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Obama Is In Default -- Eligibility Case Will Be Heard; Where is birth certificate
Topic Started: Jul 14 2009, 07:21 PM (12,077 Views)
Rusty Dog
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If we were truly deranged "birthers" we wouldn't abandon this Kenyan BC just because it had a few problems. But we do. We are in search of the truth. I agree that the passport and college records will tell us so much.
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Locomotive Breath

Just for the record, the Orly Taitz filing asks for help in proving or disproving the authenticity of the document purporting to be a BC for Obama in Kenya. She has never made the claim that it's authentic. It's in the filing. Go read it. I would have expected better from liestoppers.

Most of the points regarding the possibility of inauthenticity were made at Freerepublic long before any of the pundits pirated them. The document is very specific. All they have to do is pull the original record in Kenya. If it's available. That, in fact, is what the Orly filing is asking for.
Edited by Locomotive Breath, Aug 4 2009, 01:27 PM.
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LTC8K6
Aug 3 2009, 11:59 PM
http://washingtonindependent.com/53658/is-this-the-source-of-the-forged-kenyan-birth-certificate

Looks like the source of the fake Kenyan BC has been located as it eventually had to be.
The purported Australian document uses a different font than the purported Kenyan document. Look at the two strips of headers. It seems completely unlikely that one could be derived from the the other by photoshop or likewise. Notice how the original site from which the Aussie document is derived is "conveniently" down.

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As for the uniformity of information required on both documents - Australia and Kenya were both part of the British Empire. It's completely not astonishing that the Brits would have uniform reporting requirements. It would be more astonishing if the Brits allowed each colony to make it up on their own.

What would be valuable would be if someone rounds up a Kenyan document from the same year and it's the same or different. The only thing that would settle the issue would be if a qualified documents expert sat down with the original physical copies of both documents.

As has been pointed out, there's no question that Obots would purposely muddy the waters with fake documents. Just because all you can see is haystack doesn't mean there's no needle in there.
Edited by Locomotive Breath, Aug 4 2009, 01:40 PM.
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Ahhh, you do make good points. Thanks.
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Just for grins look at the numeral 1 (one) in Bombard birth certificate from which it is alleged the Obama birth certificate was generated. Look at the line "Date and Place of Birth". The "10th April" is different from the "l959". There are two different type fonts. Old typewriters often didn't have a "1" key. You were supposed to use a lower case "l". They often didn't have have a 0 (zero) key. You were supposed to use an uppercase "O". Notice how they are different in the computer font of this post I'm writing? Other typewriters did have dedicated numeral 1 and 0 keys. Is it plausible that a typist had such a typewriter and switched from one to the other during the generation of this document? Who knows? But upon such tiny details are the authenticity of documents proven or disproven.

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

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"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."
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Aug 5 2009, 07:26 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

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"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."
Yes, yes, yes - old news.

So we're just supposed to take the word of this Dem apparatchik? Notice the careful wording and she doesn't say what's on the "original vital records" (whatever the hell THAT means - what records exactly is she referring to?).

If all is well there should not be any problem for Obama to release the "original vital records" to the general public. Yet he's spending money in court to prevent the release. Repeatedly. Maybe that doesn't run up a red flag for you but it does for me. I don't like being stonewalled. This from the guy who promises the most transparent administration evah?

In fact, BO's entire life story is a blank book. I think we have the right to know what he's been doing. Or are are we just supposed to believe that Obama is the male counterpart to the goddess of wisdom Athena who sprung fully grown from the forehead of Zeus?
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Not old, this is a re-affirmation made 7/27/09.

Dem apparatchik or no, it will be difficult to get around consistent statements by the officials who would know.

Here is her original statement, which is very clear that she is in possession of the original birth certificate and that no one has asked her to treat it any differently:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wYOqE4H4V6U/SQ9jk0XwP8I/AAAAAAAAAZY/_LDcULdVwoc/s1600-h/08-93.JPG

When you can get around this, get back to me. :clean:

P.S. Claiming that she is lying does not qualify. :laughin:

And I still don't like Barry one little bit... :toast:
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LTC8K6
Aug 5 2009, 09:06 AM
Not old, this is a re-affirmation made 7/27/09.

Dem apparatchik or no, it will be difficult to get around consistent statements by the officials who would know.

Here is her original statement, which is very clear that she is in possession of the original birth certificate and that no one has asked her to treat it any differently:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wYOqE4H4V6U/SQ9jk0XwP8I/AAAAAAAAAZY/_LDcULdVwoc/s1600-h/08-93.JPG

When you can get around this, get back to me. :clean:

P.S. Claiming that she is lying does not qualify. :laughin:

And I still don't like Barry one little bit... :toast:
I'm aware of both statements. "Old news" = "last week's news". Internet time, you know? :P

My problem is with Obama, not her, necessarily. Her statement is very carefully worded. We're back to "what is the meaning of the word is". It's possible to not tell a lie but still leave someone with an intentional misrepresentation.

But, in any event, she's not a lawyer and steps over the line declaring Obama to be a "natural born citizen" since the courts have never actually ruled on what that constitutional phrase means. This would be a good time to do that.

It would take Obama 15 seconds to get her off the hot seat. But he won't and it smells.
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I would love for a reporter to ask the following question during a prime time new conference.

“Mr. President….during your campaign you pledged that your administration would be the most transparent ever. With all the continued questions being asked about your birth certificate, as well as many other documents such as college transcripts, thesis papers, client list, etc, will you live up to your campaign promise and release these documents for public scrutiny? And if not, will you please explain to the American people WTF you’re hiding?”
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jvj
Aug 5 2009, 11:07 AM
I would love for a reporter to ask the following question during a prime time new conference.

“Mr. President….during your campaign you pledged that your administration would be the most transparent ever. With all the continued questions being asked about your birth certificate, as well as many other documents such as college transcripts, thesis papers, client list, etc, will you live up to your campaign promise and release these documents for public scrutiny? And if not, will you please explain to the American people WTF you’re hiding?”
Yeah. Like that'll happen. Maybe some "Joe the Plumber" citizen at a town hall might if they don't get their screening right.
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Locomotive Breath
Aug 5 2009, 12:56 PM
jvj
Aug 5 2009, 11:07 AM
I would love for a reporter to ask the following question during a prime time new conference.

“Mr. President….during your campaign you pledged that your administration would be the most transparent ever. With all the continued questions being asked about your birth certificate, as well as many other documents such as college transcripts, thesis papers, client list, etc, will you live up to your campaign promise and release these documents for public scrutiny? And if not, will you please explain to the American people WTF you’re hiding?”
Yeah. Like that'll happen. Maybe some "Joe the Plumber" citizen at a town hall might if they don't get their screening right.
One can only hope.....

Is there any doubt that if this were Bush then every major news outlet in the country would be screaming this question at the top of their lungs???
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jvj
Aug 5 2009, 01:55 PM
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Aug 5 2009, 12:56 PM
jvj
Aug 5 2009, 11:07 AM
I would love for a reporter to ask the following question during a prime time new conference.

“Mr. President….during your campaign you pledged that your administration would be the most transparent ever. With all the continued questions being asked about your birth certificate, as well as many other documents such as college transcripts, thesis papers, client list, etc, will you live up to your campaign promise and release these documents for public scrutiny? And if not, will you please explain to the American people WTF you’re hiding?”
Yeah. Like that'll happen. Maybe some "Joe the Plumber" citizen at a town hall might if they don't get their screening right.
One can only hope.....

Is there any doubt that if this were Bush then every major news outlet in the country would be screaming this question at the top of their lungs???
Obama would probably say "That's tabloid trash and I'm not going to respond to it".
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I heard Chris Mathews say the highest percentage of the people, that believe Obama wasn't born in the USA are from the south. Maybe they are the wisest among us.
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Yeahh!!! Let's hear it for the South, where we hold on to our God, our guns, our neighborhoods, and our Bill of Rights. Yep. And where we don't care what color you are anymore, we reserve the right to be suspicious of suspicious people.
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