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Obama Is In Default -- Eligibility Case Will Be Heard; Where is birth certificate
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Topic Started: Jul 14 2009, 07:21 PM (12,093 Views)
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Lodge Pro 345
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Jul 20 2009, 10:28 PM
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. In my opinion, part of the reason this Birth issue languishes is because there isn't a coherent argument. We see it right here - it is argued that if Obama was born in Hawaii - it doesn't matter because of his Father's citizenship. Then the argument is quickly that Hawaii Birth Cert isn't authentic or real. They are different arguments. Why discredit the Hawaii Birth Cert if it doesn't matter?
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Jul 20 2009, 10:28 PM
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- wayne fontes
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If he was a US citizen he may have lost his citizenship in Indonesia.He was adopted by an Indonesia and had an Indonesian passport.
The U.S. Code does, however, see some acts as creating the possibility of a loss of nationality. When you lose your U.S. nationality, you are no longer under the protection or jurisdiction of the United States. When the United States considers you to no longer be of U.S. nationality, it in effect considers you to no longer be a citizen. Note that these are things you can do that may force you to lose your citizenship. The law also says that these acts must be voluntary and with the intent of losing U.S. citizenship. The ways to lose citizenship are detailed in 8 USC 1481:
Becoming naturalized in another country Swearing an oath of allegiance to another country Serving in the armed forces of a nation at war with the U.S., or if you are an officer in that force Working for the government of another nation if doing so requires that you become naturalized or that you swear an oath of allegiance Formally renouncing citizenship at a U.S. consular office Formally renouncing citizenship to the U.S. Attorney General By being convicted of committing treason
An entire quote listing possibilities that don't pertain to Obama. What were you trying to prove with that? Was he naturalized in Indonesia?
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brittany
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Jul 20 2009, 10:30 PM
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. In my opinion, part of the reason this Birth issue languishes is because there isn't a coherent argument. We see it right here - it is argued that if Obama was born in Hawaii - it doesn't matter because of his Father's citizenship. Then the argument is quickly that Hawaii Birth Cert isn't authentic or real. They are different arguments. Why discredit the Hawaii Birth Cert if it doesn't matter?
Respectfully.
. respecfully, a certificate of live birth from Hawaii is not a long version birth certificate.
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Jul 20 2009, 10:30 PM
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Brittany is tired.I'll turn the baton to retiredLEO
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Jul 20 2009, 10:31 PM
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BOGUS POTUS
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Jul 20 2009, 10:31 PM
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He can show his birth certificate. I have no doubt that the POTUS could convene a blue ribbon panel to examine the document. He won't because he benefits from lunatics questioning it. Of course even if he did produce it the lunatics would simply say it's a forgery. Just as they've dismissed his short form birth certificate and the word of Hawaii officials who verified his birth certificate.
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Jul 20 2009, 10:31 PM
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. I like my answer - it wouldn't matter. I've been saying that. From 3 days ago, (NPR) National Public Radio: "Let's imagine that Barack Obama had been born in Indonesia or Kenya or anywhere else for that matter, and hadn't become a citizen until moving to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Is there one good reason why that would make him less fit to be president?" (snip)
"A person can't help where they were born any more than they can help the color of their skin or their gender." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106724373. What is the point of that from NPR? I don't understand, if my father is Irish and my 18 YO mother is a US citizen and I am born in Ireland, am I a natural born US citizen?
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Jul 20 2009, 10:33 PM
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He can show his birth certificate. I have no doubt that the POTUS could convene a blue ribbon panel to examine the document. He won't because he benefits from lunatics questioning it. Of course even if he did produce it the lunatics would simply say it's a forgery. Just as they've dismissed his short form birth certificate and the word of Hawaii officials who verified his birth certificate. I'm a PROUD LUNATIC.
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Jul 20 2009, 10:34 PM
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. I like my answer - it wouldn't matter. I've been saying that. From 3 days ago, (NPR) National Public Radio: "Let's imagine that Barack Obama had been born in Indonesia or Kenya or anywhere else for that matter, and hadn't become a citizen until moving to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Is there one good reason why that would make him less fit to be president?" (snip)
"A person can't help where they were born any more than they can help the color of their skin or their gender." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106724373.
What is the point of that from NPR? I don't understand, if my father is Irish and my 18 YO mother is a US citizen and I am born in Ireland, am I a natural born US citizen? . They are saying - we Love Obama and don't care where he was born. It's a non issue to the writer.
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Jul 20 2009, 10:36 PM
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. In my opinion, part of the reason this Birth issue languishes is because there isn't a coherent argument. We see it right here - it is argued that if Obama was born in Hawaii - it doesn't matter because of his Father's citizenship. Then the argument is quickly that Hawaii Birth Cert isn't authentic or real. They are different arguments. Why discredit the Hawaii Birth Cert if it doesn't matter?
Respectfully.
. It is not a Birth Certificate, it is a certificat of live birth, which is just saying that Obama was born alive, not necessarily in Hawaii. It means he exist. I have a birth certificate and I am sure you do too. From what I read anyone in Hawaii can walk in and get a Certificate of Live Birth. It just means you were born alive somewhere.
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Jul 20 2009, 10:39 PM
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. We know you are not a lunatic Brittany.
I started reading and found that some were saying Hawaii never became a state (even today) - so he can't be a citizen. That's getting ridiculous, IMO.
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Jul 20 2009, 10:43 PM
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. In my opinion, part of the reason this Birth issue languishes is because there isn't a coherent argument. We see it right here - it is argued that if Obama was born in Hawaii - it doesn't matter because of his Father's citizenship. Then the argument is quickly that Hawaii Birth Cert isn't authentic or real. They are different arguments. Why discredit the Hawaii Birth Cert if it doesn't matter?
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It is not a Birth Certificate, it is a certificat of live birth, which is just saying that Obama was born alive, not necessarily in Hawaii. It means he exist. I have a birth certificate and I am sure you do too. From what I read anyone in Hawaii can walk in and get a Certificate of Live Birth. It just means you were born alive somewhere. . But, I can't walk into Hawaii and get a Certificate of Live Birth.
It means he was born alive in Hawaii, I believe - not just somewhere, right?
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Jul 20 2009, 10:44 PM
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They are saying - we Love Obama and don't care where he was born. It's a non issue to the writer.
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Who are they? What will they say when Obama drives this country into a third world banana dictatorship? We are heading there on a 747 and we are almost at the "Point of no return".
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Jul 20 2009, 10:49 PM
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[ But, I can't walk into Hawaii and get a Certificate of Live Birth.
It means he was born alive in Hawaii, I believe - not just somewhere, right?
It just means he was born somewhere and is alive, which is obvious, he is the POTUS. That somewhere could be anywhere. He was born somewhere and his mother said so.
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Jul 20 2009, 10:54 PM
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. In my opinion, part of the reason this Birth issue languishes is because there isn't a coherent argument. We see it right here - it is argued that if Obama was born in Hawaii - it doesn't matter because of his Father's citizenship. Then the argument is quickly that Hawaii Birth Cert isn't authentic or real. They are different arguments. Why discredit the Hawaii Birth Cert if it doesn't matter?
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It is not a Birth Certificate, it is a certificat of live birth, which is just saying that Obama was born alive, not necessarily in Hawaii. It means he exist. I have a birth certificate and I am sure you do too. From what I read anyone in Hawaii can walk in and get a Certificate of Live Birth. It just means you were born alive somewhere. Where did you read any one can walk in and get a certificate of live birth in Hawaii? I'm guessing you might have a problem with how credulous you are with what floats around on the internet. No lessons to drawn from the early days of the Duke Hoax? Obama provided the document that every person born in Hawaii gets. You aren't disputing that are you?
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