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| Quasimodo | Feb 8 2010, 01:15 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/02/08/do_colleges_redline_asian_americans/ Do colleges redline Asian-Americans? By Kara Miller February 8, 2010 (snip) Notably, 1,623 - out of a possible 2,400 - not only separates Asians from other minorities (Hispanics and blacks average 1,364 and 1,276 on the SAT, respectively). The score also puts them ahead of Caucasians, who average 1,581. And the consequences of this are stark. Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade, who reviewed data from 10 elite colleges, writes in “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal’’ that Asian applicants typically need an extra 140 points to compete with white students. In fact, according to Princeton lecturer Russell Nieli, there may be an “Asian ceiling’’ at Princeton, a number above which the admissions office refuses to venture. (snip) But would Yale be willing to make 50 percent of its freshman class Asian? Probably not. Indeed, as Princeton’s Nieli suggests, most elite universities appear determined to keep their Asian-American totals in a narrow range. Yale’s class of 2013 is 15.5 percent Asian-American, compared with 16.1 percent at Dartmouth, 19.1 percent at Harvard, and 17.6 percent at Princeton. “There are a lot of poor Asians, immigrant kids,’’ says University of Oregon physics professor Stephen Hsu, who has written about the admissions process. “But generally that story doesn’t do as much as it would for a non-Asian student. Statistically, it’s true that Asians generally have to get higher scores than others to get in.’’ In a country built on individual liberty and promise, that feels deeply unfair. If a teenager spends much time studying, excels at an instrument or sport, and garners wonderful teacher recommendations, should he be punished for being part of a high-achieving group? Are his accomplishments diminished by the fact that people he has never met - but who look somewhat like him - also work hard? (snip) Hsu argues it’s time to tackle this issue, rather than defer it, as Asians’ superior performance will likely persist. “This doesn’t seem to be changing. You can see the same thing with Jews. They’ve outperformed other ethnic groups for the past 100 years.’’ Which leaves us with two vexing questions: Are we willing to trade personal empowerment for a more palatable group dynamic? And when - if ever - should we give credit where credit is due? [Culture counts. There's a world of difference between a Chinese-American, a Vietnamese-American, a Japanese-American, and a Singapore student. But the one thing they all have in common as regards ecucation, is a background culture which venerated and demanded STUDY. ] |
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| kbp | Feb 8 2010, 01:42 PM Post #2 |
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I'd feel safe saying the "1,623 - out of a possible 2,400" resulting of that culture reflects what we all should consider as the biggest factor in education and success - FAMILY. While I feel very "family" oriented, they have me beat. |
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| Texas Mom | Feb 8 2010, 03:25 PM Post #3 |
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Agreed. The top ten GPA's in one of my kids' grades in high school were Asian girls (Chinese, Viet Namese, and Japanese- btw, they did NOT like being lumped together as "Asians"). One had a GPA of 106 and SATs of 1600 (when that was a perfect score)- the 106 came about because she had completed all of the math offered at the school and took some college classes while still in high school. Four of the girls were admitted to Harvard. All played an instrument, one was a gifted writer, one was a pretty good softball player. All of these girls worked hard and all had very involved parents- too much so, in some cases. Some had parents whose English was not especially good. Edited by Texas Mom, Feb 8 2010, 04:52 PM.
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| Sherp | Feb 8 2010, 09:59 PM Post #4 |
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That was also true of my kids when they graduated from McLean HS. The Asian kids were 4.0 plus plus plus. In the 70s when 7/11 were closing in the country due to robbery and homicide, one of our local stores was bought by a Vietnamese family just over from Saigon. They had Gandma and mother in the kitchen making the sandwiches and food. The Grandfather and older kids worked the cash register while the Dad and Uncles provided security, stocking and the muscle work. All those kids went to University of their choice. What a hard working group. Many came to work in our Press Room at the WP and quickly became Supervisors and Managers. Edited by Sherp, Feb 8 2010, 10:04 PM.
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| Concerned | Feb 8 2010, 11:10 PM Post #5 |
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Maybe Obama would care to weigh in on the college admittance problem. According to 0, he wants to see to it that every child in America has the same opportunity that he had. SO, maybe he should just sign an executive order that all students receiving (what was 0's SAT again?) XXXX SAT get admitted to Yale - or Columbia - or whatever. Maybe it's time 0bama put his money where his mouth is.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/08/eveningnews/main6187563.shtml?tag=stack With all the money we've spent on Pork, how many Ivy League schools could have been built? He wants to make sure every kid in America can ascend to the highest office in the land? What is he smoking? |
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