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Obama Is In Default -- Eligibility Case Will Be Heard; Where is birth certificate
Topic Started: Jul 14 2009, 07:21 PM (12,094 Views)
brittany

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Jul 20 2009, 09:49 PM
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I like my answer - it wouldn't matter. I've been saying that.

From 3 days ago, (NPR) National Public Radio:

"Let's imagine that Barack Obama had been born in Indonesia or Kenya or anywhere else for that matter, and hadn't become a citizen until moving to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Is there one good reason why that would make him less fit to be president?"
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"A person can't help where they were born any more than they can help the color of their skin or their gender."


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106724373

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They can apply for any job but POTUS.
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brittany
Jul 20 2009, 09:52 PM
A U.S. citizen is not eligible to be president.They have to be natural born. Child of 2 parents who were citizens of the U.S. There was a bill or something in Congress cause McCain was born on a US military base in Panama. He was the son of 2 U.S.citizens.
Your answer doesn't address my question. McCain's situation was different and has no bearing on Obama.
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Jul 20 2009, 09:54 PM
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Jul 20 2009, 09:49 PM
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I like my answer - it wouldn't matter. I've been saying that.

From 3 days ago, (NPR) National Public Radio:

"Let's imagine that Barack Obama had been born in Indonesia or Kenya or anywhere else for that matter, and hadn't become a citizen until moving to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Is there one good reason why that would make him less fit to be president?"
(snip)

"A person can't help where they were born any more than they can help the color of their skin or their gender."


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106724373

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They can apply for any job but POTUS.
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Who's gonna move to displace him in Congress, if it were true?

The guy ran on a Platform of cutting spending by a dollar for every dollar he added to the budget (Pay as you go). He's done nothing of the sort, in fact, he's spent like no nation in the history of the world. Do you see anyone pointing out this basic promise by Obama?

He said it in debates watched by Millions.

MOO - it wouldn't make any practical difference.
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Jul 20 2009, 10:01 PM
brittany
Jul 20 2009, 09:52 PM
A U.S. citizen is not eligible to be president.They have to be natural born. Child of 2 parents who were citizens of the U.S. There was a bill or something in Congress cause McCain was born on a US military base in Panama. He was the son of 2 U.S.citizens.
Your answer doesn't address my question. McCain's situation was different and has no bearing on Obama.
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Wayne is saying he was born on American Soil (Hawaii), so, it doesn't matter if his father was Austrian or an Eskimo. His Father's citizenship doesn't mean anything if BHO was born in Hawaii.



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brittany

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Jul 20 2009, 10:01 PM
brittany
Jul 20 2009, 09:52 PM
A U.S. citizen is not eligible to be president.They have to be natural born. Child of 2 parents who were citizens of the U.S. There was a bill or something in Congress cause McCain was born on a US military base in Panama. He was the son of 2 U.S.citizens.
Your answer doesn't address my question. McCain's situation was different and has no bearing on Obama.
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Wayne is saying he was born on American Soil (Hawaii), so, it doesn't matter if his father was Austrian or an Eskimo. His Father's citizenship doesn't mean anything if BHO was born in Hawaii.



Irespectfully disagree. Even IF he was born inHawaii,he is not a natural born citizen.HisfatherwasBritish.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution defines the eligibility requirements for an individual to become president. Article II provides:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Of-fice who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Although these sixty-two words are far from extraordinary, the natural born citizen provision is controversial because it prevents over 12.8 million Americans from being eligible for the presidency.

In addition to Governor Schwarzenegger, the natural born citizen clause prohibits many other prominent Americans from becoming president, including Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, former Secretaries of State Madeleine Albright and Henry Kissinger, Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, and over 700 Medal of Honor Winners.
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Some of Obama's buddies have been working on amending the constitution since 2006 re naturral born.

http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1131&posts=4
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Obama's Friends Working to Amend the Natural Born Citizen Requirement
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AIP Special Committees -> America’s Independent Legal Fund


http://www.patriotbrigaderadio.com/barracks/index.php?topic=250.0 :
If the Facts Don’t Support the Theory, Destroy the Facts

Comment left by: CreativeOgre:

While digging my way through the Internet last night, I came across the following paper, written by SARAH P. HERLIHY. It’s title

AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE

caught my eye, and had to read it…

http://lawreview.kentlaw.edu/articles/81-1/Herlihy.pdf

I had to ask myself, what would drive any American to want to change a clause in a document that is the very foundation of our government?

So, I kept digging, and found that SARAH P. HERLIHY is employed by Kirkland & Ellis LLP http://www.kirkland.com

Noting that this law firm is based in Chicago, the light bulb was shining a little brighter.

Upon looking at the firm, and the partners, I found that
Bruce I. Ettelson, P.C., is Member of finance committees of U.S. Senators Barack Obama and Richard Durbin.

http://www.kirkland.com/sitecontent.cfm … temID=7845 (towards bottom of the page)

In addition, Jack S. Levin, P.C., another partner who, in December 2002 was presented the ” Illinois Venture Capital Association’s lifetime achievement award for service to the private equity/venture capital community” presented by Sen. Barack Obama

So it sure looks like Obama’s people have looked into the matter of “Natural born” as far back as early 2006. What is even more disturbing is that it would appear that they are following the thought of:


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Whether you can believe that Obama got elected doesn't matter. He did get elected. The answer doesn't lie in some nefarious plot but in the gullibility of your fellow Americans. Americans who believed he could deliver his campaign promises without bankrupting the country. Grit your teeth, stop trying to place the blame on some non existent conspiracy and go change some minds.

Cassius:
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."


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If he was a US citizen he may have lost his citizenship in Indonesia.He was adopted by an Indonesia and had an Indonesian passport.

The U.S. Code does, however, see some acts as creating the possibility of a loss of nationality. When you lose your U.S. nationality, you are no longer under the protection or jurisdiction of the United States. When the United States considers you to no longer be of U.S. nationality, it in effect considers you to no longer be a citizen. Note that these are things you can do that may force you to lose your citizenship. The law also says that these acts must be voluntary and with the intent of losing U.S. citizenship. The ways to lose citizenship are detailed in 8 USC 1481:

Becoming naturalized in another country
Swearing an oath of allegiance to another country
Serving in the armed forces of a nation at war with the U.S., or if you are an officer in that force
Working for the government of another nation if doing so requires that you become naturalized or that you swear an oath of allegiance
Formally renouncing citizenship at a U.S. consular office
Formally renouncing citizenship to the U.S. Attorney General
By being convicted of committing treason
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brittany

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Jul 20 2009, 10:18 PM
Whether you can believe that Obama got elected doesn't matter. He did get elected. The answer doesn't lie in some nefarious plot but in the gullibility of your fellow Americans. Americans who believed he could deliver his campaign promises without bankrupting the country. Grit your teeth, stop trying to place the blame on some non existent conspiracy and go change some minds.

Cassius:
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."


Did I say he didnt get elected. Of course he did.Acorn helped and millions were dumb enough to vote for him.
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Brittany, your quote from the constitution doesn't support what you are saying. Natural born citizen isn't defined in that text. Case law over the years has said any one born on US soil becomes a full US citizen.
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SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
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Here's the BIRTH CERTIFICATE:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104599

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Auntie says he was born in Kenya. She was there.

Where is the Auntie here illegally?
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brittany
Jul 20 2009, 10:19 PM
If he was a US citizen he may have lost his citizenship in Indonesia.He was adopted by an Indonesia and had an Indonesian passport.

The U.S. Code does, however, see some acts as creating the possibility of a loss of nationality. When you lose your U.S. nationality, you are no longer under the protection or jurisdiction of the United States. When the United States considers you to no longer be of U.S. nationality, it in effect considers you to no longer be a citizen. Note that these are things you can do that may force you to lose your citizenship. The law also says that these acts must be voluntary and with the intent of losing U.S. citizenship. The ways to lose citizenship are detailed in 8 USC 1481:

Becoming naturalized in another country
Swearing an oath of allegiance to another country
Serving in the armed forces of a nation at war with the U.S., or if you are an officer in that force
Working for the government of another nation if doing so requires that you become naturalized or that you swear an oath of allegiance
Formally renouncing citizenship at a U.S. consular office
Formally renouncing citizenship to the U.S. Attorney General
By being convicted of committing treason
An entire quote listing possibilities that don't pertain to Obama. What were you trying to prove with that?
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