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The Demise of Constellation; Iran Launches Satellite; US Cuts Space Program
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Topic Started: Feb 4 2010, 11:08 AM (443 Views)
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Feb 4 2010, 11:08 AM
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I got this from an aerospace friend:
This is part of BHO’s new job Stimulus program. Iran puts a rocket into orbit and we cut our space program. Forget the promises , he hasn’t kept any of them.
What a group of morons, kill the only Industry we have a superiority in. These are the brightest people and good paying jobs, just what we need on our unemployment lines.
Spoke to my banker friends today re the 300 Billion Small Business stimulus. They say it is a another fiasco , all kinds of red tape and government control over small banks, besides the big problem is there are very few qualified borrowers looking for loans. This guy still doesn’t get it. You cannot have large tax increases on people making over $250,000 a year and expect them to expand their businesses and hire more people when they don’t know what the costs will be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2IQVZmHnJQ
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Feb 4 2010, 11:11 AM
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Recall one of the first things Obama started talking about doing after taking office was stopping work on a missile defense shield or system.
Imagine what Russia and China are thinking. They could've never hoped for an Obama in a million years.
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Feb 4 2010, 11:31 AM
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Recall one of the first things Obama started talking about doing after taking office was stopping work on a missile defense shield or system.
Imagine what Russia and China are thinking. They could've never hoped for an Obama in a million years.
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The Russians are thinking:
"Leaping Lenins! We had 70 years, and never managed to infiltrate our man into the White House! And Osama Bin Laden managed it in under 8 years... We better learn from Muslim terrorists - and fast. Allah Akbar!"
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kbp
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Feb 4 2010, 11:59 AM
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Recall one of the first things Obama started talking about doing after taking office was stopping work on a missile defense shield or system.
Imagine what Russia and China are thinking. They could've never hoped for an Obama in a million years.
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The Russians are thinking: "Leaping Lenins! We had 70 years, and never managed to infiltrate our man into the White House! And Osama Bin Laden managed it in under 8 years... We better learn from Muslim terrorists - and fast. Allah Akbar!"
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kbp
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Feb 4 2010, 12:15 PM
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- Feb 4 2010, 11:08 AM
I got this from an aerospace friend: This is part of BHO’s new job Stimulus program. Iran puts a rocket into orbit and we cut our space program. Forget the promises , he hasn’t kept any of them. What a group of morons, kill the only Industry we have a superiority in. These are the brightest people and good paying jobs, just what we need on our unemployment lines. Spoke to my banker friends today re the 300 Billion Small Business stimulus. They say it is a another fiasco , all kinds of red tape and government control over small banks, besides the big problem is there are very few qualified borrowers looking for loans. This guy still doesn’t get it. You cannot have large tax increases on people making over $250,000 a year and expect them to expand their businesses and hire more people when they don’t know what the costs will be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2IQVZmHnJQ There is still hope here. If we see the feds actually contracting out so much of the NASA type projects, I'd anticipate it will involve the types of companies that also contract to supply the military. The private sector there also sells arms abroad and uses their technology to develop additional products from it.
On the loans, less than a year ago I had a friend, who was in an asset rich/cash poor situation, seeking a loan for less than 50% of the appraised value on an industrial property he owned free of debt. Nobody would loan to him, though he qualified for much more, telling him they just wouldn't loan period. He eventually got a loan from one of the companies his profitable business sold products to. The point here is that there was no loans to be had for businesses.
With all the fuzzy programs in Zero's budget leaving business owners and investors uncertain what they'll have to do in the future, I wouldn't expect any risking more until there is a firm budget in place for them to determine which way NOT to go.
Edited by kbp, Feb 4 2010, 12:16 PM.
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Feb 4 2010, 01:53 PM
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Acc Esq: "Spoke to my banker friends today re the 300 Billion Small Business stimulus."
I may be lost on this part, or you may have unintentionally hit an extra "0" there. I believe it is around $30 billion Zero HOPEs to steal from the TARP funds banks sent back.
If there is $300 billion, I'd love a link to read about it. In my search for it I found an article with that amount some might enjoy the humor it gives us (if any can still laugh!). The Nigerian approach to taxing energy resembles that of Zero's, though they do a better job at it and even tax any increase in price their new plan will create!
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New oil law to increase revenue by over $300billion’ By Elisha Bala-Gbogbo February 3, 2010 12:57AM print email The Petroleum Industry Bill (PIB) will significantly increase government’s take when eventually passed into law by the National Assembly, top executives of the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) revealed at a two-day workshop organised by the corporation and the Federation Accounts Allocation Committee (FAAC) in Abuja during the weekend. Analysing data and statistics which illustrates the financial outlay and cost implications of investments in the oil and gas sector, the NNPC team led by Mohammed Sanusi Barkindo, the group managing director, informed participants that the petroleum bill will increase government’s take significantly from the Joint Ventures and Production Sharing Contracts (PSCs), and will “lead to a haul of over $300 billion in accruals to the federation account.” Providing a breakdown of the projections, Victor Briggs, the general manager in charge of planning of the National Petroleum Investment Management Services (NAPIMS), a subsidiary of the NNPC, said that the bill seeks to boost accruals to government coffers from the deep water offshore operations from the current level of 32 percent to 72.3 percent. He said the proposed legislation, which is currently before the National Assembly, is aimed at raising revenue from the onshore and shallow waters to 87.5 percent from the current 84 percent. “This is what we stand to lose if the PIB is not passed,” Mr. Briggs argued. Cost deductions Also, Tim Okon, group general manager of corporate planning and strategy, and director of NNPC Transformation, said, “apart from increasing government take, the PIB would engender a fresh fiscal regime that would make it easy to calculate royalties by eliminating undue cost deductions.” He said “it will introduce same measurement point for royalty and taxes. The rates are reduced for small producers, meaning that government take in small fields will be minimal to take care of the heavy cost burden they bear and encourage marginal field operators. We are also going to have price sensitive royalty scheme that will capture future benefit of price increase.” This revelation by some in the NNPC’s top hierarchy supports claims by oil multinationals and other finance experts that the new fiscal regime proposed in the petroleum bill comes at a high cost. “The tax structure is front-ended, cost must now be benchmarked, verified, and approved before deductions are allowed and cost oil, cost gas, profit oil, and profit gas under the PSCs are now subject to Nigerian Hydrocarbon Tax (NHT),” said Adeoye Adefulu, a partner and energy lawyer at Odujinrin Adefulu Law firm. According to Mr. Adefulu, “government’s take will increase under the various contracts, and rents rate will be significantly higher and this may impact on the profitability of smaller fields.” Purpose of workshop Critics argue that the workshop, which had in attendance finance commissioners, accountants-general from the 36 states of the federation and members of the Revenue Mobilisation and Fiscal Commission, is a parley to gain the required political support and clout from the states in order to pass the much debated bill. But the NNPC says it is only a continuation of its Stakeholders’ Forum series, which was flagged off mid-January with the Downstream Stakeholders’ Forum held in Lagos. Declaring the workshop open, the minister of state for finance and chairman of the FAAC, Remi Babalola, thanked the NNPC for hosting the workshop. He said the parley would inspire trust and confidence, and cement the relationship between FAAC members and the NNPC. In his keynote address, Rilwanu Lukman, the minister of petroleum resources, stated that the workshop was designed to remove doubts and suspicion about the operations of the NNPC, especially as it affects accruals to the federation account. “Your understanding of our activities will, to a large extent, remove doubts, suspicions and misconceptions about the industry business and also help to build and sustain relationships for better service delivery to our stakeholders,” he said. Moving forward On his part, Mr. Barkindo expressed the hope that the workshop will serve as a forum for the establishment of a robust and constructive platform for dialogue between the corporation and FAAC members. Lending support to the industry bill, Enoh John Owan, chairman of House of Representative Committee on Finance, gave the assurance of the commitment of the House to the passage of the bill, based on the concerns raised by all concerned parties in the oil and gas industry in Nigeria.
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Feb 4 2010, 02:45 PM
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I got this from an aerospace friend: This is part of BHO’s new job Stimulus program. Iran puts a rocket into orbit and we cut our space program. Forget the promises , he hasn’t kept any of them. What a group of morons, kill the only Industry we have a superiority in. These are the brightest people and good paying jobs, just what we need on our unemployment lines. Spoke to my banker friends today re the 300 Billion Small Business stimulus. They say it is a another fiasco , all kinds of red tape and government control over small banks, besides the big problem is there are very few qualified borrowers looking for loans. This guy still doesn’t get it. You cannot have large tax increases on people making over $250,000 a year and expect them to expand their businesses and hire more people when they don’t know what the costs will be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2IQVZmHnJQ
There is still hope here. If we see the feds actually contracting out so much of the NASA type projects, I'd anticipate it will involve the types of companies that also contract to supply the military. The private sector there also sells arms abroad and uses their technology to develop additional products from it. On the loans, less than a year ago I had a friend, who was in an asset rich/cash poor situation, seeking a loan for less than 50% of the appraised value on an industrial property he owned free of debt. Nobody would loan to him, though he qualified for much more, telling him they just wouldn't loan period. He eventually got a loan from one of the companies his profitable business sold products to. The point here is that there was no loans to be had for businesses. With all the fuzzy programs in Zero's budget leaving business owners and investors uncertain what they'll have to do in the future, I wouldn't expect any risking more until there is a firm budget in place for them to determine which way NOT to go. I don't know either. I passed along what I received verbatim.
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Feb 4 2010, 03:00 PM
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The cancellation of the Constellation program is a disaster for our space program. We are ceding heavy lifting to the Russians and eventually the Chinese. Especially harmful is the canceling of the new generation of boosters rockets which would have given USA Superiority for decades. The Aries V was going to be magnificent
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Constellation Program (abbreviated CxP) is a human spaceflight program within NASA, the space agency of the United States. The stated goals of the program are gaining significant experience in operating away from Earth's environment, developing technologies needed for opening the space frontier and conducting fundamental science.
Constellation was developed through the Exploration Systems Architecture Study, which determined how NASA would pursue the goals laid out in the Vision for Space Exploration and the NASA Authorization Act of 2005. On February 1, 2010, President Obama announced a proposal to cancel the program effective with the U.S. 2011 fiscal year budget.
Part of the Constellation program involves the development of spacecraft and booster vehicles to replace the Space Shuttle and send astronauts to the Moon and possibly to Mars as well. NASA has already begun the process of designing two boosters, the Ares I and Ares V. Ares I would have the sole function of launching mission crews into orbit, while Ares V would be used to launch other hardware for use on missions and will have a heavier lift capacity than the Ares I booster...snipped
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constellation_program
President Barack Obama's 2011 budget request has effectively shut down NASA's five-year effort to return astronauts to the moon, leaving the U.S. space agency with lofty goals – but no firm deadlines – to once again send humans beyond Earth orbit...snipped http://www.space.com/news/nasa-budget-moon-future-100201.html
lofty goals – but no firm deadlines
That's The Big Zero. Can we cancel his Presidency?
Whose side is he on?
Edited by Baldo, Feb 4 2010, 03:05 PM.
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Feb 4 2010, 05:15 PM
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The cancellation of the Constellation program is a disaster for our space program. We are ceding heavy lifting to the Russians and eventually the Chinese. Especially harmful is the canceling of the new generation of boosters rockets which would have given USA Superiority for decades. The Aries V was going to be magnificent These Constellation Program (abbreviated CxP) is a human spaceflight program within NASA, the space agency of the United States. The stated goals of the program are gaining significant experience in operating away from Earth's environment, developing technologies needed for opening the space frontier and conducting fundamental science.
Constellation was developed through the Exploration Systems Architecture Study, which determined how NASA would pursue the goals laid out in the Vision for Space Exploration and the NASA Authorization Act of 2005. On February 1, 2010, President Obama announced a proposal to cancel the program effective with the U.S. 2011 fiscal year budget.
Part of the Constellation program involves the development of spacecraft and booster vehicles to replace the Space Shuttle and send astronauts to the Moon and possibly to Mars as well. NASA has already begun the process of designing two boosters, the Ares I and Ares V. Ares I would have the sole function of launching mission crews into orbit, while Ares V would be used to launch other hardware for use on missions and will have a heavier lift capacity than the Ares I booster...snipped
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constellation_program
President Barack Obama's 2011 budget request has effectively shut down NASA's five-year effort to return astronauts to the moon, leaving the U.S. space agency with lofty goals – but no firm deadlines – to once again send humans beyond Earth orbit...snipped http://www.space.com/news/nasa-budget-moon-future-100201.htmllofty goals – but no firm deadlines That's The Big Zero. Can we cancel his Presidency? Whose side is he on? I see the benefits of the program, my point is that not all is lost here.
Though there is no reduction from scratching the program if the result is just redirecting where to spend the money on the cr@p Zero desires, at least he's not wanting to spend more on top of it. Our deficit spending is the immediate problem. If he can scrap that program, it shows we can do it to others. No solutions really in pointing that out beyond the obvious, it's an abusive and selective waste of funds.
The next bright spot is that IF the NEXT administration can trim the budget and there is agreement that the program is beneficial to something like military projects, then it may be back on within 4 years.
Hopefully we will work to afford it in the near future. Meanwhile, I'm more concerned with how I might pay my utility bills in a few years under Zero's proposed budget plans.
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May 25 2012, 01:35 PM
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Congrats to Space X & its Capsule, the Dragon, which docked with the Space Station
Dragon Berthed to Space Station Fri, 25 May 2012
The SpaceX Dragon capsule was securely bolted to the Harmony module of the International Space Station at 12:02 p.m. EDT. A mission status briefing is scheduled for 1 p.m. to discuss the day's events, which will air on NASA TV (www.nasa.gov/ntv).
http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/commercial/cargo/spacex_index.html
Dragon arrives at space station in historic 1st
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — The privately bankrolled Dragon capsule made a historic arrival at the International Space Station on Friday, captured by astronauts wielding a giant robot arm.
SpaceX is the first private company to attempt such a feat: the first commercial cargo delivery into the cosmos.
"Just awesome," said SpaceX's billionaire maestro, Elon Musk, of PayPal fame.
U.S. astronaut Donald Pettit used the space station's 58-foot robot arm to snare the gleaming white Dragon after a few hours of extra checks and maneuvers. The two vessels came together while sailing above Australia.
"Looks like we've got us a dragon by the tail," Pettit announced from 250 miles up once he locked onto Dragon's docking mechanism.
"You've made a lot of folks happy down here over in Hawthorne and right here in Houston," radioed NASA's Mission Control. "Great job guys."...snipped
http://news.yahoo.com/dragon-arrives-space-station-historic-1st-135801994.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CbpkL9P9CIAnqHQtDMD
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May 25 2012, 01:47 PM
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I still think it was a mistake to cancel the Ares V which would have had a maximum payload capacity of about 188 metric tons (414,000 lb) to low earth orbit (LEO)
The Maximum Space X's Falcon Heavy Rocket blooster(yet to be launched) will have a maximum of 53,000 kg or 116844 lb, about 27% of that capability. Not enough to launch to the moon or mars with manned missions.
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