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Blogging the healthcare debate.
Topic Started: Feb 25 2010, 12:43 PM (1,128 Views)
LTC8K6
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http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/

Nice coverage. You can scroll down to where Obama opens the discussion and then catch up.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2459106/posts

Apparently there was video of Zer0 dozing off mid-debate, but it has been removed. Stills were captured, though.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/02/25/obama_looks_bored_at_health_care_summit.html

Zer0 is bored to death as the Repubs speak...
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http://michellemalkin.com/2010/02/25/blowhard-a-thon-at-blair-house-health-care-summit-open-thread/

I think Obama and the Dems are looking bad...

Obama testy and snippy at times. Claims his own speaking time doesn't count...
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Joan Foster

Republicans are jumping all over Obama’s backtracking during the morning session about whether his plan raises premiums. Here’s the exchange from early in the session where the president initially said that his proposal would not raise health care prices:

SEN. LAMAR ALEXANDER (R-TN): “The Congressional Budget Office report says that premiums will rise in the individual market as a result of the Senate bill.”
PRESIDENT OBAMA: “No, no, no, no. Let me — and this is an example of where we’ve got to get our facts straight.”

ALEXANDER: “That’s my point.”
OBAMA: “Well, exactly, so let me — let me respond to what you just said, Lamar, because it’s not factually accurate. Here’s what the Congressional Budget Office says. The costs for families for the same type of coverage that they’re currently receiving would go down 14 percent to 20 percent.”

But later in the session, after an aide handed the president a note, Obama admitted he had been wrong.

“What the Congressional Budget Office is saying is, is that if I now have the opportunity to actually buy a decent package inside the exchange, that costs me about 10% to 13% more but is actually real insurance, then there are going to be a bunch of people who take advantage of that. So yes, I’m paying 10% to 13% more because instead of buying an apple, I’m getting an orange.”

Rep. Tom Price, Georgia Republican, called it the “gaffe of the morning.”

http://dailycaller.com/
Edited by Joan Foster, Feb 25 2010, 01:44 PM.
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Joan Foster

Our President obviously does not know what he is talking about..even on this of all days.
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Representative Louise Slaughter - she heads the House Rules Committee and is a critic of the insurance industry. Today Rush Limbaugh quoted this woman as saying that health insurance was so expensive that she had a constituent who was wearing her deceased sister's false teeth. Rush commented that he was surprised that this was a problem given that libs are all about recycling - too funny.
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Joan Foster
Feb 25 2010, 01:46 PM
Our President obviously does not know what he is talking about..even on this of all days.
Looks like failure to discuss the topic was the original goal here.
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Joan Foster

– Republicans just e-mailed out their talk clock from the morning session. They say the president himself talked longer than all the Republican lawmakers combined. Here’s their count:

DEMOCRATS: 108 MINUTES
REPUBLICANS: 56 MINUTES
President Obama Spoke For 58 Minutes.
Democrats Spoke For 50 Minutes.
Republicans Spoke For 56 Minutes.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/02/25/live-blogging-the-white-house-health-care-summit/

Edited by Joan Foster, Feb 25 2010, 02:38 PM.
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Now the Zero is saying that everyone will be forced to buy health insurance. So now for the first time in history you are forced to buy something just to be an American.
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Biden says, we don't have enough doc's. So what will happen when some of those doc's threatening to quit medicine, quit? Along with another 40 million more patients, where are we going to go for health care? Sounds great, I have all the insurance I need but I don't have a doctor to go too.
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My husband needs a hernia operation and he has had to wait a month to see the surgeon. We don't even have Obamacare yet - I hate to see what it will be like when they add 30 million more people.

Even if Obamacare lowered premiums a bit, higher taxes will replace that. This all just seems like a big Medicaid expansion bill. Why don't they address the reasons hospitals charge so much for testing? $6500 for an MRI. I thought they wanted to get costs down.
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Joan Foster

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzM4MDZlYjI3Y2M5YjhjOTA2ZTY1ZDcyNzYwNzliNTM=

Things could surely change this afternoon, but so far it is hard to see how the Democrats are doing themselves anything but harm with the health-care summit.

Beyond particular observations about individual exchanges or moments I would say the morning’s session suggests three broad points. First, the Democrats appear to have no particular purpose in mind for this event. They’re not driving anywhere, or making a clear individual case, while Republicans clearly want to get across the point that we should scrap the current bills and start over in pursuit of a few incremental steps. The Democrats may have thought that simply putting the spotlight on Republicans when the subject is health care would make the GOP look bad. But Republicans so far seem prepared enough and focused enough to avoid that, and to make the Democrats look rather aimless by comparison.

Second, the Democrats are going to great lengths to argue that their bill incorporates some Republican ideas—by which they mean that it includes insurance exchanges and the like—suggesting that this means they are moving in the direction of Republicans and toward some middle ground. They fail to see (or to acknowledge) that while some similar mechanisms may be proposed by wonks on both sides, Republicans and Democrats in fact want to move in nearly opposite directions from our current health-care arrangements: Republicans toward a genuine individual market and Democrats toward a greater socialization of costs. That makes a great deal of what Obama and the Democrats said this morning basically meaningless. (This is a point I tried to argue more fully in this space a while back.)

Third, an important part of the Democrats’ problem is that Obama himself is their only star, and this format is not working for him. He certainly seems engaged and well informed (even given a few misstatements of fact, at least one of which John Kyl made very clear.) But he doesn’t seem like the President of the United States—more like a slightly cranky committee chairman or a patronizing professor who thinks that saying something is “a legitimate argument” is a way to avoid having an argument. He is diminished by the circumstances, he’s cranky and prickly when challenged, and he’s got no one to help him. The other Democrats around the table have been worse than unimpressive. The Republicans seem genuinely well-prepared, seem to have thought through the question of who should speak about what rather carefully, and several of them have done quite a good job making their case against the Democrats’ approach. If we were to judge by debating points, Republicans certainly won the morning handily.

It’s easy to dismiss all this by saying no one is watching anyway, but that’s not quite true. The purpose of this spectacle is not so much to move the public as to move Democratic members of Congress—to create some momentum that might last long enough to help wavering Democrats cast a very painful vote. That audience very likely is watching, and they are seeing their leadership fail to make a straightforward case for the Democratic approach to health care, or to respond to the most basic Republican objections about high costs, excessive spending, overregulation, and the effect of this plan on American families. They are managing to lose an argument about health care to Republican members of Congress—no mean feat.

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Edited by Joan Foster, Feb 25 2010, 03:23 PM.
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/02/025683.php

Good reviews for Repubs...
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Now we have Henry Waxman, talking about letters he recieved.
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