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So why EXACTLY was Obama preceived to be..; presidental material????
Topic Started: Feb 6 2010, 01:20 PM (2,162 Views)
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The serious Media elite actually said that his Presidential campaign was his experience for President. His many campaign stops (events), which were mostly filled with rabid groupies, was enough because he repeatedly answered all the policy questions and came off impressing them so.

The Media kept the Question of Qualifications at bay, but his campaign run was the closest they came to answering it.

It is really frightening - and it was then. Many of us were posting - look at the condition of the country and look at what he will do when given the reigns. Of course, many voted for him saying that he would do something other as President than he claimed for 18-20 months on the campaign trail.

I think it became about that self-esteem feel good boost of being an Obama, being part of the event and fanfare.

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Does anyone remember Dennis Miller?

I am a fan of the man, he said. People that didn't agree with his politics, just said they were a fan of "the man."

Donald Trump said the same thing.

Newt Gingrich was in love. O'Reilly was in heat.

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I have maintained that had Obama been a white candidate he probably would not have won the election. His race played a large role in swaying voters. He positioned himself as a "post racial" candidate (nothing further from the truth), a fresh face who wanted to change the game in Washington (again nothing further from the truth), he made huge promises he knew he could not keep (lowering taxes for the middle-class, bringing troops home from Iraq, closing Gitmo, creating jobs, taking on Wall Street), all popular ideas especially with the left. He had a huge turn out of black voters who will again come out in 2012. This is the constituency he needs to maintain - those who vote but do not pay taxes. Increasingly, that number is getting larger by design.

He was successful of setting up a strawman every time someone challenged him, it became an issue of race. Therefore, the conservative press were reluctant to go after him. Sean Hannity was about the only media person willing to take the hit.
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Feb 6 2010, 02:20 PM
I have maintained that had Obama been a white candidate he probably would not have won the election. His race played a large role in swaying voters. He positioned himself as a "post racial" candidate (nothing further from the truth), a fresh face who wanted to change the game in Washington (again nothing further from the truth), he made huge promises he knew he could not keep (lowering taxes for the middle-class, bringing troops home from Iraq, closing Gitmo, creating jobs, taking on Wall Street, all popular ideas especially with the left. He had a huge turn out of black voters who will again come out in 2012. This is the constituency he needs to maintain - those who vote but do not pay taxes. Increasinly, that number is getting larger by design.
If he was white, they would've looked at his resume and the others (Dems) would've attacked his weak background unmercifully.

In an earlier post I said it was frightening and I mean that, that someone can get out there and based on just saying I will do this great thing, and I'll do that great thing, and I bring you this, and bring you that - they could get elected like this.

People falling down at the feet of a charismatic liar (snake oil dealer).

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"But WHAT were the reasons he was deemed to be qualified?"

The best I can imagine is he was the lesser of two evils in the minds of the fence-line voters that got him elected - damage unknown at the time.
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It's no coincidence that Barack Owebama is now calling for people to turn off Fox and CNN, and turn off the blogs, turn away from political coverage.

They've identified they need to protect the illusion.

The WH is thinking about Reelection - that is the prime objective already.

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At least if we'd get past the uncertainties, one would know whether to go long or short.
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Feb 6 2010, 02:28 PM
"But WHAT were the reasons he was deemed to be qualified?"

The best I can imagine is he was the lesser of two evils in the minds of the fence-line voters that got him elected - damage unknown at the time.
Well. of course, that presumes that no record of achievement is a safer path to election in this country than possessing an actual record.

And so it proved to be here...because he could be conceived to be any and all things any voter wished.

I am also starting to believe that these polls that show he remains personally popular while his policies are very UNPOPULAR...are just the last vestiges of our politically correct culture. People do not want to say they dislike HIM. It makes us feel uncomfortable..oooh...it could be conceived as..."racist" not to like this unqualified, arrogant Buffoon...so I'll say HE"S great...I just don't care for what he espouses.

Yeah, right.
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I think that in the minds of many more moderate Republicans (some I heard from), Bush was blamed for being too quick at "finishing the job his dad left us", the new debt levels came about under W's command, McCain was the wrong candidate and a few thought O was intelligent.

That PC factor had to have also weighed in on any using those OR OTHER reasons to vote for O.

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I don't have a lot of faith in the American electorate.

And, yes, many of the dynamics that led to Obamania are still there to be exploited.

If Obama can talk Colin Powell into running as VP, they'll win by an historic margin.

People were polled years ago and Colin Powell polled ridiculously high numbers. The people being polled couldn't tell you his position on anything, but they loved him.

Those polls didn't go unnoticed by the Chicago squad that launched Obama.

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Feb 6 2010, 02:47 PM
I think that in the minds of many more moderate Republicans (some I heard from), Bush was blamed for being too quick at "finishing the job his dad left us", the new debt levels came about under W's command, McCain was the wrong candidate and a few thought O was intelligent.

That PC factor had to have also weighed in on any using those OR OTHER reasons to vote for O.

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The thing about Bush being responsible for the deficit is a red herring though.

I'm not a big fan, but the Dems wanted to spend twice as much as he did - and Obama voted Yes for every spendng bill put in front of him.

Then there's that chart (I think Baldo's has it) and it shows the Red line squirting into space around the time Obama stepped in. Obama was a huge advocate of TARP and he spent half of it. A closer examination shows that Obama can't separate himself from that spending.

The Dems' answer to Bush's prescription plan - was one that cost twice as much.

Then there's Congress, as you know, all appropriations come from Congress.

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O has 4 years to change course on where he's been trying to take us, or I'd expect him to finally have a record for voters to not only read about but to have also experienced it. Lets hope if O keeps it up, the record sinks in and doesn't end up with a blind following by the victims, sort of like FDR got.
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I did not mean to blame Bush, it was just what happened under his watch that the public saw.
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Feb 6 2010, 02:54 PM
I did not mean to blame Bush, it was just what happened under his watch that the public saw.
Yes, I do understand you were stating the feeling by a portion of the electorate, I've done the same thing.

The media doesn't delve into it because the answers are not what they want to hear.

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Russia rejects sanctions on Iran's economy

Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:06:42 GMT
Russia has indicated that it will agree to any new sanctions against Iran only if the punitive measures target the country's nuclear program and not its economy.
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OT some, but I believe it was Pat Buchanon I'd read was saying with all the arms moving to be near Iran, the "war card" would be open for O to use in getting Democrats re-elected. The article (opinion) mentioned the nuke weapons were not of such great concern, how it's monitored... Seems like a big move if Pat(?) meant this coming election, but the slower pace this political type sanctions does could leave it open for 1012.

This move by Russia would help to reduce or eliminate that possibility of war.
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