Baldo

Jun 19 2009, 04:08 PM

chatham

Jun 19 2009, 03:56 PM

"Robert Dean, head of Duke Police, reviews Day's report at 7:30 a.m. and then informs Duke officials, INCLUDING Dean of Students."

OK.....
On the first day after the party many Duke officials knew about the accusation of a rape on their property. If Robert dean did not know it involved Duke students, then why inform Duke officials? Soon after this revelation, "Durham PD Sgt. Mark Gottlieb learnsof the case and seeks to take it over from B. Jones." Everyone knew it was a Duke party on Tuesday March 14th.

Yes, sort of shoots the idea Duke's Senior Administration didn't know about it.

...the official report of the Duke Police Department was submitted and reviewed by the Duke Police Director, Robert Dean, at 7:30 a.m. on March 14. This report indicated clearly that the individual making the allegations was a black woman—though information about her race and about the racial aspects of the case did not reach key administrators (including President Brodhead) until March 24. The substance of the report, including the fact that the students involved were lacrosse players but not the fact that the presumed victim was black, was communicated by Mr. Dean by phone to the Assistant Vice President of Student Affairs and Dean of Students, Sue Wasiolek, on the morning of March 14. Dean Wasiolek immediately contacted the lacrosse coach, the Director of Athletics, and others in the athletics department, who in turn contacted members of the lacrosse team. Dean Wasiolek also contacted her supervisor, Vice President for Student Affairs Larry Moneta, but neither Wasiolek nor Moneta was aware of the racial aspects of the situation until March 24—a gap in communications that is extraordinary.

*The initial Wasiolek/Moneta round of communications reached the Executive Vice President (EVP), Tallman Trask, but not members of the academic side of the Duke administration or the President until much later. The Public Affairs office was not briefed until Friday, March 17 (after having first learned of the incident that day by monitoring a community listserv)....

THE DUKE ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE TO LACROSSE ALLEGATIONS
William G. Bowen and Julius L. Chambers
May 4, 2006

Joan Foster

Jun 19 2009, 04:52 PM

Baldo

Jun 19 2009, 04:08 PM

chatham

Jun 19 2009, 03:56 PM

"Robert Dean, head of Duke Police, reviews Day's report at 7:30 a.m. and then informs Duke officials, INCLUDING Dean of Students."

OK.....
On the first day after the party many Duke officials knew about the accusation of a rape on their property. If Robert dean did not know it involved Duke students, then why inform Duke officials? Soon after this revelation, "Durham PD Sgt. Mark Gottlieb learnsof the case and seeks to take it over from B. Jones." Everyone knew it was a Duke party on Tuesday March 14th.

Yes, sort of shoots the idea Duke's Senior Administration didn't know about it.

...the official report of the Duke Police Department was submitted and reviewed by the Duke Police Director, Robert Dean, at 7:30 a.m. on March 14. This report indicated clearly that the individual making the allegations was a black woman—though information about her race and about the racial aspects of the case did not reach key administrators (including President Brodhead) until March 24. The substance of the report, including the fact that the students involved were lacrosse players but not the fact that the presumed victim was black, was communicated by Mr. Dean by phone to the Assistant Vice President of Student Affairs and Dean of Students, Sue Wasiolek, on the morning of March 14. Dean Wasiolek immediately contacted the lacrosse coach, the Director of Athletics, and others in the athletics department, who in turn contacted members of the lacrosse team. Dean Wasiolek also contacted her supervisor, Vice President for Student Affairs Larry Moneta, but neither Wasiolek nor Moneta was aware of the racial aspects of the situation until March 24—a gap in communications that is extraordinary.

*The initial Wasiolek/Moneta round of communications reached the Executive Vice President (EVP), Tallman Trask, but not members of the academic side of the Duke administration or the President until much later. The Public Affairs office was not briefed until Friday, March 17 (after having first learned of the incident that day by monitoring a community listserv)....

THE DUKE ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE TO LACROSSE ALLEGATIONS
William G. Bowen and Julius L. Chambers
May 4, 2006

"Dean Wasiolek also contacted her supervisor, Vice President for Student Affairs Larry Moneta, but neither Wasiolek nor Moneta was aware of the racial aspects of the situation until March 24—a gap in communications that is extraordinary."

This language is "extraordinary" to me. Is a crime against someone of one skin hue a red alert and against another" it's just one of those "unfortunate cases of students being in the wrong place at the wrong time." (or whatever Moneta said about the Black Frat rape?

Does Brodhead have a special phone by his bed just for those 3AM phone calls whenever the alleged "victim" is Black?

Joan Foster

Jun 19 2009, 04:52 PM

Does Brodhead have a special phone by his bed just for those 3AM phone calls whenever the alleged"victim" is Black?

chatham

Jun 19 2009, 07:40 PM

When crystal was taken to the Durham Access Center, it has been claimed that a nurse asked crystal directly if she had been raped. Does anyone know the name of that nurse? Could she be a friend of crystals? Did she know Cy? Why would this nurse directly violate the Durham access policy?

sceptical

Jun 19 2009, 09:05 PM

chatham

Jun 19 2009, 07:40 PM

When crystal was taken to the Durham Access Center, it has been claimed that a nurse asked crystal directly if she had been raped. Does anyone know the name of that nurse? Could she be a friend of crystals? Did she know Cy? Why would this nurse directly violate the Durham access policy?

http://johnsville.blogspot.com/2006/04/duke-lacrosse-rape-timeline.html

The accuser interacted with at least three Durham Access Center staff members: Alycia Wright, Meriecia Smith, and Gerri Lomuriel Wilkes. In response to a question from one of those staff members, accuser initially alleged that she was raped. DPD event logs indicate that accuser was at the Durham Access Center for 40 minutes. Ms. Wilkes told Kirk Osborn that she took handwritten notes of her observations.

MikeZPU

Jun 19 2009, 11:41 PM

Okay, so you're Dick Brodhead, Larry Moneta, and Dean Sue.
You initially believe the student LAX players that not only was
there no rape, there was no sex.

Kim's 911 call and Ryan's email are enough to change your mind?
(Were these the facts that kept changing?)

You have a PhD and you're a professor at a world-renown academic institution,
but you were duped by the likes of Gottlieb who doesn't even have a college degree?

Exactly how do Kim's 911 call and Ryan's email indicate that a rape occurred?

sceptical

Jun 20 2009, 07:18 AM

MikeZPU

Jun 19 2009, 11:41 PM

Okay, so you're Dick Brodhead, Larry Moneta, and Dean Sue.
You initially believe the student LAX players that not only was
there no rape, there was no sex.

Kim's 911 call and Ryan's email are enough to change your mind?
(Were these the facts that kept changing?)

You have a PhD and you're a professor at a world-renown academic institution,
but you were duped by the likes of Gottlieb who doesn't even have a college degree?

Exactly how do Kim's 911 call and Ryan's email indicate that a rape occurred?

In retrospect, it is easy to say this. But at the time, there was what I have called the law enforcement equivalent of the "fog of battle."
There was a lot of confusion, rumors, and bad information.

There were some people, inlcuding myself at first, who thought that some sort of assault, not necessarily rape, could have happened. This was before a lot of the facts were known.

I do not necessarily agree that the Duke officials believed the lacrosse players. Deserved or not, the lacrosse players had a reputation for rowdy behavior and parties. (Of course, not much different than other teams or fraternities at Duke). Those PC administrators at Duke would have thought such a claim of would be possible. There was certainly a lot of hostility towards the players from the Duke faculty and administration, so much so that they were cited in the motion for change of venue.

chatham

Jun 20 2009, 12:05 PM

Baldo says: Why? "Orders" is the most likely answer.

My point that I have been making all along. There was an agreement between Durham and Duke to solve the TP complaint problem. As soon as the right person or persons found out that crystal was at a party in TP and made some crock statements, KABOOM, the orders came down and the plan when into effect. Duke did not need to know the color of the woman, although they probably did.. The immediate public perception of this case was just an assault or something happening at a party. It was not that. It was a stripper party with no other ladies present, it was not just a late night party. If the immediate public perception was a stripper crying rape or assault, not many would have cared.