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Obama Is In Default -- Eligibility Case Will Be Heard; Where is birth certificate
Topic Started: Jul 14 2009, 07:21 PM (12,087 Views)
diet_dr_pepper
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brittany
Jul 21 2009, 12:49 AM
wingedwheel
Jul 21 2009, 12:42 AM
brittany
Jul 21 2009, 12:36 AM
You obviously don't have younger children.It's the rule.They want to ensure everyone is playing fairly and not stacking the teams with older kids. Didn't you play Little League?
I can't remember if we had to show a BC or not when I was a kid. I do remember for football there was a weight requirement. One kid I know put rocks or some kind of weights in his pocket so he would weigh more. I am not kidding.
We have an age and max weight requirement for football. No minimum weight so no rocks needed. If you exceed the max weight, you have the option of playing up a grade.
My youngest was one of three really big (weight and height) for football. Depending on their weight some boys were excluded from being able to carry the ball. He always played the offensive and defensive line. There was one time he picked up a fumble and knelt down. He thought he was not allowed to run with the ball. The coaches later told him he was allowed to run if he picked up a fumbled ball.
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diet_dr_pepper
Jul 22 2009, 01:06 PM
wayne fontes
Jul 21 2009, 12:33 AM
brittany
Jul 21 2009, 12:27 AM
I had to show one for my kid to play soccer, football; lacrosse and Little League.
You've got to be kidding. I have a copy of mine and I"ve used it once in 25 years (to get a passport). What possible need for youth sports does a birth certificate fill?
Yes, I had to bring and show my son's birth certifcate for him to be signed up for all rec sports here in rural Virginia. It could not be a copy. It had to be an offical one with the seal. Of course, I used the Certificate of Live Birth (extra copies we had purchased from Hawaii). My oldest was born in Trippler Medical Hospital, a military hospital. At least the Certificate of Live Birth had a seal and they accepted it.

I personally do not think the offical checking the birth certicates knew the difference. I at least had the original just in case they wanted it.
Little League is obviously more important than POTUS.
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DMom

"Little League is obviously more important than POTUS" :ears:


no, LL is more honest and above board than potus :fspin:
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brittany

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/birther-boom/

NY Times
July 22, 2009, 3:45 pm
Birther’ BoomBy Eric Etheridge
(Updated below)

“Slowly but surely, this meme is going mainstream,” says Allpundit.

“Did Lou Dobbs really GO THERE? Seriously? This is getting absurd,” says the First Read team at MSNBC.

Six months into his presidency, the charge that Barack Obama is — literally — un-American is gaining not losing steam. Yes, the Birther bump is growing.

Need some backstory? Allow The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder to explain: “Birthers, for the uninitiated, is a term used by the media to ridicule those who believe that the president’s Hawaiian birth certificate is fake and that because he was ostensibly born in Kenya, not the United States, he was never eligible to be president in the first place.”


To the extent that one can conclusively prove such things in our postmodern age, this claim has been extremely thoroughly debunked. The birther movement may be premised on a fictional belief, but it is savvy: birthers now wear the term “birther” as badge of honor, as if they were a persecuted minority — which, come to think of it, is one mechanism for solidarity in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Whether the idea has been debunked or or not is not something that seems to impact the birther movement. In fact, as Dave Weigel points out, “the ‘birther’ movement began in response to Obama’s own efforts to debunk rumors.”

One year ago this week, the presidential campaign of then-Sen. Barack Obama launched FightTheSmears.com, a web site designed to push back against false rumors about the first African-American presidential nominee. To push back against rumors that he was not born in Hawaii, the campaign reproduced a Certificate of Live Birth from the state’s Health Department. Instead of terminating the conspiracy theories, that inspired new theories — that the certificate had been forged or that even if it hadn’t been forged it was the sort of certificate that could be given to someone born outside of the United States. But the certificate is specific about Obama’s birth in Honolulu, down to the 7:24 p.m. time.

Weigel, whose Washington Independent article provides a detailed history of the movement, says “the cottage industry of conspiracy theories about the president’s birth shows no signs of disappearing,” even despite suffering “scores of embarrassing legal defeats, and even after tussles between the attorneys who’ve turned frivolous lawsuits about the president’s citizenship into full-time jobs.”

The theories have found a home in talk radio and on conservative web sites such as Free Republic and WorldNetDaily. Conspiracy theorists are increasingly sending letters to their local papers, embarrassing members of Congress at town hall meetings, and hounding Hill staffers about challenges to the president’s citizenship.

Back at The Atlantic, Ambinder provides his list of “the most prominent birthers”:

Alan Keyes, the former presidential candidate and Obama Senate challenger; Orly Tait, a wonderfully named lawyer from California; Phil Berg, a Democrat; and Michael Reagan, son of Ronald Reagan, and a prominent radio talk show host. This is, at once, a fringe movement and something greater. It’s fringe because no important Republicans believe it, and most are offended by it. It’s greater because some fairly prominent local lawmakers are beginning to sign birther petitions.

No list of prominent anythings that begins with Alan Keyes can be considered a murderer’s row, but lately some of the first-string have been flirting with the idea.

As the First Readers noticed and as James Rainey recounted in The Los Angeles Times, last week, Lou Dobbs fielded a call from a birther — “David from Freeport, N.Y.,” — who was “musing darkly about President Obama ‘rushing all these programs through by whatever means,’ knowing he will soon be exposed as a fake, a fraud, a … Kenyan.”

“Certainly your view can’t be discounted,” Dobbs replied.

On Monday, Rush Limbaugh went further: “Barack Obama has yet to have to prove he’s a citizen. All he’d have to do is show a birth certificate.”

Last night on Larry King, Liz Cheney passed up several chances to “denounce the birthers,” writes Joan Walsh in Salon. Instead, “Cheney demurred, telling King the Birther movement exists because “People are uncomfortable with a president who is reluctant to defend the nation overseas.’ ”

Also on his show, Larry King played the viral video that is partly responsible for fueling the current boomlet. In it, a birther challenges Rep. Mike Castle, a Delaware Republican, at a town-hall meeting that took place last week.

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“What’s most notable, to me, at least,” says Ambinder, “is not how scared Castle looked or how passionately the woman argued for Barack Obama’s foreign birth. It was the reaction of the audience, a good portion of which erupted into cheers and youbetchas.”

“The real story in all of this,” say MSNBC’s First Readers: “is that Republican Party has a HUGE problem with its base right now.”

That some Republicans believe a man who won last year’s presidential contest by seven percentage points is not the legitimate president is a base problem much bigger than Cindy Sheehan anti-war protestors or black helicopter conspiracy theorists who flock to some Ron Paul events. Check out how flummoxed Castle looked. How many other Republican elected officials are dealing with questioners like this woman?

Another way to put that last question is, How many Republican officials are dealing with questioners like this woman who are members of Congress? The answer seems to be at least 10, since that’s the number of G.O.P. representatives who have signed on to sponsor a bill, calls for future presidential candidates to provide a birth certificate.

One of the cosponsors, Rep. John Campbell, appeared on Chris Matthews yesterday, which yielded another video now making the rounds.



Edited by brittany, Jul 22 2009, 08:40 PM.
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brittany

So they have a name for folks like me "Birthers".
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I'll wager Copernicus was called the equivalent of 'birther' back when he suggested the planets orbited the sun.
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brittany

http://www.thehopeforamerica.com/play.php?id=1560

Matthews interviews G. Gordon Liddy about the birth certificate. 10 minute interview.
Edited by brittany, Jul 24 2009, 12:25 PM.
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diet_dr_pepper
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Seems this article says Hawaiia went paperless for birth certicates. How can I find out the truth? My son was borned in Honolulu Hawaii.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_07/019219.php

edit to ask: Maybe I'm reading the article wrong? :confus:
Edited by diet_dr_pepper, Jul 25 2009, 10:52 AM.
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FROM THE DESK OF Gary G. Kreep

Barack Hussein Obama's "birthday" is coming up in just two weeks -- on August 4th... so we have a special birthday surprise planned for him, and I would like YOU to take part.
FAX All 50 State Attorneys General To
Investigate Obama's Birthday FRAUD:
https://secure.conservativedonations.com/usjf_faxag/?a=2756

According to published reports, Barack Obama's legal team has been paid over one million dollars, so far, to STOP anyone from seeing ANY of his actual identification documents, or many other documents:
Actual long-form birth certificate (NOT an easily-forged electronic copy of a short-form document that is not even officially accepted in Hawaii)
Passport files
University of Chicago Law School scholarly articles
Harvard Law Review articles
Harvard Law School records
Columbia University records
Columbia University senior thesis, "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"
Occidental College records, including financial aid that he may have received
Punahou School records, where Mr. Obama attended from the fifth grade until he finished high school
Noelani Elementary School records, where Barack Obama attended kindergarten (according to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register -- but parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country)
Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004
Obama's client list from during his time in private practice with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard
Illinois State Bar Association records
Baptism records
Obama/Dunham marriage license
Obama/Dunham divorce documents
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license
Soetero/Dunham Adoption records
By the way, the issue of the Occidental College records is especially pertinent. The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) served officials at Occidental College with a subpoena to produce records concerning Barack Obama's attendance there during the 1980's, because those records could document whether he was attending as a foreign national. You see, Mr. Obama attended the school on a scholarship -- and there are questions as to whether the financial aid he received was reserved for foreign students. The Obama attorneys have bent over backward to block us. He doesn't want anyone to see those records. He's STILL trying to hide them; those financial records STILL have not been released.

WHAT is Barack Obama trying to hide? WHAT is he afraid of? WHY doesn't he just release these documents to prove that he is a natural-born citizen and, therefore, qualified to serve as President -- especially his actual birth certificate?

Isn't it time we FORCED him to come clean? His "birthday" is the PERFECT time to do it!
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Concerned
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/23/jon-stewart-eviscerates-t_n_243383.html

Video: Jon Stewart scorning "birthers."

The libs are having a heyday with this.
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genny6348
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My hope is that he will eventually piss of the right people and they will make sure the veil of mystery is raised on his past. Make it sooner rather than later.
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retiredLEO
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John Stewart is our whole education system in one person. He is selling BS to the public and the dumbest of the dumb are buying it as news.
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This looks like a blow to the theory he's not eligible.


McCain's Lawyers investigated Obama citizenship


As we asked earlier this week, if questions over President Obama's citizenship were valid, wouldn't they have come out during the presidential campaign?

David Weigel talked with Trevor Potter and other lawyers for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign who said that they did look into the Obama citizenship rumors and found them without merit.

Said Potter: "To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations. We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii. There was a certificate issued by the state's Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/07/24/mccain_lawyers_investigated_obama_citizenship.html
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brittany

Anyone can put an ad in the paper.Like his grandparents. Sohe could get U.S. benefits. McCain's people had to tread lightly. Why spend $700,000 to hide it.Hisfather was Kenyan.
Edited by brittany, Jul 26 2009, 12:52 PM.
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genny6348
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Nah, the jury is still out until all the missing documents are released. Then we can say it's over.
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