| Newsweek on Crystal Mangum; New Article by Susannah Meadows | |
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| sdsgo | Feb 24 2010, 12:44 AM Post #16 |
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“Thank your grandpa for my nice cotton shirt!" Why was it OK for black Chris Rock to pronounce those words, when the same utterance by a white Duke freshman constituted unforgivable sin? Or why did the national media circle their wagons around the Duke campus for months on end? Yet today Crystal languishes in a Durham jail cell for want of a $250K bail. Political correctness and exploitation. I think that sums it up. Interesting article. |
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| MikeZPU | Feb 24 2010, 01:08 AM Post #17 |
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Suzannah Meadows was having email exchanges with Nifong during those early days of the hoax/frame; she was on a first-name basis with Nifong. Until June 13, 2006 when she sent this email to Nifong:
Edited by MikeZPU, Feb 24 2010, 01:23 AM.
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| mike in houston | Feb 24 2010, 02:00 AM Post #18 |
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She seems to not be able to get her facts right, As I understand it CGM is still in jail. |
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| Photios | Feb 24 2010, 03:03 AM Post #19 |
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Also, she omits to name the viciously racist NCCU student she quotes: Chan Hall. |
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| cks | Feb 24 2010, 06:22 AM Post #20 |
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Absolutely. The reporter failed to write that there were other racial epithets uttered - and they were not uttered by whites but about whites. While I would agree that Mangum is a pathetic and obviously sick woman, the fact is that the Durham authorities had it within their power to take the legal steps that might have gotten Mangum the help that she so desparately needs. However, in their rush and determination to frame three innocent young men, they used Mangum as their vehicle to promote a narrative of powerfully connected, rich, white, northern boys yet again taking sexual advantage of a helpless, poor, black woman. To even suggest that Mangum might have psychological issues would have called into question that narrative. I hope that Mangum's defenders (Nifong, Cline, Victoria Pederson, etc.) all sleep a little less comfortably thinking about Mangum and especially her children who have borne the consequences of their mother's inability to deal with reality. Let it never be forgotten that the real victims were RCD - thye had their lives and the lieves of their families changed inalterably forever by the accusations of Ms. Mangum and the actions of those who were so intent (for both personal and social reasons) to pursue a narrative of race and class. Ms. Meadows for all her reporting seems to lose sight that that was the real travesty. Shame on her. |
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| cks | Feb 24 2010, 06:25 AM Post #21 |
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Did she not study any English? What is it with the failure to capitalize when capitalization is required? |
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| Joan Foster | Feb 24 2010, 06:29 AM Post #22 |
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Thomas Sowell has a terrific op-ed today that almost serves as a counterpoint to this "mushy" thinking (his great word.) He writes about personal responsibility and "apologies." http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/02/24/too_many_apologies_104540.html A sampling: "For more than a century, the intelligentsia have been trying to get us to focus on the "root causes" of crime-- supposedly created by "society"-- instead of locking up thieves or executing murderers. If some people don't have the money or the achievements of others, that too is society's fault, in the eyes of those for whom personal responsibility is an outmoded idea. Personal responsibility is a real problem for those who want to collectivize society and take away our power to make our own decisions, transferring that power to third parties like themselves, who imagine themselves to be so much wiser and nobler than the rest of us. Aimless apologies are just one of the incidental symptoms of an increasing loss of a sense of personal responsibility-- without which a whole society is in jeopardy. The police cannot possibly maintain law and order by themselves. Millions of people can monitor their own behavior better than any third parties can. Cops can cope with that segment of society who have no sense of personal responsibility, but not if that segment becomes a large part of the whole population. Yet increasing numbers of educators and the intelligentsia seem to have devoted themselves to undermining or destroying a sense of personal responsibility and making "society" responsible instead. Aimless apologies are just one small symptom of this larger and more dangerous attitude." And about apologies he has this wisdom: "Among the most absurd apologies have been apologies for slavery by politicians. For one thing, slavery is not something you can apologize for, any more than you can apologize for murder. If someone says to you that he murdered someone near and dear to you, what are you supposed to say? "No problem, we all make mistakes"? Not bloody likely! Slavery is too serious for an apology and somebody else being a slaveowner is not something for you to apologize for. When somebody who has never owned a slave apologizes for slavery to somebody who has never been a slave, then what began as mushy thinking has degenerated into theatrical absurdity-- or, worse yet, politics. Slavery has existed all over the planet for thousands of years, with black, white, yellow and other races being both slaves and enslavers. Does that mean that everybody ought to apologize to everybody else for what their ancestors did? Or are the only people who are supposed to feel guilty the ones who have money that others want to talk them out of? This craze for aimless apologies is part of a general loss of a sense of personal responsibility in our time. We are supposed to feel guilty for what other people did but there are a thousand cop-outs for what we ourselves did to those we did it to." |
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| abb | Feb 24 2010, 06:39 AM Post #23 |
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For those who don't have the time to read all of Meadows' psychobabble: "Crystial is still the victim." |
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| Lodge Pro 345 | Feb 24 2010, 06:43 AM Post #24 |
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. Absolutely. Did anyone in the media ever write a critical word about Chan Hall or Sammie Hummel? |
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| Lodge Pro 345 | Feb 24 2010, 06:59 AM Post #25 |
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. MUST SEE VIDEO She spent 4 weeks at Duke/Durham and this is what she got? I just can't believe that. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1535559n Outrageous! It took me 5 minutes to get stories about Nifong's temper, arrogance, and need to win. Crystal smiling when leaving post-gang rape is Not significant! . |
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| Joan Foster | Feb 24 2010, 07:20 AM Post #26 |
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Remember during the Romantic period , the idealization of "natural" man...the "noble savage" concept? Some day, historians will look back on this period we are living through and see that Academia, popular culture, and the "Intelligensia" have been pushing something very much like this with the race and class narrative. Any episode of Law and Order teaches you that the rich are amoral, cunning, devious and often murderous. So it must collectively be with the "swaggering" sons of privilege on the Lacrosse team at Duke. Likewise the poor, because they are society's victims are imbued with some natural goodness and nobleness. They must not be held accountable. They must be cossetted, pitied, excused. So it shall ever be with Mangum. By this theory, a child that starts out Black and poor...has no sin till society corrupts him with it's unfairness. But a child who starts out white and privileged, is born a creep...and raised to enhance his creep-dom. Mangum's sins exist ONLY because she is society's victim; if she had been raped by rich white boys...well, that would be well, just because those boys were rotten to the core. Mangum can never be viewed as harshly as the Lacrosse team...never. Nor can the Lacrosse team ever receive the whitewash she is supposedly entitled to. Look at the way those animals who shot Eve Carson in the street like a dog...were treated by the MSM. Now, in the latter case Carson and the savage murderers are ALL victims; in the Lacrosse case..nope...only one victim there. That's the disparity. The tragedy is...it is ruining those it intends to spare. Creating absolute amoral unfeeling monsters. Someone like Mangum is never asked to consider how her actions impact others: her victims , her children! Likewise someone like Chan Hall...or worse like the vermin that killed Eve Carson...are worthy enough, no matter what...for us to fish around for societal excuses. After all, goes, this concept...they would not be racists or brutal killers if you and I had not contaminated them. They taught Meadows well at Duke. She can't relate this story without working in some blame for the Lacrosse Team and some sympathy for Mangum. Mangum IMO has become a "sympathy" junkie... another drug of choice that gets her what she needs. So freakin' WHAT, that her parents home needs siding! Producive moral people grow up in railroad shacks or huts in third world countries....where indoor toilets and running water are signs of great largesse. Maybe someone should put Mangum's carcass in one of those countries, working with her hands for the REAL poor! The only thing "hanging in the air" for me is this yet another example of the mindset indoctrinating our children. Edited by Joan Foster, Feb 24 2010, 07:24 AM.
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| Lodge Pro 345 | Feb 24 2010, 07:35 AM Post #27 |
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. Great points Joan! Factor in the incredible Politically correct pressure (and policing) where anyone with half-a-brain feels obligated to show emotion/empathy to some - and the others are there to be publicly derided. I remember seeing Jane Velez-Mitchell on CNN and their other network really screaming about three black students that were accused of sexual assault. The girl falsely accused them for cover from her boyfriend. It took them like 3-4 days to clear the black students, but she got on the air and was totally indignant. She showed each picture of the falsely accused - and she said how sweet and beautiful they are, and how she knew by looking at them that something was wrong with this from the beginning. Her anger and outrage for the woman was palpable. The kids did have group sex with the woman and they wouldn't answer some questions - and she apologized to them for other reporters invading their privacy. You couldn't buy a moral judgment in that case, not in a million years. Nobody cared about beer in that case. . |
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| Joan Foster | Feb 24 2010, 07:51 AM Post #28 |
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I have worked with people in some of the poorest neighborhoods and some very affluent neighborhoods. There are troubled children of every "class" and skin hue. There are mean kids of every class and skin hue. Poverty or wealth does not make you better of worse. Neither "natural state" nor any skin hue...gives you a conscience, a work ethic, a sense of empathy or personal responsibility. IMO opinion, those are the qualities that create success in our society. And material wealth is not a necessary ingredient for a happy successful life. I know children who were raised with little that are happy productive adults. I know ones who have trust funds, who, other than materially, are bums. Mangum had a stable home with parents who seem to still be caring for her. Our society afforded her an education to better herself. Many, many young single mothers work several jobs to get their college degree...they do not troll the streets every night, debasing their bodies, "vibrating" for strangers..only those who want "easy money." Mangum wants it all...EASY. Mangum is lazy. She a "gimm-me" type...she is the one with the sense of "entitlement." She is the one infected with that cold sense of "I'm owed" that allows her to destroy others lies to get what SHE wants. And where did she get that sense of entitlement? She is the human embodiment of all this PC nonsense..their poster girl. This is what all that malicious gobbleygook in the Angry Studies of our universities creates...the leech, the Gimm-me Girl...Crystal Mangum. "I'm getting some money from those white boys." Edited by Joan Foster, Feb 24 2010, 07:54 AM.
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| Bill Anderson | Feb 24 2010, 08:10 AM Post #29 |
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This memo is a real outrage, and what she is saying is that all Mikey had to do was to say a few things to contradict the facts, and that would take care of everything. Lest anyone think that Newsweek, or the NY Times, Washington Post, or any other MSM outlet was looking for "facts," I think this memo pretty much speaks for all who were involved in the frame. They wanted the charges to be true, and despite the fact that the laws of science and logic were against them, they continued to march into the wall. Reade Seligmann was a few miles away when Nifong claimed he was raping Crystal? No problem. Arrest the cabdriver. (Notice that Meadows never questioned the Elmostafa arrest.) The players ejaculated all over Dearest Crystal and left no DNA? Hey, no problem. Mikey has the answer: But I'm sure that's because we haven't heard your side. Think about that statement, people. In other words, she was telling Mikey to tell more lies, and that she and Jon Meacham would cover for him. As for the "racial slur," she forgets that the "dancers" had scammed the players for $800 and people were arguing about the money. When Kim made her slur, a player returned in kind. It was not an appropriate statement, obviously, but nonetheless people say lots of inappropriate things when they are angry. These are sickening people. On another note, I am doing a review of Alex S. Jones' new book, Losing the News, which is a defense of the MSM, and makes claims that if we lose the present business model of the MSM, all will be lost. I have known the guy for 32 years, worked for him, and have been a reporter, not to mention I have written a lot on newspapers, including my doctoral dissertation. By the way, he fails to mention the Duke Lacrosse Case. Gee, I wonder why.
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| abb | Feb 24 2010, 08:23 AM Post #30 |
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Bill, you are entirely too kind. This book is another whiny diatribe bemoaning the fact that the State-Run Media no longer controls the distribution of information. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/books/review/Evans-t.html LOSING THE NEWS The Future of the News That Feeds Democracy By Alex S. Jones http://www.losingthenews.com/ |
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