| Obama Is In Default -- Eligibility Case Will Be Heard; Where is birth certificate | |
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| brittany | Jul 20 2009, 10:55 PM Post #106 |
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LP, his sister has one.She was born in Indonesia. SunYetSen was born in China.He had one,too. |
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| Lodge Pro 345 | Jul 20 2009, 11:00 PM Post #107 |
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. I just think it's a bad sign that there are like 20 different arguments why he's ineligible. It's like the Police coming up a different theory everyday of how a suspect committed the crime. |
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| retiredLEO | Jul 20 2009, 11:04 PM Post #108 |
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LP, his sister has one.She was born in Indonesia. SunYetSen was born in China.He had one,too.[/quote]Probably not now, but what about in 1962? We have had a lot of rule changes and law changes since then, how did 16 year olds get to Viet Nam in the Military? I knew and worked with at least one. |
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| wayne fontes | Jul 20 2009, 11:06 PM Post #109 |
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Brittany, the man was named Sun Yat Sun. He was born in 1865. Could you slow down and think for a second? He died thirty five years before Hawaii became a state. Where do you get your information? |
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| brittany | Jul 20 2009, 11:10 PM Post #110 |
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mrunpc says: November 19, 2008 at 5:40 pm THE FOLLOWING IS A VERY COMPELLING AFFIDAVIT FROM A VERY RESPECTED BISHOP: Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae, I, Bishop Ron McRae am over the age of eighteen (18) and not a party to the within action. If called to do so, I could and would competently testify under oath as follows: I am the Continental Bishop who oversees the Anabaptists Churches in North America. I am also the Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery, where we have numerous churches throughout Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of the Congo and mission works to several other African nations. The African Presbytery is comprised of the national bishops of the various countries we minister in and support, along with our statewide bishops from New York and Pennsylvania. We actively visit and minister throughout these African countries, and do so extensively throughout all of Kenya these last three (3) years. in overseeing the establishment of our churches and presbytery to Kenya over the last two (2) years we have had personal dealings, continually, with many citizens of Kenya from every tribe and economic standing throughout the wonderful nation of Kenya, with whom the national interests in United States Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a very popular topic of discussion. The tribal cultures of the Kenyanese people have involved much turmoil during the national elections at the end of December 2007 and the beginning of 2008. The much published violence that erupted over the presidential elections caught the world’s attention. Myself and several American minister with our church were present during this time in Kenya, and the facts concerning this strife and the ensuing violence were well known, and of common knowledge throughout all of Kenya. The opposition party that was responsible for all of the violence was from the minority Luo tribe, which is a Muslim tribe that supported Mr. Raila Odinga for president. Raila Odinga is a Marxist socialist who graduated from the East Germany Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship from the East German government. He named his first born son after Fidel Castro. Raila Odinga spent six years in prison for his admitted involvement in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 to over take and assissinate Daniel Arap Moi, Kenya’s President. Mr. Odinga has publicly admitted to being the leader of that coup in his 2006. Mr. Odinga is the cousin of United States Senator Barack Obama. Mr. Obama is from the same Muslim tribe, the Luo Tribe, as Mr. Odinga. Senator Obama visited Kenya in August of 2006 and campaigned extensively for his cousin, Mr. Odinga, which gave Odinga a tremendous boost. During Senator Obama’s campaign stops on behalf of his cousin Odinga, the Senator made numerous claims against the democratic government of Kenya and Kenya’s Presidcent Mwai Kibaki, claiming they were corrupt, stating often, that Kenya was “ready for change”, just as he has campaigned here in the United States during the Presidential election. It has been common knowledge throughout Kenya that Senator Obama sent his foreign policy advisor, Mr. Mark Lippert, to Kenya at least three times to advise Mr.Odinga on his campaign strategies. See Mark Hyman’s Washington Times article published October, 12, 2008, attached as Exhibit “I”. Moreover, everyone in Kenya is well aware that Senator Obama donated over one million American dollars ($1,000,000) to his cousin’s, Mr. Odinga’s campaign, which is documented in the Kenyan Political Party, for Mr. Odinga. Orange Democratic Movement (hereinafter “ODM”) along with extensive funds from other Muslim supporters including but not limited to the Muslim son of Muammar Gadhafi, the dictator of Libyan’s Muslim government. These issues are common knowledge throughout Kenya, and the information is publicly document across the internet. It is detailed in Odinga’s financial reports and strategies ODM Internal Memo documents, attached as Exhibit “2?, which are public records, that a significant portion of Senator Obama’s financial contributions (made through an organization identified as Friends of Senator Barack Obama) were used to help finance both the signed Muslim Memorandum of Understanding as well as the planned violence, murders and bloodshed that occurred in December of 2007. Within the ODM Internal Memo attached as Exhibit “2?, the funds donated by Mr. Obama through “Friends of Senator Barack Obama” were to be used for “Violence as a last result…to discourage voter participation in hostile areas..use ODM agents on the ground to engineer ethnic tensions in target areas…support Kapondi’s forces in Mt. Eglori”, and to do as during “Mid-December”. Unfortunately, the exact violence described in these reports was carried out and occurred at the beginning of the second week of December 2007. Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States. Mr. Obama’s cousin ran his failed campaign for the Kenyan presidency in the identical fashion of Senator Obama’s American campaign strategy, and that being to join a nominal Christian Church in order to publicly profess to be a Christian, while maintaining their actual Muslim beliefs, in order to sway public opinion away from the actual fact of his strong Muslim beliefs, family and goals. It is a known fact that membership in the United Church of Christ in Chicago, where Barack Obama was a member, does not require muslims to renounce their Islamic faith in order to join the UCC church. Throughout Kenya it is and was well publicized in the media that a Memorandum of Understanding agrement, attached as Exhibit “3?, between Raila Odinga and Shiek Abdullahi Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum, was signed by Odinga in August 29, 2007 in which Raila Odinga promised if elected to implement drastic changes including but not limited to the following: * Recognize “Islam as the only true religion” * “Islamic leaders would have an oversight rule to monitor activities of ALL other religions (emphasis in the original) * Installation of Shariah courts in every jurisdiction to implement Islamic law * Implement a ban on Christian preaching Because of the seriousness of all of the above, as a Christian and a citizen of the United States, this preacher could no longer sit idly by knowing these things and continue to minister in both Kenya and the United States. As the presiding bishop over the Continental Presbytery of Africa, I authorized representatives within our church to locate and interview Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama, the actual grandmother of US Senator Barack Obama. Ms. Sarah Obama lives in the Alego-Kogello, approximately 37 miles from Kisumu, where the Anabaptists have a congregation, and where this preacher has preached several times prior to the December elections in 2007, and prior to the planned violence from the Odinga supporters, which erupted. With Senator Obama being born in Kenya and not in the United States, he is not a “natural born” citizen and it prohibits him from being eligible to run for and/or serve as President of the United States. Since Senator Obama’s birth was reportedly in 1961, birth records may or may not be available, so I felt it very important to obtain the testimony of his grandmother as a first hand witness, since it is commonly known throughout Kenya, and especiallyaround the Kisamu area, that Sarah Obama was present when Barack Obama, Jr. was born in Kenya. Accordingly, on Thursday, October 16, 2008 Reverend Kweli Shuhudia (actual name temporarily withheld to protect his life), an evangelist with our ministries traveled to Kogello and located Ms. Sarah Obama at her home, see the attached email attached as Exhibit “4?. Mr. Shuhudu is a very intelligent and educated citizen of Africa, a former teacher and respected evangelist throughout Africa. Mr. Shuhudia acts as our official translator when we are in Africa, and is fluent in both Swahili and English. Mr. Shahudu met and interviewed Ms. Sarah Obama at length on October 16th during which interview, he called me on my mobile number, see my phone record attached as Exhibit “6?. Mr Shuhudia called me first on october 16th at 10:33 a.m. and advised that hwe was with Sarah Hussein Obama and that she wanted to speak with me, but the connection was lost. He called me right back at 10:35 a.m. and he informed me that there were several hundred people present, celebrating Obama’s success. I questioned him about the format of the phone call and conversation with Ms. Obama, and then informed him that I would call him right back, so it would not cost him international charges for the call. I called him back at 10:40 a.m. and public music and voices could be heard that were gathered around Kweli Shuhudia. I then spoke with him and requested that htey utilize the speaker phone so everyone could hear. The speaker phone with its open microphone was utilized with Mr. Shuhdia, Mr. Vatalis Alec Ogombe the Kogelo Community chairman assisting in the translation work and Ms. Sarh Hussein, along with several hundred people including policemen present and listenin in the open conversation between the four of us for approximately 15 minutes. Mr. VO is also the step grandson of Ms. Obama and the cousin of Barack Obama. A third unknown party can be heard periodically interjecting both Swahili and English words in the public discussion and conversation between the four of us. At times, the room noise from other peoples’ voices makes some of the swahili difficult to hear, and towards the end of the conversation several men’s voices are heard that are not identified. As I talked to and question Ms. Obama publicly over the open microphone of Mr. S’s speaker phone, they would translate what I said to her in Swahili publicly, and then they would translate her Swahili responses to me publicly in English. Ms. Obama can fluently speak Swahili in her native dialect, but cannot read or write. In the ensuing public conversation, I asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson Barack Obama was born in Kenya?” this was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she specifically replied, “Yes! Yes she was! She was present when Obama was born.” Though, some few younger relatives, including Mr. Ogombe, have obviously been versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Mr. Ogombe attempted to counter Sarah Obama’ clear responses to the question, verifying the birth of Senator Barack Obama in Kenya, I asked Mr. Ogombe, how she could be present at Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but Ogombe would not answer the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No, He was born in the United States!” But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed her reply that she was in deed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya. A transcript of this taped public interview is attached as Exhibit “6?. Mr. Shuhudia took photographs during the open conversations and interview with Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama, which photos will be forthcoming. Becase of the seriousness of the political situation and the impact of such on a United States Presidential election, and because of the factual reality of tremendous violence in kenya towards Christians, especially in the immediate area of Kisumu, where both Sarah Hussein Obama and Rev. Kweli Shuhudia live, it is requested that all reasonable and legal steps be taken to secure Rev. Kweli Shuhudia’s identity to the Federal Court alone, in order to protect his life and safety for being willing to provide this very important assistance in gathering this testimony and evidence to be used in any Federal litigation. The above related facts are true and verifiable to the best of my personal knowledge before God Almighty, whom I am and whom I serve. I declare under the penalty of perjury of the laws of the United States, that the foregoing is true and correct. by the grace of God alone, Ron McRae Residing Bishop Continental Presbytery of Africa Anabaptists Churches of N. America |
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| brittany | Jul 20 2009, 11:12 PM Post #111 |
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We already had someone who was Spelling Policeman.The job is filled. |
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| retiredLEO | Jul 20 2009, 11:12 PM Post #112 |
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I will go back to Major Cook, why did they just cancel his order and not court martial him for disobeying a direct order? Had I done that back in the 60s or 70s, while on active duty, I would have been court martialed and tossed out on my head. I saw people get 30 days for being a day late to work, because their car broke down and they even called to let the command know they couldn't make it back. No restriction, 30 days. |
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| genny6348 | Jul 20 2009, 11:14 PM Post #113 |
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The eligibility controversy is not going away. There are too many unanswered questions, too many missing documents, too much money being spent to keep things hidden. Speculation will continue and grow ever more wildly as long as the truth is not told. So my theory is that the BC doesn't matter, because he lost his US citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia and never regained it. Making him maybe not only not a "natural born" citizen, but not even a citizen at all. There has to be some reason why his college records are sealed (foreign exchange student status?) so tightly. The only document that has been provided to the American people is a digital copy of this Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth. And there are more bogus versions of his life than CGM. I'd rather see his adoption papers - then his naturalization papers. I love mysteries and puzzles!
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| brittany | Jul 20 2009, 11:15 PM Post #114 |
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He truly is a citizen of the world. |
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| brittany | Jul 20 2009, 11:18 PM Post #115 |
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Edited by brittany, Jul 20 2009, 11:19 PM.
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| wayne fontes | Jul 20 2009, 11:19 PM Post #116 |
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I was wrong. the name can be spelled either way. Could you perhaps respond to the point that the man was below ground for decades before Hawaii became a state. That was the meat of my comment. The fact you just posted that a Chinese revolutionary, dead since 1925, had a certificate of live birth from Hawaii doesn't give you any cause for concern? |
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| brittany | Jul 20 2009, 11:23 PM Post #117 |
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1.Thanks about the spelling. 2.Damn right it concerns me esp.cause he was born in China. Here is the photo ofcertif.of live birth for Sun: scroll down. http://james4america.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/obama-and-sun-yat-sen-both-are-presidents-who-have-birth-records-recorded-in-hawaii/ Edited by brittany, Jul 20 2009, 11:26 PM.
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| Lodge Pro 345 | Jul 20 2009, 11:24 PM Post #118 |
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. One coherent theory may help. May help people to understand the issue. How do I explain to someone that he's not a citizen? Or it could be that... or maybe he was adopted.. or it was his Father's citizenship, or he wasn't born on U.S. soil, or maybe his Mother was too young. . |
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| retiredLEO | Jul 20 2009, 11:26 PM Post #119 |
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Wow, Genny, you hit the nail on the head. Too many missing documents, including his college records. If I apply for a job, the prospective employer would want to see all my college records, my birth certificate, my social security card and any thing else I was bringing to the job. Where are Obama's? Edited by retiredLEO, Jul 20 2009, 11:28 PM.
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| brittany | Jul 20 2009, 11:28 PM Post #120 |
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Total lockdown of all records birth,education,adoption, grades, writing. |
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