| Updated Duke Lacrosse Case Chronology March 13-31, 2006; Origins of the Frame | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 19 2009, 02:39 PM (1,722 Views) | |
| Joan Foster | Jun 21 2009, 06:49 AM Post #61 |
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Still thinking. Suppose I take my child to DUMC because he isn't feeling well. Tests are run. Suppose some rookie nurse tells me these tests indicate my child probably has... leukemia. I immediately ask for the Dr. in a panic. Now, if the Dr knows this Nurse has exaggerated so far off the mark...and it is 90% likely my child just has sniffles...what is the protocol? What does this Dr. say to me? Maybe, just like the courthouse crowd, the hospital crowd has each others backs...protects each other. Is it professional courtesy to let a nurse scare a Mother half to death and cover for her? Is it professional to allow a new nurse...unlicensed...tell police authorities that signs and symptoms of a violent rape are present...that blunt force trauma are present...and DUMC lets it ride? Did they check on what she told Gottlieb? Was she supervised at all? When they found out..was the uproar so loud...that DUMC felt it would HURT THEM MORE to correct matters? What were the lawyers for the hospital telling them? This seems to also be a tragedy of colliding "best interests"...with the intersts of three innocent kids not meaning much in the equation. Edited by Joan Foster, Jun 21 2009, 07:21 AM.
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| chatham | Jun 21 2009, 07:36 AM Post #62 |
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As usual Quasi, some great thought questions. Who did tell the escort service that mangum claimed to be assaulted. What was the conversation about with the service before mangum left the house? When himan called them to find out kim's phone number they told him that kim said that nothing happened. This indicated there was some conversation between kim and the escort service about mangum. Was the large amount of time mangum and kim are together driving 2 minutes to Kroger's when mangum told kim she was going to claim a rape or sexual assault? And that conversation continued until kim started pulling mangum out of the car saying go ahead, bruise me? Did the excort service ask kiim where mangum was? Was telling the escort service the story about mangum a cover for kim stealing mangum's money (if she really stole the money). A lot of people knew mangum made assault and rape claims before many others and they all knew it was a crock. Himan had heads up and knew what kim was going to say about mangum's accusations before he even talked with her. "Were there any persons connected with the prostitution trade who also had contacts with the DPD?" Of course. Payoffs happen all the time. And it just might be possible that one of the cops "protecting these places" called and told the service that one of their girls made a false rape claim, be prepared for some inquiries. Kim could have confirmed that information. The escort service may have been more concerned about the rape claim rather than the missing money. Especially if the rape claim turned into a pay for sex claim. I know a fella in durham who used to run numbers out of his business. When he was going to be raided someone would call him up and say hide the numbers. There are those connections throughout the system. Edited by chatham, Jun 21 2009, 07:41 AM.
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| sceptical | Jun 21 2009, 08:21 AM Post #63 |
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It is not uncommon for medical centers to cover up mistakes by their employees. We have no idea what went on after DUMC realized that Levicy's comments to the police did not match the more objective SANE report (even though Levicy allegedly improperly amended that document after the fact). Besides Levicy and her supervisor Theresa Arico, others at DUMC had to be involved, including legal affairs, risk management, and Victor Dzau M.D., head of the medical center and a member of Duke's Crisis Management Team for the incident. I wrote a post in December concerning Mark Gustafson, a Deputy Counsel at Duke in charge of DUMC legal affairs, and Bobbi Hendrix, the head of risk management . http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/944771/1/ There were at least seven nurses and doctors who personally interacted with Crystal on March 14, in addition to other personnel in the Duke Emergency Department such as aides or clerks. I do believe that after the case went public there was a directive from DUMC management for everyone to shut up. We need to kniw why Crystal did not receive her SANE exam until the day shift, and who made that decision. We need to know why the rookie Levicy was assigned to her exam, and who made the decision. We need to find out if Arico reviewed Levicy's report and performance. We need to find out who was Arico's superior and what did she tell her/him. We need to know when legal affairs got involved. We need to know what risk management did about the situation. We need to know when, how, and what Dr. Dzau learned about the aituation. We need to know what and when Dr. Dzau communicated to the central Duke administration, including Brodhead, about the case. On with the depositions! |
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| Baldo | Jun 21 2009, 08:34 AM Post #64 |
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It would seem to me that when a Police Officer would look at the signature on the bottom of the SANE and see Sane-In-Training a little alarm bell would go off. Wouldn't you look to her supervisor and asked was she qualified to do the exam? Wouldn't you seek out Dr. Manly's opinion? Wouldn't you have a NC SBI look that over? After you saw Crystal and didn't see facial bruises that matched to her claims of a 30 minute beaten by three athletes wouldn't you question the veracity of her statement? After you knew Sgt Shelton thought Crystal was lying and drunk? After Inv Jones was going to close the case? After those spaced out comments to Officer Sutton? After you looked up her Police Record? Then the captains willingly give statements without counsel, deny it, offer to take polygraphs, give dna samples freely. Two attempts she can't ID anybody? No DNA from SBI, a non-standard line-up, No DNA from DNASI with exculpatory DNA, the list just goes on & on. They are all guilty of this conspiracy to frame the 2006 Lacrosse Team. Never let one of these miscreants off the hook. Anyone of a dozen people could have stopped this. Even "With What" Himan could have said in the Grand Jury under "secret testimony" I really have doubts because we didn't find DNA but found other Non-Lax DNA. No they all went along and Duke covered their rears politically, City Hall needed an arrest to save face, and who knows what the PD was covering up? Personally I don't know this for a fact, but I believe there are some whoppers to be discovered that these miscreants are still hiding. |
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| Baldo | Jun 21 2009, 08:39 AM Post #65 |
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The Chairman's Directive! As an aside issue this is what is so scary. Duke is a World Class Teaching Hospital and they withhold vital information? |
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| Quasimodo | Jun 21 2009, 09:11 AM Post #66 |
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Evidence tampering? Coercing witnesses not to testify to police? Witness intimidation? This is serious stuff.
Who tampered with the transcript of an email conversation in which someone quoted from American Psycho, in order to make the conversation appear in a false light?
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| Joan Foster | Jun 21 2009, 09:26 AM Post #67 |
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Like so many other "cases"...this is about "cover-ups" in several different places. The DUMC stuff is particularly juicy...because I think these excellent attorneys can play on most people's fears of Big Hospitals caring more about the bottom line than real people. If DUMC can let three innocent kids go to jail for thirty years to cover for a trainee nurse...how in the world can anyone on a jury trust themselves or their loved one to their integrity and care. Yes, mistakes happen...but here is the penultimate example of how DUMC handles mistakes. They cover up. They clamp down. They lie. And if a jury starts to feel that fear and disgust and...vulnerability...that helplessness we all feel in these large facilities...CHA-CHING! Levicy was enabled right up ther food chain at DUMC. They stood behind her...put their weight behind her...vouched for her in defiance of the science. Now there's a Johnny Cochran phrase...maybe the attorneys can use... IN DEFIANCE OF THE SCIENCE...DUMC covered for their rogue nurse. IN DEFIANCE OF THE SCIENCE, DUMC covered their tracks. IN DEFIANCE OF THE SCIENCE...DUMC put thirty years of real kids lives at risk. Who can ever trust a medical center, when...in concert and on demand...the physicans and staff collude to act IN DEFIANCE OF THE SCIENCE. 
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| sceptical | Jun 21 2009, 10:00 AM Post #68 |
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Crystal Mangum was seen by at least the following people in the Duke Emergency Department: Jenny Hauver R.N. (triage nurse) Jaime Snarski M.D. (emergency medicine resident physcian) Carole Schumoski R.N. (staff nurse) Jonathan Broder M.D. (emergency attending) plus one other nurse whose name I could not find Tara Levicy R.N. (rookie SANE) Julie Manley M.D. (medical resident) plus Emergency Department staff such as clerks or aides. To our knowlege, none of them spoke out about the truth. |
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| chatham | Jun 21 2009, 10:47 AM Post #69 |
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It indeed will be interesting once the depositions begin. I want to know how many times and how often the Duke Council of frame met and discussed this case. I want to know when the first meeting was. I want to know how many times Duke and the City of Durham met or talked on the phone. I want to know when that first meeting was. I want to know how Dean Sue concluded it would be only a minor assault charge when ALL the evidence pointed to no contact with anyone. What was in the Duke report sent to Dean Sue at 7:30 that morning. Was it her conclusion or a higher up like Moneta to say what kind of charges may be forthcoming? Did they ever look at the evidence or just read the DukePD report? If the DPD knew on the 14th and the Duke PD knew on the 14th and dean sue knew on the 14th and nifong knew on the 14th and the mayor probably knew on the 14th then why did brodhead not know on the 14th? Did he lie like nifong lied about when he learned about the case? And why was he the only one left in the dark? What was the NCCU chancellors role in this. Was it to emphasize the race issue or abate the race issue. Why was the story NCCU at all if CGM was a stripper on her own time? Who made this an NCCU story? AMAZING |
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| Quasimodo | Jun 21 2009, 01:01 PM Post #70 |
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Slightly OT, but interesting memo: http://www.newsobserver.com/content/news/crime_safety/duke_lacrosse/story_graphics/20060806_dukelax.pdf The day a grand jury indicted two Duke lacrosse players for raping an escort service dancer, Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong still didn’t know if the accuser’s vaginal swelling was caused by activities before the alleged assault, according to notes taken by Investigator Michelle Soucie. April 17 1549 hours (3.49 PM) --Relayed information to DA Mike Nifong Reference DNA Security prices for YSTR tests --Mike Nifong stated that: also need documentation on escort service and how they do business [perhaps including what percentage of the cash do they receive?] and need to nail down what victim did on the day before arriving at 610 N. Buchanan so we can show that she did not receive trauma prior to incident-- IOW, they are trying to make sure of their evidence AFTER they have already told the Grand Jury that the defendants are guilty and gotten indictments |
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| chatham | Jun 21 2009, 02:13 PM Post #71 |
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It is important for a couple of reasons. First, is the cops are still saying she is a victim as late as April 17th, even though all the data indicates otherwise. Second, it shows that everyone was lying from day one if they did not know if the "injuries" were from the night of the party or the day before the party. Why would they have doubts about CGM's story? The April 10th meeting with meehan confirmed that CGM was lying and she did have sex with many others a few days before the LAX party. I bet there were many jokes about how many men she could take on at one time. |
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| Quasimodo | Jun 21 2009, 04:43 PM Post #72 |
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OOPS! ERROR WILL ROBINSON: (hat tip: Baldo) http://www.newsobserver.com/559/story/470260.html Lacrosse error clouds story's credibility TED VADEN - STAFF WRITER Published: Sun, Aug. 13, 2006 12:00AM It's a reporter's greatest fear. He has been working for a month on a major investigative piece, part of the biggest ongoing local news story of the year. It runs as the lead story on the Sunday front page. And the key fact that begins the article is wrong. News & Observer investigative reporter Joseph Neff didn't sleep at all last Sunday night, after he learned of the error in his article headlined, "Duke lacrosse files show gaps in DA's case." The opening paragraphs of the story said Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong had proceeded with rape indictments against two lacrosse players the same day he asked a police investigator to look into whether the accuser's injuries might have had causes other than the alleged rape. That information was wrong. Nifong actually had asked investigator Michele Soucie for background information about the accuser on April 4, nearly two weeks before the indictments, not on April 17, as the story said. . . In the story, Neff set forth numerous other examples of a shaky prosecution case, but the erroneous information, coming at the top of the story, was Exhibit A. The story was accompanied on the front page by a reproduction of Soucie's notes, labeled "Excerpts from Soucie's notes on April 17." (snip) HERE'S HOW THE ERROR OCCURRED, according to Neff and Riley: Neff had obtained copies of Soucie's hand-written notes on the investigation, which are part of some 1,800 pages of documents supplied by the DA to defense attorneys (but not all made public). On one page, Soucie wrote that Nifong instructed her "to nail down what victim did on the day before arriving at 610 N. Buchanan so we can show that she did not receive trauma prior to incident." On that page was the circled date, 4/17/06. Neff took that to mean the date she talked to Nifong. But elsewhere in the notes, Soucie had written 4/4/06, the correct date, and Neff missed that notation. "He misread the document. I didn't challenge him on the document, and therefore it went into the newspaper," Riley said. (I still don't understand why April 17 was circled on the notes, but...) Before publication, Neff did try to reach Soucie by phone and twice went to Nifong's office in Durham seeking comment. Neither responded. The prosecution and defense are under a judge's orders not to talk about the case. (I tried to reach Nifong last week, without response.) Neff learned of his error Sunday night (the sleepless one), double-checked Monday, informed his editors and with them crafted a correction that went onto The N&O's Web site Monday and onto the front page of Tuesday's paper. (snip) ETA: (Actually, this is hardly an improvement. If the DPD had two weeks to find out when the accuser's injuries originated; and didn't discover that they were not from the party, what does that say about the extent of their investigation? OTOH, if they did discover that they did not originate at the party, what does that say about their determination to pursue a case without evidence? And what was said to the Grand Jury about these injuries, if anything?) Edited by Quasimodo, Jun 21 2009, 04:45 PM.
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| MikeZPU | Jun 21 2009, 05:16 PM Post #73 |
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Hmmm ... on March 21, Mangum tells Himan that she used a vibrator sex toy -- I believe it was either the same day or the day before the party ... seems they already had their answer several weeks earlier ... BUT excellent point: they're trying to nail down whether the vaginal swelling (diffuse endema) -- which is the only so-called "trauma" that was observed -- was possibly due to CGM's pre-party activities, after they've already indicted two people? 3/21/06 1810hrs - Victim arrives with driver Jarriel Johnson dob 6/6/74 2448 Sunnystoneway Raleigh, NC 27613. Victim was inquiring about getting her property back. I asked her questions trying to follow up on a better description of the suspects, she was unable to remember anything further about the suspects. She stated that Brian Taylor drove her to the party she did have some beer before she came about a 24 oz bottle of beer. She stated she drank the beer at about 10:40 pm. She stated that she was fine and has drank beer before with no problems she stated that she had not had sex a week prior to the incident and that was with her boyfriend Mathew Murchison, She stated she had a function at hotel room with a couple male and female. She stated she danced for them and used a small vibrator (sex toy) Edited by MikeZPU, Jun 21 2009, 05:19 PM.
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| ~J~ is in Wonderland | Jun 21 2009, 06:07 PM Post #74 |
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She stated she had a function at hotel room with a couple male and female. She stated she danced for them and used a small vibrator (sex toy)  
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| chatham | Jun 21 2009, 06:16 PM Post #75 |
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With all the activity in "that area" of CGM I am surprised that she was only a little bit swollen. Didn't they finally determine the swelling to a vaginal infection? |
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