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Zer0 never attended Columbia?
Topic Started: Feb 9 2010, 09:30 AM (3,200 Views)
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I think "Steve" has a lot of explaining to do. Right now there is precious little corroborated or documented evidence about many of the claims being made about his past. Being the skeptic that I am, I'm not buying much of it. I do so enjoy conspiracy theories and I'm thoroughly enjoying this one. It is hard to take seriously some of the claims, but it also makes it hard to take him seriously as a person considering all the secrecy.

The obfuscation of his past smells to high heaven and unless proven otherwise I will continue to see him as a joke and a fake. He has demonstrated his lack of management skills and his intellect is no better than average. I believe the uncertainty about him makes him dangerous. In the meantime, I intend to continue to participate in and be entertained by all the speculation. The only way to make it stop is to cough up the evidence and answer the questions.
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Carolyn says
Feb 11 2010, 11:33 AM
Duke parent 2004
Feb 11 2010, 11:00 AM
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Feb 11 2010, 09:55 AM
I think the point is is not whether he attended Coulmbia or not. It is as CKS says "Too little knowledge too late."

To me the question is what did he study?
Let’s assume we learn what courses Obama took at Columbia almost thirty years ago. Then what? Should we presume that he uncritically absorbed everything he read or heard in those courses?

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Oh, Lord. Duke Parent - please, with my blessings, submit your resume to Eric Holder as his assistant. It will be a match made in heaven.

When a terrorist is dragged off the plane in Detroit, with his undies still smoking, you will then be able to rush to his side and with a comforting hand on his shoulder, turn to the shaken passengers on that plane and chastise them with your learned speech. "Oh, let's assume we learn that this man flew to Pakistan and actually met with Al Qaeda some months ago. Then what? Should we presume that he uncritically absorbed everything he read or heard in those meetings?"

Yessiree, THAT will put those passengers in their place.




As an undergraduate I majored in political science. Among the courses I took were several in socialism and modern revolutionary theory. Among the books I had to slog through were Marx’s Communist Manifesto, Sorel’s Reflections on Violence, and Gramsci’s The Modern Prince. A more virulent threesome would be hard to arrive at for those of us who prefer liberal democracy to the collectivism that marked so much of the 20th Century and that has yet to depart the scene.

So, if someone were to get a list of the courses I took as an undergraduate, a list that showed those books as required reading, what should he conclude about me? My answer: probably not a whole lot.

I’ll leave it to others here to make what they will of your conflating my argument with terrorists making trips to Pakistan and consorting with Al Qaeda.

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Many kids were shuttled in and out of many classes, I get that.

Majors usually tell us something - a pattern would tell us something, a class schedule or concentration would tell something.

If it's a class here or there - what percentage of Columbia students in those days took those classes?

. Layoff the personal stuff. `


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So, if someone were to get a list of the courses I took as an undergraduate, a list that showed those books as required reading, what should he conclude about me? My answer: probably not a whole lot.


Then what do you care if I get such information about you? What do you care what conclusions I draw from it about you? What's it to you if I get you completely wrong in my conclusions? What's it to you if I wrongly conclude that you are a communist?

Why does Obama care if I look at his class lists and scream "Communist!" in the streets? Especially if my conclusion is wrong...

I just don't get it...

I would just look stupid, and Obama still wouldn't be a communist...
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That's always been my problem about Obama, then again the only thing you need to be elected POTUS, it to be a "natural born citizen". Zero's schooling really shouldn't matter, he BS'ed his way into the office. The MSM, never looked into or questioned his education, they just assumed he was more intelligent, then anyone alive. Some of us here had him figured out before he was even elected, but if you look at the people that voted for him, all some cared about is what he was going to give them, like money from his stash or paying people's mortgage's or gasing thier cars up. I never bought any of that BS.

Most of us have to have a work history, a collegiate history, including grades, in most cases a birth certificate for proof of age and sometimes citizenship. To be POTUS all you need is a birth certificate and get people to vote for you, that's what Obama did, got the votes. We have elected someone with zero credentials, with full support of the CPUSA Now when we have the absolute gaul to question any of it, it's taboo, off limits, racist, etc. I feel sorry for the future of this country and the futures of our children and grand children. Zero is leading this country over a cliff and I for one don't like it.
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Duke parent 2004
Feb 11 2010, 12:19 PM
Carolyn says
Feb 11 2010, 11:33 AM
Duke parent 2004
Feb 11 2010, 11:00 AM
Baldo
Feb 11 2010, 09:55 AM
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As an undergraduate I majored in political science. Among the courses I took were several in socialism and modern revolutionary theory. Among the books I had to slog through were Marx’s Communist Manifesto, Sorel’s Reflections on Violence, and Gramsci’s The Modern Prince. A more virulent threesome would be hard to arrive at for those of us who prefer liberal democracy to the collectivism that marked so much of the 20th Century and that has yet to depart the scene.

So, if someone were to get a list of the courses I took as an undergraduate, a list that showed those books as required reading, what should he conclude about me? My answer: probably not a whole lot.

I’ll leave it to others here to make what they will of your conflating my argument with terrorists making trips to Pakistan and consorting with Al Qaeda.
:angel:

Sigh - now I realize why LTC uses this :bump: to describe the utter frustration of trying to have an honest argument with you. You don't get it, Duke Parent, because you don't want to.

We are asking questions of the Manchurian Candidate in the White House because he has the power to destroy us and our country. But you're only concerned with turning this into a word game wherein you type convoluted sentences (every other one of which ends with the boast "I taught college.") whose sole purpose is to show off how clever you are at catching the teeny tiny mistakes of others and then humiliating them in the process. (And yes, we did get that demeaning "It took me all of 2 minutes to discover something" putdown of yours.) Well, whooptedo, Duke Parent - you taught college, you've got three daughters whom you put through university, your floor is filled with books, you can't remember the students you taught, you read some controversial books while in school, etc. Yada yada yada. But that's not the point. This isn't about you. This is about someone else - a very dangerous someone else who is accompanied everywhere he goes by a military officer carrying the 'football' that could make us all glow in the dark. And we are frightened because that 'football' is in the control of a person we know nothing about. This isn't a game, Duke Parent. This isn't a 'gotcha' contest, this isn't about seeing how convoluted you can make your sentences or how many unfamiliar words you can insert just to show how clever you are - it is not about you. It is about Obama. It is the world and the people and the nation he can destroy because he has the power to. This is about the mysterious man who has terrifying powers - and we do not know who he is.

This isn't about you - and it isn't about me. This is about Obama who has the power to destroy the citizens of this nation, this nation itself and indeed the very world. This is serious. This is NOT a word game.

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Duke parent thinks I'm paranoid about Obama, I guess.

Fine, assume that I'm paranoid about Obama's upbringing, schooling, and political ideology.

Now confront my paranoia with the facts...

Help me get over it...
Edited by LTC8K6, Feb 11 2010, 01:26 PM.
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Let's pose this in a different way. Some twenty years from now we have a person running for President from Duke University. Did he study Engineering? Or did he study "Critical Studies at the John Hope Franklin Center?" The mere statement Obama studied Political Science at Columbia doesn't tell me much.

It would be big difference if I knew he studied under Profs Neal, Baker, Hollaway, and Lubiano. We all stress the importance of education. It is more important what we studied. Of course I would be far more interested in what a candidate's political thinking is, what was his history of work, or what was his voting records in office after he left college

Frankly I don't care if Obama attended Columbia at this time, we are long past that train leaving the station.

However whenever you have a vacuum the air rushes in to fill it. I still find it interesting the vacuum that is Obama's past still exists. Perhaps it is meaningless, but it is nevertheless interesting as a topic.

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Feb 11 2010, 01:37 PM
Let's pose this in a different way. Some twenty years from now we have a person running for President from Duke University. Did he study Engineering? Or did he study "Critical Studies at the John Hope Franklin Center?" The mere statement Obama studied Political Science at Columbia doesn't tell me much.

It would be big difference if I knew he studied under Profs Neal, Baker, Hollaway, and Lubiano. We all stress the importance of education. It is more important what we studied. Of course I would be far more interested in what a candidate's political thinking is, what was his history of work, or what was his voting records in office after he left college

Frankly I don't care if Obama attended Columbia at this time, we are long past that train leaving the station.

However whenever you have a vacuum the air rushes in to fill it. I still find it interesting the vacuum that is Obama's past still exists. Perhaps it is meaningless, but it is nevertheless interesting as a topic.


Bingo, Baldo! (Sorry - couldn't resist.)

To me, it all comes down to the fact that a person never hides their good, only their bad. Obama is hiding his Columbia records. 'Nuff said.

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Remember when everyone was saying how much smarter John (The Hat) Kerry was than George Bush? Remember when their transcripts were released and Kerry, IIRC, had a slightly lower GPA than GW? :biggrin: :biggrin: It sure put a crimp in the argument about gentleman C Bush and intellectual Kerry. The funny thing about that is that Bush never pushed that he was some intellectual while Kerry did.

Now, two reasons I would like to see Obama's transcripts (including his grades.)

1. I would be interested to see if he had any courses in economics. (I still use my knowledge gleened from my econ courses many many years ago)

2. I would like to see his GPA, only to know if it is low, that David Brooks might soil his creased pants. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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What we're actually talking about is how the public persona of our president, Barack Obama, was fraudulently framed by his campaign and the enabling media.

"Do you agree w/ Pres historian Michael Beschloss that Obama is the "most intelligent" President in history ? ?
Historian Michael Beschloss was on Don Imus’ radio show this AM. He repeatedly referred to Obama's IQ level and his intelligence, and on at least two occasions declared that Obama was “the most intelligent president in the history of the US, and that his IQ is off the charts.”

Imus asked him what his IQ was.
Beschloss: “I actually don’t know, but it’s probably really high, don’t you think?”


So....Obama’s IQ and none of his college or graduate school records have been released, but somehow that is irrelevant. He is the Bestest President EVAH! Doncha think ???? "


Whether or not he actually went to class at Columbia (a possibility, since the days are long over when they took attendance in college) is immaterial. Obama's need to lock up ALL of his records before he appeared in Chicago is disturbing on a variety of levels.
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You can be an idiot and score well on an IQ test...
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Feb 11 2010, 02:53 PM
What we're actually talking about is how the public persona of our president, Barack Obama, was fraudulently framed by his campaign and the enabling media.

"Do you agree w/ Pres historian Michael Beschloss that Obama is the "most intelligent" President in history ? ?
Historian Michael Beschloss was on Don Imus’ radio show this AM. He repeatedly referred to Obama's IQ level and his intelligence, and on at least two occasions declared that Obama was “the most intelligent president in the history of the US, and that his IQ is off the charts.”

Imus asked him what his IQ was.
Beschloss: “I actually don’t know, but it’s probably really high, don’t you think?”


So....Obama’s IQ and none of his college or graduate school records have been released, but somehow that is irrelevant. He is the Bestest President EVAH! Doncha think ???? "


Whether or not he actually went to class at Columbia (a possibility, since the days are long over when they took attendance in college) is immaterial. Obama's need to lock up ALL of his records before he appeared in Chicago is disturbing on a variety of levels.

The most intelligent President ever?

All I can say to that is to repeat what JFK said the night he and Jackie hosted guests who were all Nobel laureates. "I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered at the White House - with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

(In my opinion, if a certain 'community organizer' had sat at the same table as the man from Monticello, the IQ would have been lowered .)


Edited by Carolyn says, Feb 11 2010, 03:13 PM.
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The Trial, Did Zero, go to Columbia? Columbia Will Plead Not Guilty With Propaganda.

http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=6027

Perhap Duke Parent may want to attend.
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Feb 11 2010, 03:56 PM
The Trial, Did Zero, go to Columbia? Columbia Will Plead Not Guilty With Propaganda.

http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=6027

Perhap Duke Parent may want to attend.
Part 1 on the trial of Obama, did he go to Columbia?

http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=5893
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