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Obama Is In Default -- Eligibility Case Will Be Heard; Where is birth certificate
Topic Started: Jul 14 2009, 07:21 PM (12,091 Views)
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genny6348
Jul 20 2009, 11:14 PM
The eligibility controversy is not going away. There are too many unanswered questions, too many missing documents, too much money being spent to keep things hidden. Speculation will continue and grow ever more wildly as long as the truth is not told.

So my theory is that the BC doesn't matter, because he lost his US citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia and never regained it. Making him maybe not only not a "natural born" citizen, but not even a citizen at all. There has to be some reason why his college records are sealed (foreign exchange student status?) so tightly. The only document that has been provided to the American people is a digital copy of this Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth. And there are more bogus versions of his life than CGM.

I'd rather see his adoption papers - then his naturalization papers.

I love mysteries and puzzles! :JR:
There are no unanswered questions, only people who won't accept the answers. What missing documents are you talking about? Govenor Palin has 18 ethics complaints against her. Do you think they are legitimate or that she shouldn't fight them?

Being adopted by a foreign national doesn't effect your citizenship. You don't have a prayer of finding any case law to back that up.

So many different theories. So little evidence or law to back them up.
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brittany
Jul 20 2009, 10:28 PM
Was he naturalized in Indonesia?
I doubt it. If Lolo Soetoro told the school Barry Soetoro was his kid and he was Muslim it had to be good enough for the school.
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above link contains:

This was the Application of Sun Yat-Sen and later he obtained the beautifully printed Certificate of Hawaiian Birth above.

In this Typewritten Certificate of Hawaiian Birth dated March 14, 1904, Dr. Sun Yat-Sen signed an affidavit that he was born in Hawaii on Nov. 24, 1870 (in reality he was born in China in 1866).
Of course, this is not true bec Sun Yat-Sen, the Father of Modern China, was born in China.

Sun Yat-sen was born on 12 November 1866, to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan county , Guangzhou prefecture, Guangdong province (26 km or 16 miles north of Macau).


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wayne fontes
Jul 20 2009, 11:29 PM


I love mysteries and puzzles! :JR:
There are no unanswered questions, only people who won't accept the answers. What missing documents are you talking about? Govenor Palin has 18 ethics complaints against her. Do you think they are legitimate or that she shouldn't fight them?

[/quote]Wayne, as far as I know, 15 of those complaints have been dismissed, what are the other 3? I don't think anyone knows what the first 15 were. Could you give us some insight into the last 3? I would be interested, about who filed the complaints and whether on not they were also dismissed.
Edited by retiredLEO, Jul 20 2009, 11:44 PM.
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Jul 20 2009, 11:23 PM
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Jul 20 2009, 11:19 PM
brittany
Jul 20 2009, 11:12 PM
wayne fontes
Jul 20 2009, 11:06 PM
Brittany, the man was named Sun Yat Sun. He was born in 1865. Could you slow down and think for a second? He died thirty five years before Hawaii became a state. Where do you get your information?
We already had someone who was Spelling Policeman.The job is filled.
I was wrong. the name can be spelled either way. Could you perhaps respond to the point that the man was below ground for decades before Hawaii became a state. That was the meat of my comment.

The fact you just posted that a Chinese revolutionary, dead since 1925, had a certificate of live birth from Hawaii doesn't give you any cause for concern?
1.Thanks about the spelling.

2.Damn right it concerns me esp.cause he was born in China.

Here is the photo ofcertif.of live birth for Sun: scroll down.

http://james4america.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/obama-and-sun-yat-sen-both-are-presidents-who-have-birth-records-recorded-in-hawaii/
It's a document issued by a territory of the US about 130 years ago. What connection it has to a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, I couldn't even venture a guess. The two are not the same.

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I couldn't give you any insight because I assume all of them are frivoluos and haven't followed it. Really, my point is that partisans file frivolous lawsuits. The fact a suit has been filed doesn't mean there is anything of substance behind it.






retiredLEO
Jul 20 2009, 11:40 PM
wayne fontes
Jul 20 2009, 11:29 PM


I love mysteries and puzzles! :JR:
There are no unanswered questions, only people who won't accept the answers. What missing documents are you talking about? Govenor Palin has 18 ethics complaints against her. Do you think they are legitimate or that she shouldn't fight them?

Wayne, as far as I know, 15 of those complaints have been dismissed, what are the other 3? I don't think anyone knows what the first 15 were. Could you give us some insight into the last 3? I would be interested, about who filed the complaints and whether on not they were also dismissed.[/quote]I couldn't give you any insight because I assume all of them are frivoluos and haven't followed it. Really, my point is that partisans file frivolous lawsuits. The fact a suit has been filed doesn't mean there is anything of substance behind it.
Edited by wayne fontes, Jul 20 2009, 11:47 PM.
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wayne fontes
Jul 20 2009, 11:44 PM
I couldn't give you any insight because I assume all of them are frivoluos and haven't followed it. Really, my point is that partisans file frivolous lawsuits. The fact a suit has been filed doesn't mean there is anything of substance behind it.






retiredLEO
Jul 20 2009, 11:40 PM
wayne fontes
Jul 20 2009, 11:29 PM


I love mysteries and puzzles! :JR:
There are no unanswered questions, only people who won't accept the answers. What missing documents are you talking about? Govenor Palin has 18 ethics complaints against her. Do you think they are legitimate or that she shouldn't fight them?

Wayne, as far as I know, 15 of those complaints have been dismissed, what are the other 3? I don't think anyone knows what the first 15 were. Could you give us some insight into the last 3? I would be interested, about who filed the complaints and whether on not they were also dismissed.
I couldn't give you any insight because I assume all of them are frivoluos and haven't followed it. Really, my point is that partisans file frivolous lawsuits. The fact a suit has been filed doesn't mean there is anything of substance behind it.[/quote]Come on Wayne give us the specifics? 18 is a lot, who file them? You talk about Obama's birth record being accurate, what about the complaints about Gov. Palin, Where can we find the complaints?
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brittany

I have been posting about this since the presidential campaign. I will give up when they pry my cold, dead ,fingers from the keyboard.
Edited by brittany, Jul 20 2009, 11:55 PM.
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Jul 20 2009, 11:50 PM
wayne fontes
Jul 20 2009, 11:44 PM
I couldn't give you any insight because I assume all of them are frivoluos and haven't followed it. Really, my point is that partisans file frivolous lawsuits. The fact a suit has been filed doesn't mean there is anything of substance behind it.






retiredLEO
Jul 20 2009, 11:40 PM
wayne fontes
Jul 20 2009, 11:29 PM


I love mysteries and puzzles! :JR:
There are no unanswered questions, only people who won't accept the answers. What missing documents are you talking about? Govenor Palin has 18 ethics complaints against her. Do you think they are legitimate or that she shouldn't fight them?

Wayne, as far as I know, 15 of those complaints have been dismissed, what are the other 3? I don't think anyone knows what the first 15 were. Could you give us some insight into the last 3? I would be interested, about who filed the complaints and whether on not they were also dismissed.
I couldn't give you any insight because I assume all of them are frivoluos and haven't followed it. Really, my point is that partisans file frivolous lawsuits. The fact a suit has been filed doesn't mean there is anything of substance behind it.
Come on Wayne give us the specifics? 18 is a lot, who file them? You talk about Obama's birth record being accurate, what about the complaints about Gov. Palin, Where can we find the complaints?[/quote]Wayne, as far as I know, 15 of those complaints have been dismissed, what are the other 3? I don't think anyone knows what the first 15 were. Could you give us some insight into the last 3? I would be interested, about who filed the complaints and whether on not they were also dismissed.
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retiredLEO
Jul 20 2009, 11:52 PM
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wayne fontes
Jul 20 2009, 11:44 PM
I couldn't give you any insight because I assume all of them are frivoluos and haven't followed it. Really, my point is that partisans file frivolous lawsuits. The fact a suit has been filed doesn't mean there is anything of substance behind it.






retiredLEO
Jul 20 2009, 11:40 PM
wayne fontes
Jul 20 2009, 11:29 PM


I love mysteries and puzzles! :JR:
There are no unanswered questions, only people who won't accept the answers. What missing documents are you talking about? Govenor Palin has 18 ethics complaints against her. Do you think they are legitimate or that she shouldn't fight them?

Wayne, as far as I know, 15 of those complaints have been dismissed, what are the other 3? I don't think anyone knows what the first 15 were. Could you give us some insight into the last 3? I would be interested, about who filed the complaints and whether on not they were also dismissed.
I couldn't give you any insight because I assume all of them are frivoluos and haven't followed it. Really, my point is that partisans file frivolous lawsuits. The fact a suit has been filed doesn't mean there is anything of substance behind it.
Come on Wayne give us the specifics? 18 is a lot, who file them? You talk about Obama's birth record being accurate, what about the complaints about Gov. Palin, Where can we find the complaints?
Wayne, as far as I know, 15 of those complaints have been dismissed, what are the other 3? I don't think anyone knows what the first 15 were. Could you give us some insight into the last 3? I would be interested, about who filed the complaints and whether on not they were also dismissed.[/quote]Most are from one person.
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brittany

Is this still valid?

Obama has a sister named Maya.
Maya was born in Jakarta Indonesia and has the very same COLB Obama has.

This law makes it possible.

Hawaiian state law allows children born outside Hawaii get valid Hawaiian birth certificates (S. 338-17.8)

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
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brittany
Jul 20 2009, 11:28 PM
Total lockdown of all records birth,education,adoption, grades, writing.
Occam's Razor says he is a semi-literate C- affirmative action student whose father is not whoever he claims his father is - or something banal like that. Of course, the simplest explanation is not always the correct one... In any case, his refusal to show ANY documents is VERY interesting. :ears:
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Genny said it's not going away. I think she's right, it'll be discussed on blogs and small radio stations, there will be suspicions. Part of the suspicion is that the Media has been so far in the tank for so long. However, there aren't people in power willing to take BHO on, especially not on something like this.

In reality, you'd have 3 radical members of Congress supporting this and more than 500 against any inquiry.

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Jul 20 2009, 11:50 PM
wayne fontes
Jul 20 2009, 11:44 PM
I couldn't give you any insight because I assume all of them are frivoluos and haven't followed it. Really, my point is that partisans file frivolous lawsuits. The fact a suit has been filed doesn't mean there is anything of substance behind it.






retiredLEO
Jul 20 2009, 11:40 PM
wayne fontes
Jul 20 2009, 11:29 PM


I love mysteries and puzzles! :JR:
There are no unanswered questions, only people who won't accept the answers. What missing documents are you talking about? Govenor Palin has 18 ethics complaints against her. Do you think they are legitimate or that she shouldn't fight them?

Wayne, as far as I know, 15 of those complaints have been dismissed, what are the other 3? I don't think anyone knows what the first 15 were. Could you give us some insight into the last 3? I would be interested, about who filed the complaints and whether on not they were also dismissed.
I couldn't give you any insight because I assume all of them are frivoluos and haven't followed it. Really, my point is that partisans file frivolous lawsuits. The fact a suit has been filed doesn't mean there is anything of substance behind it.
Come on Wayne give us the specifics? 18 is a lot, who file them? You talk about Obama's birth record being accurate, what about the complaints about Gov. Palin, Where can we find the complaints?[/quote]I would try google LEO. I can tell you one guy has filed five of them but I don't know more than that.

If you want to insinuate that I have a hidden liberal agenda try not to be so clumsy about it. Alternatively just ask me what I think.
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wayne fontes
Jul 20 2009, 11:29 PM
There are no unanswered questions, only people who won't accept the answers. What missing documents are you talking about? Govenor Palin has 18 ethics complaints against her. Do you think they are legitimate or that she shouldn't fight them?

Being adopted by a foreign national doesn't effect your citizenship. You don't have a prayer of finding any case law to back that up.

So many different theories. So little evidence or law to back them up.
Sure there are unanswered questions, and probably questions we don't know to ask. Below a short list of documents that have not been located as far as I know, maybe you can find them, perhaps they've turned up in the last 6 months or so.

1. Occidental College records
2. Columbia College records
3. Columbia Thesis Paper
4. Harvard College records
5. Selective Service Registration
6. Medical records
7. Illinois State Senate schedule
8. Law practice client list
9. Certified Copy of original long form Birth certificate
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth (digital doesn't count)
11. Harvard Law Review articles published
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles
13. Record of baptism
14. Illinois State Senate records

And why bring up Sarah Palin? Can't we find her school records either?

Can you point me to Indonesian law regarding adoption and citizenship? I want to get my speculation right. US case law probably does not apply there. Continuing my speculation - If Indonesia didn't allow dual citizenship it might result in having to denounce US citizenship to attend school, might it not? Perhaps they required documents proving that this child was Indonesian in order to attend school.

You see some people just like things all wrapped up in a neat package - some even require a bow on top. Loose ends drive them nuts. So what you are seeing is the result of too many loose ends. My theory is as good as the next persons.
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