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And I suppose to get around the state system of injustice the families of RCD went to the civil suits in Federal Courts. So where are the results??
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If the assumption is correct that Wade Smith might have suggested to "Weasley" that a federal investigation would not be necessary, do you believe that Joe Cheshire was in agreement? Likewise, what was the charade all about then when Cooper wrote the Justice Dept. asking for an investigation and a Justice employee with offices in Winston Salem or Greensboro refused.

Great posts this morning by Mike and Quasi.

Without corruption, NC would not have a state government.
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Feb 4 2010, 09:53 AM
And I suppose to get around the state system of injustice the families of RCD went to the civil suits in Federal Courts. So where are the results??
The federal court judge is only a former NC court judge who knew or served with such persons as Anna Mills Wagoner and others.
Could the act of putting on federal robes change a man and make him become suddenly extraordinarily upright? (I guess we will find out.) (MOO)

I think, though, the plaintiffs anticipated some of this, which is why there are three suits instead of one.

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It could very well be that the foot dragging in the civil trials is a result of some unstated agreement, some handshake, that was made as a part of the Cooper pronouncement. I doubt that we will ever know.


The legal teams are different, so I don't think the plaintiffs could have been part of that kind of handshake. However, I think any judge who is (or was) part of the NC system may be considered suspect.

In the entire regiment of judges who were involved at some point with the lax case, only His Honor Judge LeBarre (who deserves that appelation) ruled in strict accordance with the law and with justice. All the others (IMHO) permitted outside considerations of some sort to cloud their decisions.
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Feb 4 2010, 08:49 AM
For me, Joe Chesire will always be "The Man". He put himself in front of the TV cameras to exposure what was going on. By doing so he helped them all. Wade Smith was always in the background and rarely said anything..
Not to take away from Joe, but Kirk Osborn was the first to take off his gloves both in court personally and in what was filed. I'd always suspected each legal team, of the 3, had decided together which would be the nasty fighter, which the masters of PR and the last using the approach of cooperating with the system.
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Feb 4 2010, 11:53 AM
brittany
Feb 4 2010, 08:49 AM
For me, Joe Chesire will always be "The Man". He put himself in front of the TV cameras to exposure what was going on. By doing so he helped them all. Wade Smith was always in the background and rarely said anything..
Not to take away from Joe, but Kirk Osborn was the first to take off his gloves both in court personally and in what was filed. I'd always suspected each legal team, of the 3, had decided together which would be the nasty fighter, which the masters of PR and the last using the approach of cooperating with the system.
Kirk was a MAN. A real hero.
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Kirk Osborn was the best.
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Feb 4 2010, 09:58 AM
If the assumption is correct that Wade Smith might have suggested to "Weasley" that a federal investigation would not be necessary, do you believe that Joe Cheshire was in agreement? Likewise, what was the charade all about then when Cooper wrote the Justice Dept. asking for an investigation and a Justice employee with offices in Winston Salem or Greensboro refused.

Great posts this morning by Mike and Quasi.

Without corruption, NC would not have a state government.
I restate my questions. I hope Mike or Quasi will answer.
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It was pretty early on (much earlier than people think) and Joe Cheshire was filing official complaints with the N.C. Bar about Mike Nifong.

Cheshire never backed off an inch on that and later filed more complaints, so I would just caution against reading too much into anything.

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If the assumption is correct that Wade Smith might have suggested to "Weasley" that a federal investigation would not be necessary, do you believe that Joe Cheshire was in agreement?


Did he have a choice? When Cooper took over the investigation in January, 2007, his office met with the attorneys and it was announced that the next hearing would not be until MAY.

Cheshire and the rest put the best public face on it but they didn't appear to be too happy.

There was no reason at all for Cooper to delay that long for an investigation (two weeks would have sufficed, max.)

Players from the team were still being interviewed quite late in the process (why?). However, Bissey, who was a critical witness,
was never questioned.

What was Cooper doing if he wasn't going to get Bissey's testimony?

When it developed that there was nothing with which to charge the defendants, then he had three options on how to drop the charges. He held all the cards in his hands.

He could drop the charges, only for lack of sufficient evidence, and without prejudice (meaning that they could be refiled).
He could drop the charges, only for lack of sufficient evidence, but with prejudice (meaning they could not be refiled.)
(Again, there was no downside to the above.)
Or he could give an innocence declaration.

That last is what the defense absolutely needed for their clients. Anything else and the defendants would still be living under a cloud.

That they got that, at whatever price, is the service they rendered to their clients. It's what they owed them--the best possible representation. The cavalry wasn't about to ride in, the crown victorias were staying in the parking lot.
To insist on Crystal being prosecuted or the DOJ coming in, would have left Cooper needing to cover his flanks and avoid inflaming
his constituencies; ergo, he might have "balanced" prosecuting Crystal with only dropping the charges for lack of evidence and without prejudice (meaning, they could be refiled).

Or he might have just said he thought the whole thing should be aired in a courtroom before a jury. Cooper was the dealer, it was a marked deck, and the defense could only accept the cards they were dealt.

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Likewise, what was the charade all about then when Cooper wrote the Justice Dept. asking for an investigation and a Justice employee with offices in Winston Salem or Greensboro refused.


If Hardin, Cooper, and others formally asked for a DOJ investigation, that may (IMHO) have been only window dressing and CYA.
The DOJ was never going to come in, for its own reasons. It blithely ignored the appeal of nine congressmen and hundreds of letters.
It would no more investigate Durham than it will investigate the Black Panthers in Philadelphia (ergo, it was safe to publicly request
their assistance, knowing what the answer would be).

(All the above is only MOO; for discussion purposes only; and likely the product of my own jaded mind...)
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Thanks, Quasi. Jaded opinion, maybe, but don't we all have one at this point considering how much we have been exposed to the flexibility of those in positions of trust in this case.
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Quasimodo has it nailed. It was a political rather than a legal decision. Always was, always will be, especially due to the fact we have another "potted plant" judge. That's all there is in North Carolina.
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"Weasley" is getting in deeper dodo every day. The danger of one party rule is the corruption we have in state government here. Of course, I don't have to explain that to you, abb.
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Feb 4 2010, 08:15 AM
Then there was the Zash family who had no connections and didn't know anyone. One of the 3 boys attorneys recommended Kerry Sutton. There was Kerry Sutton with a Nifong sign on her front lawn.
Friends:

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If this is the kind of focus and hard work you expect from your judges, please share this exciting news with your friends and ask them to vote for me in the Primary on May 4, 2010. Thank you for your continued support.

Respectfully,
-Kerry Sutton, 2010 Candidate for Durham District Court Judge

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Is it possible to bring charges of incest in Durham Cty.?
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http://townhall.com/columnists/ByronYork/2010/02/08/why_the_media_ignored_a_scandal

Why the Media Ignored a Scandal
Byron York
Monday, February 08, 2010

Two weeks before the 2008 Iowa caucuses, the National Enquirer published a detailed story reporting that Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards had had an affair, and that the woman involved -- campaign videographer Rielle Hunter -- was pregnant, and that Edwards had arranged for an aide to falsely claim to be the father, and that Hunter and the aide and the aide's family were being taken care of financially by a wealthy Edwards supporter.

It was, to say the least, explosive.

At the time, Edwards was a serious contender in the Democratic presidential race, so when the story was published, his aides prepared for what some believed would be an onslaught of media scrutiny.

But it didn't happen. Although Edwards could not have known it at the time, it turned out that many journalists just didn't want to report the news and didn't try very hard to uncover the facts.

The tale is told in the new book "The Politician" by former Edwards aide and confidant Andrew Young, the man who, at Edwards' insistence, claimed that he, and not the candidate, was the father of Hunter's child.

By mid-December 2007, Edwards knew the Enquirer story was coming. With Iowa fast approaching, he came up with an I'm-not-the-father cover-up scheme, believing that having Young claim paternity would deflect blame away from the candidate himself. "It's going to be a one-day story, Andrew," Edwards told Young, according to Young's account. "No offense, but the press doesn't give a s--t about you."

So the statement was drafted. In addition to claiming paternity, Young wrote that Edwards "knew nothing" about the relationship.

It was a preposterous lie, but Edwards went ahead, offering the one-paragraph explanation to any reporters who asked. The candidate and his top advisers, Young wrote, "expected the (media) onslaught" to begin as soon as the Enquirer posted its story online. Young sent his family out of town to spare them the firestorm.

But then ... nothing. "To our relief, no serious newspaper or TV network picked up the story because they couldn't find a source to confirm it," Young wrote. The damage was confined to a few Web sites. "We began to think that perhaps our strategy had worked," Young said.

What followed was a bizarre series of events in which Fred Baron, the wealthy Edwards supporter, paid enormous sums of money to fly Hunter and the Youngs around the country to keep them out of sight until after the Iowa caucuses, and then the New Hampshire primary, and then, when the campaign fizzled but Edwards still had hopes of making it onto the Democratic presidential ticket, until after Hunter had the baby.

Still no word of it in the press. But the Enquirer was not finished. In July 2008, the tabloid published a detailed account of Edwards' visit with Hunter and the baby at a Los Angeles hotel.

"Andrew, they caught me," a tearful Edwards is quoted as telling Young in a phone conversation. "It's all over."

Surely now, Young thought, the media would jump on the story. But it didn't happen. The New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, the Los Angeles Times, the broadcast networks and the cable-news outlets -- none reported the story. This time, though, it finally bubbled up, from the blogs to talk radio to late-night television. By the second week of August, Edwards appeared on ABC News to semi-confess.

An explosive scandal had been kept out of the press for months at a time when the man at the center was an important player in national politics. Why?

Young thought it was because the Edwards camp so tightly controlled information that journalists weren't able to find sources to corroborate the Enquirer's reporting. While that may have been part of it, the fact was, many editors and reporters just didn't want to tell the story.

Maybe they admired Edwards' cancer-stricken wife, Elizabeth. Maybe they saw no good in exposing Edwards' sordid acts. Maybe they looked down on the National Enquirer. Or maybe they were just biased. "In the case of John Edwards," said Washington Post media reporter Howard Kurtz, "even though it was clearly out there -- everybody in America knew about this well before CNN and the New York Times and the Washington Post got into this game -- there was still a great reluctance."

Of course, in the end the story came out anyway -- but only after the sheer weight of Edwards' corruption made the facts impossible to ignore, even for sympathetic journalists.
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