| Obama Is In Default -- Eligibility Case Will Be Heard; Where is birth certificate | |
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| brittany | Sep 8 2009, 05:43 PM Post #376 |
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august 14 http://www.ocregister.com/articles/taitz-case-drake-2529130-health-county Orly Taitz, the Mission Viejo lawyer trying to get Barack Obama thrown out of office, says she's had enough of two of her clients in the case and will continue without them. Whoa, say the two. "This is our case," said Buena Park Pastor Wiley Drake, one of the two plaintiffs Taitz has unilaterally tried to have removed from the case. The lawsuit challenges Obama's birthplace and his legitimacy as president. The latest chapter in the drama started when Drake and Markham G. Robinson notified Taitz that they were replacing her as counsel. Taitz continues to represent 40 other plaintiffs in the federal case filed in Santa Ana. Drake complained that Taitz's paperwork errors have delayed proceedings. "Orly is getting overwhelmed," Drake said. "We all make mistakes, but she is in over her head." Taitz's initial complaint was sent back to her by the court for being incomplete, as was a filing last week alleging the possession of a Kenyan birth registration for Obama – a document experts have dismissed as a forgery. Among omissions in the more recent document was such basic information as Taitz's bar number. In another recent filing by Taitz, her own name was misspelled as "Orley." "I rest my case," Drake said. Drake and Robinson are now being represented by Gary Kreep, who has previously worked for abortion foes and is counsel for the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. Kreep said he is looking to make changes to Taitz's filings. "There were some problems with the initial complaint," he said. "It needs to be amended to make the case stronger." Edited by brittany, Sep 8 2009, 06:08 PM.
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| brittany | Sep 8 2009, 05:45 PM Post #377 |
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You don't need a sloppy attorney handing something this important.
Edited by brittany, Sep 8 2009, 05:46 PM.
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| brittany | Sep 8 2009, 06:11 PM Post #378 |
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theobamafile From The Courtroom -- The Latest The Give Us Liberty blog is blogging from the courtroom. At 9:26 AM there was no visible media turnout for this hearing as in no SatCam uplink trucks. At 10:02 Justice Carter noting the packed courtroom and overflow crowd waiting in the hallways has ordered a change to a larger courtroom and has taken a 2 hour recess to accommodate the transfer of officers of the court and spectators. The estimated age range of those present is 18 to 80 -- 70% Men -- 30% Women -- age 60+ seems to be the majority. Attorney Orly Taitz appeared relaxed -- calm cool and collected. Justice Carter recessed the court at 12.30 pst 9/8/09 -- his rulings: 10/5/09 Defense Motion to Dismiss (MTD) to be heard -- Judge Carter indicated only a very strong compelling reason would move him to dismiss at this point. He will review the defense's 9/4/09 MTD. He wants to hear the case on it's merits. Discovery to be ordered 10/5/09 if Motion to Dismiss is thrown out. 1/11/10 Pre Trial Set -- procedural for other motions, depositions, scheduling, etc 1/26/10 Trial Date Set -- earliest available date for Justice Carter. |
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| retiredLEO | Sep 8 2009, 06:37 PM Post #379 |
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This is why these attorney's are going to be taken as a joke. Both lawyer seem to have the same goal, why can't they just work together, to move the case forward? Who cares about who gets credit for what, they need to work together, for a result. I believe that Kreep and Taitz should be working together. They seem to have the same goal and the more they argue, the more it looks like they want to lose the case all together. Now the Judge has streched it out until January. These two lawyers are the one's delaying the judges decision. I guess we will have to wait until 2012 and by then it will be to late to correct all the things that Obama has done to this country. I heard a complaint today that you can raise taxes and the next administration or congress can lower them, but once you pass health care it is a done deal. Edited by retiredLEO, Sep 8 2009, 06:41 PM.
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| brittany | Sep 8 2009, 09:54 PM Post #380 |
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http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/2009/09/08/obama-birthplace-lawsuit-in-oc-plauged-by-infighting/21081/ updated |
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| brittany | Sep 8 2009, 10:03 PM Post #381 |
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This is getting serious. OCReader says: September 8, 2009 at 6:02 pmHere is a report from an eye witness at the hearing today. It appears Wisckol is brushing over the significance of the outcome of the hearing. The biggest news is that the motion to dismiss was NOT granted and a trial date has been set. This means there must be a “Discovery” phase where Obama’s team will need to produce the proof needed to at least satisfy the courts, even if it doesn’t satisfy the people. We are taking baby steps, but the truth will come out and BO will HAVE TO reveal who he REALLY is! ————————————————————————————– The expedited trial has been set for Jan. 26, 2010, just 4 1/2 months from now! I and many other concerned veterans and citizens attended the hearing today in Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief. About 150 people showed up, almost all in support of the lawsuit to demand that Obama release his birth certificate and other records that he has hidden from the American people. Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama’s request for dismissal today, instead setting a hearing date for Oct. 5, since Obama’s attorneys had just filed the motion on Friday. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. I guess Obama would prefer a “kangaroo court” instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama’s motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one). The judge, who is a former U.S. Marine, repeated several times that this is a very serious case which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said Obama must prove his eligibility to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President! The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times. Obama’s attorneys left the courtroom after about the 90 minute hearing looking defeated and nervous. Great day in America for the U.S. Constitution!!! The truth about Barack Obama’s eligibility will be known fairly soon - Judge Carter practically guaranteed it! Video from the press conference after the hearing coming soon. Congratulations to plaintiffs attorney Dr. Orly Taitz! She did a great job and won some huge victories today. She was fearless! ——————————————————————————————- Edited by brittany, Sep 8 2009, 10:05 PM.
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| brittany | Sep 8 2009, 10:09 PM Post #382 |
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Discovery as in what we need in the Duke lax case,too. |
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| retiredLEO | Sep 8 2009, 10:11 PM Post #383 |
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I am about ready to go to bed, but these two lawyers are why Obama thrives today, they have the same goal, but they are always fighting, I learned that lesson at the ripe old age of 18, you may disagree, with the othe side, but if you have the same objective, you have to join forces to beat the enemy. |
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| brittany | Sep 8 2009, 10:12 PM Post #384 |
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Yes,they are acting like children. |
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| retiredLEO | Sep 8 2009, 10:20 PM Post #385 |
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Check this from The Obama File http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm Shocker! Judge Orders Trial Jerome Corsi reports that a California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama's eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution. If the case actually goes to arguments before U.S. District Judge David Carter, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys working on the issue. In a highly anticipated hearing today before Carter, several motions were heard, including a resolution to long-standing questions about whether attorney Orly Taitz properly served notice on the defendants, which she had. In a second ruling, Carter ordered that attorney Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation can be added to the case to represent plaintiffs Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson, who had been removed by an earlier court order. Drake, the vice presidential candidate for the American Independent Party, and Robinson, the party's chairman, also were restored to the case. But the judge did not immediately rule on Taitz' motion to be granted discovery -- that is the right to see the president's still-concealed records. Nor did Carter rule immediately on a motion to dismiss the case, submitted by the U.S. government, following discussion over Taitz' challenge to the work of a magistrate in the case. The judge did comment that if there are legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama's eligibility, they need to be addressed and resolved. Carter ordered a hearing Oct. 5 on the motion to dismiss and ordered arguments submitted on the issue of discovery. If the case survives that challenge, a pretrial hearing has been scheduled for Jan. 11 and the trial for two weeks later. The case would be the first time, according to Kreep, that the actual merits of the dispute will have been heard in open court. A multitude of such disputes have been rejected out of hand by various state and federal courts. Even the U.S. Supreme Court repeatedly has rejected urgent appeals to hear the evidence. There have been dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President." Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time. Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born. Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated to be approaching $2 million to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions. Among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records. In the U.S. Justice Department's motion to dismiss, attorneys didn't address the concerns directly, but instead focused their efforts on technical procedures, suggesting the matter can't be decided in court and that the dozens of plaintiffs cannot demonstrate they have been injured by having Obama in the Oval Office. "It is clear, from the text of the Constitution, and the relevant statutory law implementing the Constitution's textual commitments, that challenges to the qualifications of a candidate for president can, in the first instance, be presented to the voting public before the election, and, once the election is over, can be raised as objections as the electoral votes are counted in the Congress," wrote Assistant U.S. Attorneys Roger West and David DeJute. "Therefore, challenges such as those purportedly raised in this case are committed, under the Constitution, to the electors, and to the Legislative branch." Obama's defenders also said they would file a motion seeking to block any discovery of evidence at this point. Kreep said said his addition to the case probably will mean additional arguments over the president's eligibility. Among the long list of plaintiffs are former ambassador and presidential candidate Alan Keyes and longshot vice-presidential candidate Gail Lightfoot, both of whom ran in 2008. Justice officials say because neither had a mathematical chance at winning, they were not directly harmed by the election of Obama. But among the issues that appear to be looming is a claim that Obama's actual birth certificate from Kenya has emerged. Those Justice Department lawyers sure look like they're grasping at very thin straws. What's that the lawyers say? When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. When you have the law on your side, argue the law. Looks like Obama's lawyers are afraid of the facts. Whatever is in -- or not in -- Obama's documentation must be something! He could end it all in the AM with a phone call. Edited by retiredLEO, Sep 8 2009, 10:26 PM.
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| brittany | Sep 8 2009, 10:27 PM Post #386 |
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You have to have 2 parents who were US citzens to be natural born. If Obama Sr.was his father,he CAN NOT be natural born.
Edited by brittany, Sep 9 2009, 07:04 AM.
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| retiredLEO | Sep 8 2009, 11:25 PM Post #387 |
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Brit I don't know how much more I could agree with you. When I joned the US Maries back in 1969 I needed a birth certificate. When I renewed my drivesr license, I needed my birth certificate and that was in March of this year, but I don't need a birth certificate to run for POTUS. These morons challenged McCains birth, because he was born in the Panama Canal zone, at that time it was considered US territory and both his parents were US citizens. Plus the Panama Canal zone at the time was considered US territory, kind of like being born in a US Embasy abroad to some dilomate. We have no clue where Obama was born, who paid for his eduacation, what his college record look like, what he wrote for the Harvard Review, hid college thesis. We as Americans know nothing about this guy? So my best guess is that we will all sit around and sing "Joy to the World", and let Obama become not only Commander and Chief, but the King of the United States. He may have been born in Hawaii, but where is the brith certificate? The Man is only 48 years old, are ther any witnesses to his birth in Hawaii? I know there are some in Kenya, who saw him born there. Obama is a fraud that is taking us down a path we will neve recover from. You can always roll back taxes, but once you give everyone in the country "FREE INSURANCE, FOR HEALTH CARE", that is it. Our sons and daughters and their will be paying that for the rest of their livex, at the cost of their own Fredoms. |
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| Concerned | Sep 8 2009, 11:30 PM Post #388 |
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Show Me the Birth Certificate James David Manning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujugUiFtBKU&feature=related |
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| retiredLEO | Sep 8 2009, 11:37 PM Post #389 |
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Good find, Concerned. |
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| retiredLEO | Sep 8 2009, 11:55 PM Post #390 |
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How long ago did you see this video? |
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