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CLiMatE cHaNgE Bill Passes hOuSE !; Onto the Senate
Topic Started: Jun 26 2009, 11:17 AM (1,662 Views)
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mike in houston
Jul 5 2009, 01:02 PM
Go here to check how much it will cost you!

http://taxfoundation.org/capandtrade


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Wouldn't it be nice if the average Joe had this?

Be sure to put Household Gasoline use, which is on the rise.

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mike in houston
Jul 5 2009, 01:02 PM
Go here to check how much it will cost you!

http://taxfoundation.org/capandtrade
Those numbers are unacceptable and a lot higher than what I've read in the paper.

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Keith M
Jul 5 2009, 02:36 PM
mike in houston
Jul 5 2009, 01:02 PM
Go here to check how much it will cost you!

http://taxfoundation.org/capandtrade
Those numbers are unacceptable and a lot higher than what I've read in the paper.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/wp6.pdf

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mike in houston
Jul 5 2009, 04:13 PM
Keith M
Jul 5 2009, 02:36 PM
mike in houston
Jul 5 2009, 01:02 PM
Go here to check how much it will cost you!

http://taxfoundation.org/capandtrade
Those numbers are unacceptable and a lot higher than what I've read in the paper.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/wp6.pdf

This is one area where Sarah Palin can weigh in with great authority and weigh in immediately to tell the country what a sham and delusion this bill is. And I hope she does! :party:
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Just add this cost onto the cost of "Health Care". I am retired and get mine from my former employer, now they propose taxing me for that, as income. So with "cap and trade" and new taxes on health care, my income will go way down, possibly driving me out of my home. I guess eventually I will make less then enough money, that I will be eligible for govenment benefits. This administration and congress is trying to take total control of our lives. As James Madison stated the following:

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of (by) those in power, then by viollent and sudden usurpations... This danger ought to be wisely gusrded against."

This is exactly what is happening right now, hidden taxes in the "cap and trade" bill. A tax on those already getting employer provided health insurance, what is next?
Edited by retiredLEO, Jul 5 2009, 08:53 PM.
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retiredLEO
Jul 5 2009, 08:27 PM


"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of (by) those in power, then by viollent and sudden usurpations... This danger ought to be wisely gusrded against."

Are we guarding against, what James Madison said, or are we all sheep?
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I heard 0bama use the words of our founding father. A government of the people, by the people, for the people.

This man wants Washington to run every part of our lives. He doesn't believe in being about to thnk for ourselves. He thinks that the government must do it for us and that it's for our own good. :puk: :puk:
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We can all complain about what is happening. That is great and it is our right. But complaining does not change a thing. Get active, get some friends active, get some new people to vote in 2010. But please do not just complain about what is happening to our country and my (our) freedoms.
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chatham
Jul 5 2009, 09:16 PM
We can all complain about what is happening. That is great and it is our right. But complaining does not change a thing. Get active, get some friends active, get some new people to vote in 2010. But please do not just complain about what is happening to our country and my (our) freedoms.
I am Chatham, but I am just trying to convey this here. This administration is slowly, but surely eradicating our rights. If the health care bill passes, they will have even more control over us. I find it unusual, since the progressives, believe we have a living Constitution, which we don't. This administration is trying to rule us from top down, which was not suppose to happen. George Washington, warned us about a 2 party system, which is exactly what we have. We are doomed to become a thrd world country, with Obama at the helm. McCain was not much better and that is why he lost. Obama got votes from people that didn't even know his accomplishments in life. Which was a community organizer, he is now doing that to the country. All his volunteer work, is go work for someone for no pay, what does that sound like?
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I hate to go religious on everyone, but just pray the "Health Care" doesn't pass, or we are going to be eroding our rights, even more. Our next 4th of July will be dependence day not independence day.
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Democrats’ handling of bill is disgraceful
Douglas Turner

Updated: 07/06/09 6:54 AM


WASHINGTON — The Kona beer, sake, lomi lomi salmon and the Kalua pig served up to members of Congress, their staffs and more than 1,500 others at President Obama’s Hawaiian luau at the White House put Democrats in a mellow mood.

Fortune was merry. Everything was possible on June 25. And so, House Democratic leaders and staff glided back to their offices around 9 that Thursday night, well fortified for hours of frenzied piecework.

Considering their responsibilities, they were confederates in perhaps the most unscrupulous business seen in the Capitol in decades. Their task was to stuff 309 pages of amendments, essentially written in secret, into the Obama administration’s climate and energy bill.

Passed by a one-vote majority only a few hours later, the bill is the most far-reaching, intrusive and expensive measure seen here since the 1930s.

But before this 1,429-page environmental bill reached the House floor, it had to be cleared by the House Rules Committee, which is chaired by Rep. Louise M. Slaughter, D-Fairport. Her Rules Committee is the gatekeeper for all legislation.

It was Slaughter’s job to oversee the patching and the stitching of these 309 pages into this labyrinthine bill in the middle of the night. She had called an “emergency meeting” of the panel, controlled by Democrats, for around 2:30 a. m.

Democratic staffers of key House committees worked behind closed doors from 9 p. m. until 2:30 Friday morning, bowing to special interests and struggling to make things fit the Congressional Budget Office. Until now a reputable bipartisan agency, it was sucked into this scheme. In the wee hours, the CBO was forced to quickly rustle up a price tag for capping carbon emissions from homes, offices, cars, trucks, plants and hospitals for the next 40 years, with these new 309 pages in mind.

The handful of minority Republicans on the panel saw their amendments summarily defeated. Around 3 a. m., Slaughter gaveled the bill a wrap. It was hustled around the corner to the Government Printing Office. This mammoth document in printed form wasn’t on the House floor until late Friday morning.

Since early May, there have been hearings on some aspects of the bill. But there was no public hearing on the legislation furtively reconfigured by Rules Committee Democrats when everyone but barflies was sleeping. Worse, only a handful of members on the floor Friday evening had any working knowledge of the bill they were being pressured to support or oppose.

What the House produced was bad enough: A climate bill that would impose heavy utility costs on hard-pressed families and employers, and bloat the federal bureaucracy without cutting greenhouse gasses in a meaningful way.

What has already polluted Congress and the nation is the way the Democrats manipulated this massive bill in the dead of night. Slaughter has declined this column’s written request to comment on whether the ends justify the means, and that’s her business, of course.

But she and her boss, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., did a lot of loud complaining about a Republican “culture of corruption” when Slaughter and Pelosi were in the minority, battling to regain power. On a victorious Election Night 2006, Pelosi vowed to end GOP “corruption” and move the House to a new level of democracy, courtesy and transparency.

What they have done instead is drag the House down to new depths of pride and imperiousness. A taste of this arrogance came Friday evening when an author of the bill, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., sneeringly moved technical points of order “twice” to stop Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, from trying to read the new bill to baffled members.

It’s up to the Senate to clean the bill up, if possible.

dturner@buffnews.com

http://www.buffalonews.com/149/story/724941.html

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Obama's drive for climate change bill delayed

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/09/AR2009070901998_pf.html

By Richard Cowan
Reuters
Thursday, July 9, 2009 1:02 PM



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama's push for quick action by Congress on climate change legislation suffered a setback on Thursday when the U.S. Senate committee leading the drive delayed work on the bill until September.

Senate Environment and Public Works Committee Chairman Barbara Boxer said her self-imposed deadline of early August for finishing writing a bill to combat global warming has been put off until after Congress returns from a recess that ends in early September.

"We'll do it as soon as we get back" from that break, Boxer told reporters. Asked if this delay jeopardizes chances the Senate will pass a bill this year, Boxer said, "Not a bit ... we'll be in (session) until Christmas, so I'm not worried about it."

But Boxer did not guarantee Congress will be able to finish a bill and deliver it to Obama by December, when he plans to attend an international summit on climate change in Copenhagen.

"I want to take this as far as we can take it (before Copenhagen). The more we do the better," Boxer said.

On June 26, the House of Representatives narrowly passed its version of a bill to drastically reduce U.S. emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases over the next four decades.

Senate Democratic leaders' quick timetable for writing a bill has run into two complications: the competing priority of passing healthcare legislation and dissension in Democratic ranks over the climate bill.

While Obama has made climate change legislation one of his top priorities, he also has made clear that he wants Congress to first push through healthcare reform.

Many committees in the House and Senate are struggling with the legislation to expand healthcare insurance to the 46 million Americans now without coverage.

Some of the Senate's main players on climate change, such as Senator Max Baucus, also are central to the healthcare reform debate in Congress.

"A lot of our colleagues are on the health committee. It's been difficult," Boxer said.

The second issue is that environmentalists in the Senate are faced with difficulties getting enough support to pass a bill. Even though Democrats control 60 of the 100 seats in the Senate, there are enough moderate Democrats who might not support a climate change bill. So several Republican votes will likely be necessary for passage, according to analysts.
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