least 40 years... :puk:
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Mar 2 2010, 10:26 PM
I am hoping that no one will leave LS.
I agree as well. There have been some very hurtful things said about and toward some in the past month (both the Tiger Woods thread and this have engendered strong feeling that have not (and I will include myself in this as well) always been expressed in a civil tone. Perhaps the long, cold snowy winter (climate change not withstanding) has made some of us respond with a petulance that generally does characterize the level of civil, reasoned discussion that marks this board.

I do not want to see anyone leave. All have contributed time and again to challenge me to think about issues from different perspectives or have forced me to think about issues that I have not wanted to confront.
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Mar 2 2010, 09:11 PM
This whole thing is beginning to "feel" like a setup to me. I have a really bad feeling that even the party and the party invitation were designed for a larger purpose. It's the same "feeling" I had over the Jena 6 Hoax, the Columbia Noose Hoax, and the Duke Lacrosse Hoax.
The "feeling" of a set-up in the Duke Lacrosse Case was part of the discussion of whether there was pre-planning to spark some sort of racist or sexual incident during the party.

There was a lot of discussion pro and con as to why two black strippers showed up rather than the Hispanic and white strippers that had been expected, etc.

Was the hoax ginned up for the benefit of the Take Back the Night event and other similiar events which were to take place soon after the March 13th party? There were numerous other reasons to create this hoax to accomplish various agendas.

In the San Diego case there seems to be an effort to create a "rascist" event followed by the usual protest and commotion (helped along by media reporting) with the result of authorities giving in to a set of objectives (more minority hiring at the university, etc. etc). Yes, those 32 demands were quickly brought forth suggesting those demands were there before the so-called racist invitation to the cook-out. This sounds like a template for social change (or in the Jena 6 case, an effort to distract from a minority's serious criminal behavior), a pattern, that happens over and over. It occurs because of a pervasive pc culture.

This pattern occurred during the Duke lax hoax, most likely set up after the lax party after March 13. With so many agendas/vendettas swirling around Duke and Durham, the thought of pre-planning of the hoax is a possibiliity, however remote.
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I hope nobody leaves the board. Disagreements occur and tempers flare from time to time. It's bound to happen. Everyone's contribution is valuable.
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Comelately said: "All true - but it only goes so far. The outrage about this party is highly selective, in the sense that when Blacks do similar (and much worse) things, nobody seems to care. Of course, these kids made some tasteless jokes; given the current PC environment, they were also stupid. But - let us face it - they did not attack anyone physically, or frame anyone for a crime he never committed, or give anyone a bad grade because of his race, or...

The semi-violent action by a bunch of Black students in the aftermath of this party is a more serious offense than the party itself. In a minimally sane world, the organizers of the party would merit a mild (and, possibly, unofficial) reprimand. Outrage is simply not called for, in my opinion - even if the published descriptions are true. And, given the PC atmosphere on American campuses, the desire to do something politically incorrect is somewhat understandable - especially if one is young and silly."

I have read this thread now three times and I am truly baffled by some of the responses. I have quoted Comelately's because I believe it is written rationally with a view not clouded by relationships or experiences.

We can all weigh in here with our individual paradigms and have a perfect right to do so. What I question is our individual right to judge the "social morality" of those who might not agree with us. I am totally opposed to people being put in the "time out chair" for having an opinion. We are adults here. I do not believe that deleting posts serves the dialogue unless of course the post is vile in content or full of vulgar language. It's not likely that having traveled the Duke Lacrosse road since 2006 that much offends us anymore. I hope no one leaves this board and by the same measure, I hope that we can understand that while some seek a perfect world (and that is noble), others may be more realistic in their world view and that does not in any way define their moral or social character.
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The New York Times plays hide the Hoaxster!


California: White Hood Prompts Inquiry on San Diego Campus
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD
Published: March 2, 2010

The police at the University of California, San Diego, are investigating the discovery Monday night of what appeared to be a Ku Klux Klan-style hood on a statue outside the main campus library. The hood, “crudely fashioned” from a pillowcase, a university statement said, was found along with a rose placed in the statue’s fingers. The campus has been shaken by racial incidents in the past two weeks that have led to student protests and promises by administrators to improve the racial climate at the campus and the nine others in the system.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/03/education/03brfs-WHITEHOODPRO_BRF.html

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FBI now Involved!


A Female ethnic studies professor at the school was on the Radio and announced the FBI is on campus investigating and that the black students will not be intimidated. In fact, she promises "a backlash."

Seems she is cheering for Students to take actions that will guarantee her department lots of new shiny money - and new positions, and a new Kingdom that will need a King - or Queen.

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Actually, I was not dismayed by Joan's responses in this thread and I think it's about time I said so.

I did think she was wrong about the issue, but that's neither here nor there, imo. People make mistakes all the time.

Even me. :laughin:

To be clearer, I thought she was wrong in assuming the origin of the facebook entry and running with it.

I didn't think she was wrong in general about what was written in the invitation. Had the circumstances of the invitation been slightly different, Joan would have been exactly right and proper to write what she wrote. Perhaps it would be better to say that I think she should have directed her words differently?

I can't know what Joan was thinking, of course. Maybe I (we) could have asked better questions of each other?

I think we all know that Joan is a strong willed (maybe even passionate :biggrin: ) person when she believes in something. We have all marveled at her writing skills here at one time or another.

I was in an argument or two with Joan way back when, although I cannot remember what it was over, and I really don't care. Again, people argue all the time. As long as there is no malice, arguments are generally a good thing.

Some of my best friends argue with me. :uhoh:

I sort of "knew" that Joan would be passionate (opinionated? :flow: ) about that facebook entry. I hoped she would contain that until more info was in, because I already suspected the story was not quite right.

So, I was not at all surprised by Joan's posts in this thread. She wouldn't be herself without such responses, imo.

Do I wish she had understood my posts as warnings that the story might not be all it was made out to be? I guess I'd have to say yes. Than again, maybe she did understand them, and who am I to "shush" her anyway?

Do I think I should have spoken louder? Possibly. But then who appointed me a member of the thread police?

Am I mad at Joan over this? No, not really.

Do I think Dan should have been put in time out? No.

Do I think that people jumped to conclusions about the story? Yes.

Do I think that people jumped to conclusions about each other? Yes.

But you have to know when to jump back...

I don't think anyone should leave, either. (Okay, let's be honest. I don't want anyone to leave.)

I think people were a little hasty on both sides in this thread, and both sides need to come toward each other and shake hands and promise to give each other a little more leeway when something controversial becomes the topic of discussion.

We should all direct some anger at the media...

Well, I hope I didn't ramble too much...
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I think this one was big and hurt some people and it's not going to be so easy to clean up.

That's what I think.

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Mar 3 2010, 01:26 PM
Actually, I was not dismayed by Joan's responses in this thread and I think it's about time I said so.

I did think she was wrong about the issue, but that's neither here nor there, imo. People make mistakes all the time.

Even me. :laughin:

To be clearer, I thought she was wrong in assuming the origin of the facebook entry and running with it.

I didn't think she was wrong in general about what was written in the invitation. Had the circumstances of the invitation been slightly different, Joan would have been exactly right and proper to write what she wrote. Perhaps it would be better to say that I think she should have directed her words differently?

I can't know what Joan was thinking, of course. Maybe I (we) could have asked better questions of each other?

I think we all know that Joan is a strong willed (maybe even passionate :biggrin: ) person when she believes in something. We have all marveled at her writing skills here at one time or another.

I was in an argument or two with Joan way back when, although I cannot remember what it was over, and I really don't care. Again, people argue all the time. As long as there is no malice, arguments are generally a good thing.

Some of my best friends argue with me. :uhoh:

I sort of "knew" that Joan would be passionate (opinionated? :flow: ) about that facebook entry. I hoped she would contain that until more info was in, because I already suspected the story was not quite right.

So, I was not at all surprised by Joan's posts in this thread. She wouldn't be herself without such responses, imo.

Do I wish she had understood my posts as warnings that the story might not be all it was made out to be? I guess I'd have to say yes. Than again, maybe she did understand them, and who am I to "shush" her anyway?

Do I think I should have spoken louder? Possibly. But then who appointed me a member of the thread police?

Am I mad at Joan over this? No, not really.

Do I think Dan should have been put in time out? No.

Do I think that people jumped to conclusions about the story? Yes.

Do I think that people jumped to conclusions about each other? Yes.

But you have to know when to jump back...

I don't think anyone should leave, either. (Okay, let's be honest. I don't want anyone to leave.)

I think people were a little hasty on both sides in this thread, and both sides need to come toward each other and shake hands and promise to give each other a little more leeway when something controversial becomes the topic of discussion.

We should all direct some anger at the media...

Well, I hope I didn't ramble too much...
With all the postings on this thread, why did Joan's post have to be dissected? I thought way one of the posters said about another poster was uncalled for and I am glad the moderator deleted same. I don't think posters have a right to attack other posters. Posting is a privledge. Send them a pm if you want.

I don't get it. Can't people disagree, but be civil about it?
Edited by brittany, Mar 3 2010, 03:14 PM.
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Behind every poster is a real person with feelings. The forum should be a democracy, but who would think it's acceptable to post mean and untruthful comments about someone who has contributed an awful lot.. Use your judgement. If that person who posted those comments is gone so be it. I won't miss them just like I don't miss being harassed about my typos.
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"With all the postings on this thread, why did Joan's post have to be dissected?"

The question could be asked conversely, couldn't it? One cannot make assumptions about what other posters think without expecting some sort of retort or explanation. Why is it so necessary to wear our feelings on our sleeves here?

Good post by the way, LTC.
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Mar 3 2010, 06:47 AM
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I agree as well. There have been some very hurtful things said about and toward some in the past month (both the Tiger Woods thread and this have engendered strong feeling that have not (and I will include myself in this as well) always been expressed in a civil tone. Perhaps the long, cold snowy winter (climate change not withstanding) has made some of us respond with a petulance that generally does characterize the level of civil, reasoned discussion that marks this board.

I do not want to see anyone leave. All have contributed time and again to challenge me to think about issues from different perspectives or have forced me to think about issues that I have not wanted to confront.
Nice post CKS. Yes, this thread reminds me of the Tiger thread that went off on tangents with posters accusing several members of condoning and supporting domestic violence. It became absurd. So I stopped posting on it. Now as we watched Tiger with his mea culpa speech and publicly stating his wife did nothing, it all was moot.

Don't people think before they post not necessarily opinions about things or articles, but other posters? I know sometimes I write things I have second thoughts about and then immediately or later self delete. As with many of us , I TRY to be a polite poster, so it bugs me when occassionally, I don't see others doing the same.
Edited by brittany, Mar 3 2010, 03:37 PM.
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