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Obama Is In Default -- Eligibility Case Will Be Heard; Where is birth certificate
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brittany
Jul 21 2009, 12:43 AM
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I had to show my Birth Certificate for Little league. My parents couldn't find it and we went to get a replacement - they gave us a Certificate of Live Birth as the proof.

Little league was many years ago, of course.

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and they accepted the Certif.of Live Birth? LOL
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And that's all I have to this day.

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Jul 21 2009, 12:42 AM
brittany
Jul 21 2009, 12:36 AM
You obviously don't have younger children.It's the rule.They want to ensure everyone is playing fairly and not stacking the teams with older kids. Didn't you play Little League?
I can't remember if we had to show a BC or not when I was a kid. I do remember for football there was a weight requirement. One kid I know put rocks or some kind of weights in his pocket so he would weigh more. I am not kidding.
We have an age and max weight requirement for football. No minimum weight so no rocks needed. If you exceed the max weight, you have the option of playing up a grade.
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Jul 21 2009, 12:46 AM
brittany
Jul 21 2009, 12:43 AM
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Jul 21 2009, 12:42 AM
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I had to show my Birth Certificate for Little league. My parents couldn't find it and we went to get a replacement - they gave us a Certificate of Live Birth as the proof.

Little league was many years ago, of course.

.
and they accepted the Certif.of Live Birth? LOL
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And that's all I have to this day.

I'd still vote for you for POTUS.
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brittany
Jul 21 2009, 12:49 AM
We have an age and max weight requirement for football. No minimum weight so no rocks needed. If you exceed the max weight, you have the option of playing up a grade.
That's what the kid wanted. I can't remember if it was a better team or if the kids father was a coach for the bigger team or they just liked the coach better.
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wingedwheel
Jul 21 2009, 01:12 AM
brittany
Jul 21 2009, 12:49 AM
We have an age and max weight requirement for football. No minimum weight so no rocks needed. If you exceed the max weight, you have the option of playing up a grade.
That's what the kid wanted. I can't remember if it was a better team or if the kids father was a coach for the bigger team or they just liked the coach better.
Around here, almost no one plays up if they don't make the age/weight limit. It's a social thing,too. Parents/kids want them to play with kids in their grade.
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genny6348
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After our late discussion last evening I did a search and found this interesting article.
More Detail on Obama and the Law
There's more out there if you care to look for it. (I used Goodsearch- "Indonesian Adoption law 1961")
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brittany
Jul 20 2009, 11:52 PM
I have been posting about this since the presidential campaign. I will give up when they pry my cold, dead ,fingers from the keyboard.
Well I salute you for not being cowed by people who say, it's not important or it doesn't matter.

I read a piece today at RedState criticzing the so-called "birthers" and it was the first time I had a significant reaction to the whole subject.

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2009/07/21/mike-castle-encounters-the-birthers/

I thought I had seen a thread at LS so, of course, I wanted to know what everyone here thought.

My 2 cents:

I don't know one way or the other about the BC. I don't think it will ultimately matter because the-people-have-spoken (they elected him) would overwhelm the truth. On the other hand, I find it is very suspicious that so many of Obama's records have not been released. I'm relatively certain he has something to hide and I would like to know what. I can easily understand people who think it might be really important.

But most importantly, I believe that anyone who is concerned about the issue of "eligibility" and wants to pursue it, should. Furthermore, I don't think it is appropriate for me, RedState, or anyone else to tell them not to.

The RedState article set me off because I read it to say, "birthers" need to shut up. (This is not important, there are other things more important, and we'll tell you what and when.) I really didn't take that well.

There are very few "beliefs" and only a few more opinions that I would slap down. I would only say, "If you believe that you're crazy/stupid so you need to shut up" in a very extreme case, to someone I really didn't like and only if I meant to be seriously insulting. IOW, really mad and ready to fight.

If someone said they believed CGM was raped I'd say, "You're wrong. The facts prove there was no rape. Want to borrow one of my books?"

To me the BC discussion is comparable to someone saying the "Duke case" is over. (They didn't go to jail. They got paid. You need to get over it. Move on.) In that case, I'd respond, "Fine, it's not important to you but it is to me and I will follow it to the end."

I know not everyone agrees but it works for me. I think brittany and everyone else should discuss whatever issue(s) they deem important or even just what they find interesting. I'll read it if I want, ignore it when I want, and discuss/argue when my interest is piqued.
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brittany

nice post.
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Edited by wingedwheel, Jul 21 2009, 07:37 PM.
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genny6348
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60slib, well said,

here, here (or hear, hear whichever it is.)

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I would like to know who checks the eligibility of the candidates running for office? Obama seems to have snaked his way into his nomination, because no one checked his credentials. Is he or isn't he a US citizen? Was he born in the US? Unknown. What do his medical records say about him. When Bush was President and Cheney was VP, everytime they went to a doctor they were covered by the media. According to the media Cheney should be dead, with all his stints and heart problems. The American people are going to be the sacrificial lambs for Obama and his administration. Still we have no "birth certificate". I needed a BC after being a licensed driver in my state, just to renew my DL. I was also a police officer in the state for 25 years. There is something wrong with a country that doesn't check the credential of the POTUS, but checks the credentials, including a BC, of a licensed driver?
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I try to stay away from this issue. I do watch it from the back of the room. To me it is really easy to end any questions. Show the long form of the BC. The information on that item will clear up any info about citizenship, adoption and even what country he was born in. There is no reason why Obama will not show the BC. He has never given a reason other than a shrug. His wife did defend it once from what I can find and that was a strange defense. My only concern is constitutional. If we cannot follow the simplest terms of the constitution, one being that the president must be a person born on American soil, then we have no constitution. When we lose the constitution we have no rights. Without our rights spelled out in that constitution, we have lost out freedoms and our leaders lose respect for the citizens. It should not be this hard to solve a situation that is easily solvable.
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chatham
Jul 21 2009, 09:46 PM
I try to stay away from this issue. I do watch it from the back of the room. To me it is really easy to end any questions. Show the long form of the BC. The information on that item will clear up any info about citizenship, adoption and even what country he was born in. There is no reason why Obama will not show the BC. He has never given a reason other than a shrug. His wife did defend it once from what I can find and that was a strange defense. My only concern is constitutional. If we cannot follow the simplest terms of the constitution, one being that the president must be a person born on American soil, then we have no constitution. When we lose the constitution we have no rights. Without our rights spelled out in that constitution, we have lost out freedoms and our leaders lose respect for the citizens. It should not be this hard to solve a situation that is easily solvable.
You are right, Chatham. It seems that no one want to challenge Obama's birth. I believe we are see, that slowly, but surly we are losing our rights under the US Constitution. We are losing our rights every day that our congress meets. No one in the MSN wants to pay attention to the BC, even Glenn Beck poked fun at it tonight. He is just becomiing another simpleton, that want's to write this off as a conspiracy theory, kind of like Whippi Goldberg, believing we never landed on the moon. After all he is the POTUS, if he wanted to present his BC to us all he would need to do was request if and I am sure he would get it. Does he really have one from Hawaii?
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The minutes of the hearing are now posted on PACER. It appears the Court encouraged the attorneys to streamline the case and agree to a method for formal service of the complaint against the sitting POTUS. The result is an amended 1 Count Complaint for Declaratory Judgment against to Obama as the sole defendant concerning his eligibility to hold office and apparently some agreement with the AUSA to accept service of the complaint on Obama's behalf. The verbatim Minute Entry follows:

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
CIVIL MINUTES - GENERAL
Case No. SACV 09-0082 DOC (ANx) Date: July 15, 2009
Title: KEYES, ET AL. V. OBAMA, ET AL.
DOCKET ENTRY
[I hereby certify that this document was served by first class mail or Government messenger service, postage prepaid, to all counsel (or parties) at their
respective most recent address of record in this action on this date.]
Date:____________ Deputy Clerk: ___________________________________
PRESENT:
THE HONORABLE DAVID O. CARTER, JUDGE
Kristee Hopkins Not Present
Courtroom Clerk Court Reporter
ATTORNEYS PRESENT FOR PLAINTIFFS:ATTORNEYS PRESENT FOR DEFENDANTS:
NONE PRESENT NONE PRESENT
PROCEEDING (IN CHAMBERS): FINDING MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION AS MOOT
On July 13, 2009, Plaintiff’s counsel as well as a U.S. Attorney appeared for a hearing on
Plaintiff’s Motion for Reconsideration of this Court’s Order to Show Cause, or in the Alternative, to
Certify Question for Appeal under 28 U.S.C. §1292 (the “Motion”). During the hearing, the parties
agreed to a means of proper service upon President Barack Obama. At the hearing, Plaintiff also stated
that she is dismissing her claims against all remaining Defendants listed in the Original Complaint, as
well as all claims for relief except her request for a declaratory judgment as to whether or not President
Obama is a “natural born citizen” within the meaning of the U.S. Constitution.
Accordingly, the Motion for Reconsideration is MOOT. Counts Two and Three of the
Original Complaint, as well as all Defendants besides President Obama, are HEREBY
VOLUNTARILY DISMISSED.
The Clerk shall serve this minute order on all parties to the action.
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wayne fontes
Jul 21 2009, 12:33 AM
brittany
Jul 21 2009, 12:27 AM
I had to show one for my kid to play soccer, football; lacrosse and Little League.
You've got to be kidding. I have a copy of mine and I"ve used it once in 25 years (to get a passport). What possible need for youth sports does a birth certificate fill?
Yes, I had to bring and show my son's birth certifcate for him to be signed up for all rec sports here in rural Virginia. It could not be a copy. It had to be an offical one with the seal. Of course, I used the Certificate of Live Birth (extra copies we had purchased from Hawaii). My oldest was born in Trippler Medical Hospital, a military hospital. At least the Certificate of Live Birth had a seal and they accepted it.

I personally do not think the offical checking the birth certicates knew the difference. I at least had the original just in case they wanted it.
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