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Obama Is In Default -- Eligibility Case Will Be Heard; Where is birth certificate
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brittany

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Jul 20 2009, 09:26 AM
"Retired general, lieutenant colonel join reservist's lawsuit over Obama's birth status"

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/778482.html

"A controversial suit brought by a U.S. Army reservist has been joined by a retired Army two-star general and an active reserve Air Force lieutenant colonel."
Yes, he joined the suit,but the suit was dropped.
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This from "The Obama File":

Get Out Of War Free Card


Vox Day says the case of the missing birth certificate grows more and more curious. It has been fascinating to see how quickly various news sites have been frantically altering their assertions regarding Obama's birth hospital ever since Jerome Corsi broke the news of Barack Obama's letter to the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children on July 6. This means that Obama was either born twice in Hawaii, or he was not born at Queen's Medical Center, as he claimed in 2007 when he first announced his presidential candidacy in Springfield, Ill.

The attempt of the Obama administration to confuse the issue by substituting a computerized Certification of Live Birth for an actual Certificate of Live Birth -- which contains information about the birth hospital as well as the signature of the attending physician or midwife -- has failed.

While numerous attempts to clarify the historical record have been successfully fought by the administration's lawyers, the issue became much more serious when Maj. Stefan Cook, a U.S. Army reservist with deployment orders to Afghanistan, filed a lawsuit regarding his questions about the legality of a deployment order based on the command of a potentially illegitimate commander in chief. But rather than contesting the suit, the Army took the highly peculiar step of revoking the major's deployment order, suggesting that the Pentagon generals are not entirely confident that they can demonstrate the legitimacy of their purported commander in chief.

The doubts this action raised about Obama's legitimacy were further increased when Maj. Cook was almost immediately fired from his civilian job at a private defense contractor, reportedly due to pressure from a federal agency under the Department of Defense, the Defense Security Services Agency. Although the obvious purpose of revoking the deployment order was to render the lawsuit moot, the firing only provides Maj. Cook with additional ammunition for broadening the scope of his lawsuit now that he has suffered demonstrable material damages.

Maj. Cook has already been joined in his lawsuit by two other soldiers, a retired Army two-star general and an active reserve Air Force lieutenant colonel. But the potential consequences of the major's revoked deployment go far beyond the number of American soldiers with doubts about the legitimacy of orders from their nominal commander in chief. The Pentagon's decision to back down rather than risk exposing Obama's birth records to the public means that every single American soldier, sailor, pilot and Marine now holds a "get out of war free" card. Not only every deployment order, but every order issued from an officer in the line of command can now be challenged in the knowledge that the top brass are afraid to respond for fear that their commander could be exposed for a fraud.

Given the number of sea and barracks lawyers in the various branches of the U.S. military, it seems unlikely that it will take very long for servicemen who are disinclined to accept an unpalatable or dangerous order to figure out how to best make use of this useful little veto. If even a small number of soldiers elect to do so, the effect on military discipline could rapidly become catastrophic.

It is hard to comprehend why Obama has been so obsessively secretive about his personal records, but it is now time for him to call off his lawyers and show the American public his cards. It would be the height of irresponsibility for the commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces to be the source of destroying American military discipline. Permitting such an easily preventable situation to develop would very strongly imply that the man is not only ineligible for the office, but unfit for it as well.

The question about the Obama birth certificate is no longer one of conspiracy theory or hypothetical illegitimacy, as it now threatens to become a very serious military matter. Regardless of whether Barack Obama was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center, at the Queen's Medical Center, in Kenya or in a manger, the issue will have to be conclusively settled in the near future.

It is one thing for Obama to deny the curiosity of the American public by hiding behind the courts. It is very much another for him to deny the right of the men and women of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines, who are sworn to risk their lives upholding the Constitution of the United States of America, to be certain their orders are legitimate.

Where is the birth certificate?
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Congressman's town hall meeting erupts over "birth certificate".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V1nmn2zRMc&e
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brittany

talk show/press begin covering eligibility

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6700

One of the major papers in Georgia, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, also picked this story up, and one of their bloggers wasted no time in expressing his disdain towards the eligibility question.

A reporter from Sonoran News out of Cave Creek, Arizona has recently run some notable stories on this issue, such as “Ghana apparently didn’t get the memo” (with quite the honorable mention to my bodaciously kewl web site — many thanks for that!) and “Allen v. Soetoro assured standing in FOIA claim.”

Tomorrow, Charles Kerchner, lead Plaintiff in the currently pending case Kerchner v. Obama, will have his newest advertorial printed in The Washington Times Weekly Edition:

Newest version of Advertorial Series 2 inserted in tomorrow’s issue of the Washington Times National Weekly edition, on page 9. This one introduces to the readers of the paper and points out that Obama was a British Subject at birth in 1961. With citizenship of another country at birth, i.e., in Obama’s case British citizenship at birth he is not, and can never be, a natural born citizen of the USA. Also this insertion points out that the framers such as Franklin, Jay, Washington, and others used Vattel in the drafting of the founding documents such as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
Edited by brittany, Jul 20 2009, 03:45 PM.
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Some people still don't understand natural born citizen.His father was a British citizen.Obama CAN NOT be natural born.
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Advertisement today7/20 WashingtonTimes

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17478578/Kerchner-et-al-v-Obama-Congress-et-al-Advertorial-in-20090720-Issue-Wash-Times-Natl-Wkly-pg-9
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brittany
Jul 20 2009, 03:44 PM
talk show/press begin covering eligibility

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6700

One of the major papers in Georgia, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, also picked this story up, and one of their bloggers wasted no time in expressing his disdain towards the eligibility question.

A reporter from Sonoran News out of Cave Creek, Arizona has recently run some notable stories on this issue, such as “Ghana apparently didn’t get the memo” (with quite the honorable mention to my bodaciously kewl web site — many thanks for that!) and “Allen v. Soetoro assured standing in FOIA claim.”

Tomorrow, Charles Kerchner, lead Plaintiff in the currently pending case Kerchner v. Obama, will have his newest advertorial printed in The Washington Times Weekly Edition:

Newest version of Advertorial Series 2 inserted in tomorrow’s issue of the Washington Times National Weekly edition, on page 9. This one introduces to the readers of the paper and points out that Obama was a British Subject at birth in 1961. With citizenship of another country at birth, i.e., in Obama’s case British citizenship at birth he is not, and can never be, a natural born citizen of the USA. Also this insertion points out that the framers such as Franklin, Jay, Washington, and others used Vattel in the drafting of the founding documents such as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
Rush said today that he has to prove in 14 different ways, that he was not in New York, on certain days, for the tax officials in NYC and NY. But we have a President that doesn't even have to prove he was born here in the United States and is a natural born citizen.
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brittany
Jul 20 2009, 03:47 PM
Britt I can only hope that some more Americans will wake up and smell the birth certificate.
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Jul 20 2009, 03:59 PM
brittany
Jul 20 2009, 03:47 PM
Britt I can only hope that some more Americans will wake up and smell the birth certificate.
Why isn't the MSM getting on the issue of his birth certificate, since all of us have to produce one to get a passport or even a drivers license? Obama seems to care less about American citizens and more about Africa, where he was born. Why doesn't the POTUS have to produce a birth certificate. If you apply for a job, you need certain documents to get hired, which usually includes a birth certificate, I know I needed on to join the US Marines. What ever happened to that rule? I had to have a birth certificate, to be a recruit, at Parris Island, he doesn't need on to be the Commander and Chief, there is something wrong with this system?
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Jul 20 2009, 08:52 PM
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Jul 20 2009, 03:59 PM
brittany
Jul 20 2009, 03:47 PM
Britt I can only hope that some more Americans will wake up and smell the birth certificate.
Why isn't the MSM getting on the issue of his birth certificate, since all of us have to produce one to get a passport or even a drivers license? Obama seems to care less about American citizens and more about Africa, where he was born. Why doesn't the POTUS have to produce a birth certificate. If you apply for a job, you need certain documents to get hired, which usually includes a birth certificate, I know I needed on to join the US Marines. What ever happened to that rule? I had to have a birth certificate, to be a recruit, at Parris Island, he doesn't need on to be the Commander and Chief, there is something wrong with this system?
The MSM isn't covering this issue because there is no issue. He's a US citizen. He provided the document that the state of Hawaii gives you. The same as all of the other citizens of Hawaii get. I've have hired people, been hired got a drivers license yadda, yadda without a birth certificate. You're making a straw man argument. If Obama applied for a passport he would submitt the exact document he did when questions about his citizenship arose. The only one the state of Hawii provides.

I'm watching this controversy play out and am amazed at how the goal posts shift. People want to see a document Obama provides one and immediately "experts" declare it false. Experts who are so proffesional that they can look at a scan of a document online and know that it's false. Was there any discomfort among the Birthers that their "experts" came to a conclusion after looking at something on line. None that I'm aware of. So the next step was a verification by Factcheck.org which was immediately dismissed because they are financed by the Annenberg Foundation. Two contemporaneous birth anouncements. Not evidence, had to have been a plot hatched 45 years ago. Confirmation by two government employees. They're lying, even the Republican.

For the Birthers who read this I know that no amount of evidence will sway you. I recommend Michael Schermer's book Why People Believe Weird Things as a first step to getting a grip on reality.





Edited by wayne fontes, Jul 20 2009, 09:22 PM.
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brittany

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Jul 20 2009, 09:18 PM
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Jul 20 2009, 08:52 PM
retiredLEO
Jul 20 2009, 03:59 PM
brittany
Jul 20 2009, 03:47 PM
Britt I can only hope that some more Americans will wake up and smell the birth certificate.
Why isn't the MSM getting on the issue of his birth certificate, since all of us have to produce one to get a passport or even a drivers license? Obama seems to care less about American citizens and more about Africa, where he was born. Why doesn't the POTUS have to produce a birth certificate. If you apply for a job, you need certain documents to get hired, which usually includes a birth certificate, I know I needed on to join the US Marines. What ever happened to that rule? I had to have a birth certificate, to be a recruit, at Parris Island, he doesn't need on to be the Commander and Chief, there is something wrong with this system?
The MSM isn't covering this issue because there is no issue. He's a US citizen. He provided the document that the state of Hawaii gives you. The same as all of the other citizens of Hawaii get. I've have hired people, been hired got a drivers license yadda, yadda without a birth certificate. You're making a straw man argument. If Obama applied for a passport he would submitt the exact document he did when questions about his citizenship arose. The only one the state of Hawii provides.

I'm watching this controversy play out and am amazed at how the goal posts shift. People want to see a document Obama provides one and immediately "experts" declare it false. Experts who are so proffesional that they can look at a scan of a document online and know that it's false. Was there any discomfort among the Birthers that their "experts" came to a conclusion after looking at something on line. None that I'm aware of. So the next step was a verification by Factcheck.org which was immediately dismissed because they are financed by the Annenberg Foundation. Two contemporaneous birth anouncements. Not evidence, had to have been a plot hatched 45 years ago. Confirmation by two government employees. They're lying, even the Republican.

For the Birthers who read this I know that no amount of evidence will sway you. I recommend Michael Schermer's book Why People Believe Weird Things as a first step to getting a grip on reality.





YOU don't a clue as to what a natural born citizen is.You have to be one to be president and you can't be natural born if your father was a British citizen and conveyed his citizenship to his son .I recommend you read the constitution.
Edited by brittany, Jul 20 2009, 09:38 PM.
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brittany

Obama's sister has the same birth certificate from Hawaii and she was born in Indonesia. At least she admits she was born in Indonesia. So did Sun Yet Sen have a Hawaiian birth certificate.

He's a fraud.
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I do have a clue Brittany. If you were born in the US you are a citizen and eligible to be the president. If you can pint to one case, ever, that a person born in the US didn't qualify for US citizenship you might have a point.

I'll wait for your reply.
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I like my answer - it wouldn't matter. I've been saying that.

From 3 days ago, (NPR) National Public Radio:

"Let's imagine that Barack Obama had been born in Indonesia or Kenya or anywhere else for that matter, and hadn't become a citizen until moving to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Is there one good reason why that would make him less fit to be president?"
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"A person can't help where they were born any more than they can help the color of their skin or their gender."


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106724373

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A U.S. citizen is not eligible to be president.They have to be natural born. Child of 2 parents who were citizens of the U.S. There was a bill or something in Congress cause McCain was born on a US military base in Panama. He was the son of 2 U.S.citizens.
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