|Updated Duke Lacrosse Case Chronology March 13-31, 2006; Origins of the Frame|
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|sceptical||Jun 19 2009, 02:39 PM Post #1|
MARCH, 2006: AN UPDATED CHRONOLOGY OF THE DUKE LACROSSE CASE, MARCH 13-31
MONDAY MARCH 13: Lacrosse team spring break party at 610 N. Buchanan
Hired strippers Crystal Mangum and Kim (Roberts) Pittman arrive at about 11:45 p.m.
TUESDAY MARCH 14: Performance begins about midnight and lasts only a few minutes, ending at 12:04 a.m. with altercation.
First of 9 telephone calls by Reade Seligmann made at 12.05 a.m.; he leaves with team- mate Robert Wellington in cab driven by Moez Elmostafa at 12:19 a.m. going to ATM and Cookout Restaurant.
Collin Finnerty leaves house and talks to friends at 12:22 and 12:27 a.m.; he goes to Cosmic Cantina with 3 friends after call at 12:33 a.m.
Mangum calls her escort service at 12:26 a.m.
Mangum stumbles down stairs outside of house at 12:31 a.m. where she remains for minutes until helped to Pittman’s car.
Mangum & Pittman drive away at 12:41 a.m.
Pittman makes phony 911 call at 12:53 a.m.
Two police cars arrive at 610 N. Buchanan by 12:55 but party-goers had scattered.
Mangum & Pittman drive to Kroger; a call to police is made at 1:22 a.m. by security guard. Sgt. John Shelton responds. Mangum appears unresponsive.
Mangum taken to Durham ACCESS by Durham PD Officer Willie Barfield at 1:55 a.m. where she first claims rape.
Mangum taken to Duke Emergency Department at 2:45 a.m. where she was met by Officer G.D. Sutton and later Sgt. John Shelton. She is evaluated by ED nurses and physicians and left on a gurney to await SANE exam.
Duke & Durham police confer at loading dock outside Duke Hospital about case at 3 a.m.
Inv. Buffy Jones of Durham Police interviews Mangum in E.D. at 3:50 a.m.
Tara Levicy R.N. & Julie Manley M.D. attempt SANE exam at 9 a.m. Mangum is uncooperative, claiming pain, and exam ends prematurely. Rape kit specimens obtained.
Mangum is released from Duke in early afternoon; calls Inv. B. Jones seeking “stolen” property.
Duke Police Officer Christopher Day submits written report stating “victim changed her story several times” and Durham PD advised “charges would not exceed misdemeanor simple assault…”
Robert Dean, head of Duke Police, reviews Day’s report at 7:30 a.m. and then informs Duke officials, including Dean of Students Sue Wasiolek, about incident
Durham PD Sgt. Mark Gottlieb learns of the case while working at City Hall and seeks to take it over from B. Jones.
WEDNESDAY MARCH 15: Mangum goes to UNC Hospital Emergency Department seeking prescription pain medications
Duke Dean Sue Wasiolek calls Coach Pressler about the party and talks to lacrosse captains about incident—she tells them no lawyers are needed and they should not tell parents.
Inv. B Jones concludes there is no evidence for a criminal investigation of Mangum’s claims and the file should be closed. This is not done, and Sgt. Gottlieb assumes responsibility for the Durham PD investigation.
THURSDAY MARCH 16: Sgt. Gottlieb assigns the case to rookie Inv. Ben Himan at 8 a.m.
Duke Police Sgt. Smith gives Gottlieb pictures of lacrosse players, a team roster, and the Duke Police report at 9:30 a.m.
Inv. Ben Himan talks to nurse Tara Levicy at 11 a.m.; she tells him there were signs consistent with sexual assault on her exam of Mangum
Gottlieb and Himan do their first interview with Mangum at 11:47 a.m. Later that day, she fails in a session with Invs. Clayton and Soucie to identify her attackers from four photo arrays showing six lacrosse team members in each one. Officer R. Reid takes photos of Mangum which do not show injuries. She is not asked for as written statement.
Durham police, including Gottlieb and Himan, search 610 N. Buchanan in the evening pursuant to a search warrant containing a number of false statements. Team Captains Zash, Evans and Flannery assist them, then go voluntarily without counsel to police station for questioning and photographs, and later to Duke Hospital for DNA samples.
FRIDAY MARCH 17: Team captains meet with Coach Pressler and Associate AD Chris Kennedy, who recommends they contact their parents and get legal counsel, suggesting they meet with attorney Wes Covington, who had served as a”fixer” for Duke before.
Sgt. Mark Gottlieb sends out message on Trinity Park listserv:
Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:15 am
The Durham Police District 2 Criminal Investigations Violent Crimes Unit is conducting an investigation concerning a rape of a young woman by three males at 610 N. Buchanan that was reported on 3/14/06 in the early morning hours. The female arrived at the residence for a party close to 11:30pm on Monday 3/13/2006 and left on Tuesday 3/14/2006 reportedly after midnight. Anyone in the area who saw or heard anything unusual, please contact Investigator Himan at 919-560-4582 x 229 or I at 560-4582 x 228. Thank you for your continued assistance.
Mangum allegedly dances at the Platinum Club, signing into the VIP room with a client.
SATURDAY MARCH 18: Team captains meet with Wes Covington who urged them not to hire counsel and not to talk to anyone about the matter.
N&O publishes first article about the case:
Woman reports sexual assault
Police were investigating a report of a rape on Buchanan Boulevard near the Duke University campus Friday. .. A young woman told police she visited 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. about 11:30 p.m. Monday and was assaulted by three men, according to police Sgt. Mark Gottlieb... Anyone with information is asked to call Investigator B.W. Himan at 560-4582, ext. 229
Mangum again is reported to dance at the Platinum Club.
SUNDAY MARCH 19 : N&0 second article on the case:
Alleged rape was at party, police said
Police offered more details Saturday in the investigation of a young woman's report she was raped by three men at a party Monday near the Duke University campus.
The woman told police early Tuesday morning that she had gone to a house at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. about 11:30 p.m. the night before for a party, said Sgt. Mark Gottlieb.
While at the party, she was raped by three men, she reported to police.
Gottlieb described the party as a mix of college students and non-students. In total, there were about 30 people there at the time, he said.
"It was an act where alcohol was involved," Gottlieb said. (snip)
MONDAY MARCH 20: Durham Police prepare and obtain a subpoena for Mangum’s medical records.
Gottlieb and Himan discuss with Duke police arrangements for the team members to voluntarily meet with Durham police and give statements, photographs and DNA. Himan calls Pressler to set up an appointment for March 22 for a mass interrogation.
Himan calls Tammy Rose of Angels Escort Service, who gives him Pittman’s name and tells him Pittman said there had been no sexual assault.
Himan calls Pittman who tells him Mangum’s claims are “a crock.” He sets up an appointment to meet with her the following day.
The Duke Chronicle publishes its first article about the incident:
Off-East house site of reported rape
By: Staff Reports
Issue date: 3/20/06 Section: News
Last update: 3/20/06 at 6:23 AM EST
DurhamPolice Department is investigating an alleged rape of a young woman by three males at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. over Spring Break.
Duke recently purchased the rented residence from a local landlord.
The alleged assault was reported early in the morning of Tuesday, March 14.
The young woman arrived at the house for a party at around 11:30 p.m. Monday, March 13 and reportedly left after midnight, Sgt. M.D. Gottlieb of Durham Police District 2 Investigations wrote in an e-mail to a community listserv.
He encouraged individuals in the area at the time to report to DPD if they "saw or heard anything unusual." (snip)
TUESDAY MARCH 21: Sgt. Mark Gottlieb personally serves the subpoena for Mangum’s medical records on Levicy at Duke Hospital. She falsely tells him the exam was consistent with “blunt force trauma” and that the evidence corroborated claims of vaginal and anal rape.
Mangum is shown by Inv. Clayton two additional photo arrays of 6 lacrosse players each, during which she did not recognize her attackers.
Himan meets Mangum and driver Jarriel Johnson; Magnum inquires about getting property back while Himan asks about details of March 13-14.
Pittman fails to keep her appointment with Himan.
Eyewitness Jason Bissey calls Durham PD and speaks to Himan, who tells him to write a statement (which is not picked up until April).
Covington meets with the parents of some of the players and urges them to go along with plans for the interrogation.
At 7 p.m. lacrosse team members were instructed to appear at 3 p.m. the next day at the Duke Police Department for interrogation by the Durham PD.
The Chronicle publishes its second mention of the case, in which Gottlieb is quoted that the house residents were cooperative:
Suspects in alleged rape unidentified
By: Staff Reports
Issue date: 3/21/06 Section: News
Last update: 3/21/06 at 6:54 AM EST
One week after a young woman was allegedly raped at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd., the Durham Police Department is still investigating the situation, saying "the suspects have not been clearly identified."
The house, which was recently purchased by University subsidiary Durham Realty, was the site of a party that involved both Duke students and non-students, said Sgt. M.D. Gottlieb of Durham Police District 2 Investigations.
Sue Wasiolek, assistant vice president for student affairs and dean of students, said the University will not take action until the police department's investigation is finished.
"From what I understand, the situation is under investigation by the Durham Police Department, and we will await that investigation," she said.
Larry Moneta, vice president for student affairs, added that the University would take appropriate measures, pending the police investigation.
Gottlieb said any man that attended the party March 13 would be a viable suspect but refused to go into further detail.
The residents of the house have been cooperative with DPD in locating any suspects, he added. (Snip)
WEDNESDAY MARCH 22: Pittman is brought to the District Two Police Substation where she gives a written statement, amending it after she is arrested by Gottlieb for a warrant for probation violations.
After the lacrosse team, on advice of Robert Ekstrand and others, declines to appear without counsel before the police, an application for a Non-Testimonial Identification Order (NTIO) is prepared by Mark Gottlieb and Ben Himan following discussions with ADA Tracey Cline. The request contains a number of lies, fabrications and inflammatory statements.
THURSDAY MARCH 23: The Non-Testimonial Identification Order (NTIO) is signed by ADA David Saacks and then approved by Judge Ronald Stephens. Saacks amends the Durham PD version to eliminate the customary delay allowing appeal of the order.
Late that afternoon starting at 4 p.m. lacrosse team members are photographed and have DNA samples taken pursuant to the NTIO. The press is tipped off, and pictures and stories ignite a national media firestorm.
Durham DA Mike Nifong claims to have first learned of the case at a photocopier when he saw a copy of the NTIO.
FRIDAY MARCH 24: Duke administrators led by VP Tallman Trask meet with lacrosse team captains
Mike Nifong calls Capt. Jeff Lamb and asks to take over case [Ekstrand Para 487]. Lamb instructs Gottlieb and Himan to take direction from Nifong.
Durham PD Cpl. David Addison starts his campaign to stigmatize the lacrosse team in statements to the press as the Durham PD spokesman.
Durham PD begins testing the cell phone of the lacrosse team captains, which had been seized earlier.
SATURDAY MARCH 25: Duke Crisis Management Team meets for the first time.
Duke AD Joe Alleva announces the lacrosse team will forfeit two games because of the party.
Brodhead issues first statement, urges cooperation with police.
Brodhead refuses to meet with lacrosse team parents, who instead are allowed to see Trask, Alleva, Moneta, and Wasiolek.
Candlelight vigil is held at 610 N. Buchanan by over 250 supporters of Mangum.
N&O publishes in its Saturday edition its exclusive March 24 interview with Mangum, inciting racial aspects:
Dancer gives details of ordeal
A woman hired to dance for the Duke lacrosse team describes a night of racial slurs, growing fear and, finally, sexual violence
SAMIHA KHANNA AND ANNE BLYTHE - STAFF WRITERS
Published: Fri, Mar. 24, 2006 12:37PM
Modified Sat, Mar. 25, 2006 05:14AM
The woman who says she was raped last week by three members of the Duke University lacrosse team thought she would be dancing for five men at a bachelor party, she said Friday. But when she arrived that night, she found herself surrounded by more than 40.
Just moments after she and another exotic dancer started to perform, she said, men in the house started barking racial slurs. The two women, both black, stopped dancing.
"We started to cry," she said. "We were so scared." (snip)
SUNDAY MARCH 26: Potbanger protest at 610 N. Buchanan, including “castrate” sign.
MONDAY MARCH 27: Gottlieb and Himan first formally brief Nifong on the lack of evidence. Nifong makes “We’re f!cked” statement. Later, Nifong instructs Gottlieb and Himan to follow-up on Ryan McFadyen's vulgar e-mail parodying "American Psycho."
Nifong begins a news media blitz, giving over 70 interviews in succeeding days.
Nifong threatens to arrest lacrosse team members who were at party as accessories to rape.
Gottlieb and Himan prepare search warrant application for Ryan McFadyen’s room containing text of inflammatory e-mail; signed but sealed by Judge Stephens.
SBI Lab starts testing Mangum’s rape kit items, which they received from CSI Angela Ashby of the Durham PD.
N&O’s Ruth Sheehan writes column “Team’s Silence is Sickening” spreading “blue wall of silence” myth (she later apologizes for column).
“Speak Out” protest held on Duke campus with 200 attending.
Brodhead refuses to meet with attorneys for the lacrosse players who offer exculpatory evidence.
TUESDAY MARCH 28: Himan notifies Nifong and later Mangum that the initial SBI results showed no semen, saliva, or blood on the rape kit specimens, findings inconsistent with Mangum’s story of a gang rape without condoms.
Himan interviews William Blake Boehmler, one of the two Duke students (the other Brent Saeli) who was at the party but was not on the lacrosse team. Later Boehmler is threatened with an NTO and public exposure if he does not give DNA specimens.
Durham PD releases the 911 calls made by Pittman, but falsely claims they do not know caller.
Lacrosse team captains meet with Brodhead, deny allegations, agree to cancel play.
Brodhead holds press conference, suspends lacrosse games, and insists Durham PD has jurisdiction over case
Cpl. David Addison sends inflammatory listserv:
Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:20 pm message # 1066
Durham CrimeStoppers needs your assistance….
On Monday, March 13, 2006 about 11:00pm, the Duke University Lacrosse Team solicited a local escort service for entertainment. The victim was paid to dance at the residence located at 610 Buchanan. The Duke Lacrosse Team was hosting a party at the residence. The victim was sodomized, raped, assaulted and robbed. This horrific crime sent shock waves throughout our community…
CrimeStoppers Poster containing above language appears on campus.
Himan telephones Mangum at approximately 10:00pm. This call was not included in Himan’s typewritten report nor provided in discovery to the defense. The call was first disclosed in the timeline prepared for Patrick Baker’s response to Mayor Bell’s request. The subject of the discussion has not been disclosed.
WEDNESDAY MARCH 29: First Joint Command Meeting with Duke and Durham officials, including Nifong, City Manager Patrick Baker, Deputy Durham PD Chief Hodge, Duke VP Graves, and Duke Police Chief Dean.
CSI Ashby provides additional specimens to the SBI for analysis.
Nifong, in an interview with the N&O, calls the players “a bunch of hooligans.”
Second house rented by lacrosse players is searched without a search warrant. Items were seized.
‘Wanted” vigilante poster showing lacrosse team members’ pictures posted on campus, in Trinity Park. Poster allegedly is prepared under direction of Capt. Jeff Lamb [Ekstrand para 521]
A “Take Back the Night” rally is held on the Duke campus.
THURSDAY MARCH 30: SBI has a conference call with Nifong, Gottlieb, and Himan confirming the SBI final report would show no DNA evidence linking the lacrosse players to Mangum.
Joe Cheshire, attorney for David Evans, sends Nifong a letter complaining that Nifong’s public statements were prejudging the guilt of the lacrosse players and falsely suggesting they were not cooperating.
N&O article quotes lacrosse defense lawyers Bill Thomas and Joe Cheshire objecting to prejudicial statements and stating their clients are innocent.
FRIDAY MARCH 31: Nifong summons Gottlieb and Himan to instruct them to set up a new identification procedure for Mangum to pick three players (eventually conducted April 4).
Gottlieb briefs Capt. Lamb and Lt. Ripberger about the new identification procedure, which is not consistent with department policies about line-ups.
Nifong suggests for the first time in comments to press that condoms may have been used, incorrectly implying this would explain negative DNA results.
Duke Police Invs. Smith and Stostensberg improperly turn over FERPA-protected key card information of the whereabouts of team members on March 13 and 14 to Gottlieb.
Duke VP Larry Moneta warns students about the possibility of drive-by shootings of Duke students in an alert.
(Edited and revised 6/29/09)
EVANS et al v. DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA, CITY OF et al
MCFADYEN et al v. DUKE UNIVERSITY et al
CARRINGTON et al v. DUKE UNIVERSITY et al
Motion to Suppress the Alleged "Identification" of the Defendants by the Accuser
Supplement to Motion to Suppress the Alleged “Identification”
Motion for Recusal of District Attorney
Ben Himan’s Case Notes
Mark Gottlieb’s State Bar Deposition
Duke University & Brodhead Statements
Duke Chronicle Articles
Johnsville Blog Posts
News & Observer Articles
News & Observer series “Rush to Judgment” by Joe Neff
KC Johnson’s Case Narrative
Chronology by Vance Holmes “Poetic Justice”
Duke Police Report 3/14/06
Crimestoppers & Vigilante Posters
Edited by sceptical, Jun 29 2009, 09:05 PM.
|Joan Foster||Jun 19 2009, 02:44 PM Post #2|
||This is terrific! Many thanks!|
|Quasimodo||Jun 19 2009, 03:10 PM Post #3|
Let's poke a few holes through the official records :
I wonder if she made any other calls? (I guess we'll never know, since Judge Stephens apparently let the evidence degrade...)
Fastest response in Durham history. (Try calling the DPD from some neighborhoods to report anonymously that someone has called you a name, and see how long it takes the DPD to send two police cars to the site...)
And between 12:53 and 1:22 Mangum and Pittman were ... where? Cruising? Enjoying the night air?
She needed these pain killers because...? What actual injuries did she have for which she required pain killers?
Great advice for a member of the bar to give to anyone, especially to anyone who might possibly be the subject of a false rape accusation...
How did Gottlieb get in on it? Didn't any of his superiors have to know and approve?
A case with possibly huge repercussions, and Gottlieb doesn't keep it himself but assigns it to a rookie (along with the responsiblity)?
Why didn't he talk with Dr. Manly? Wouldn't that be the first choice?
The infamous "Blue Wall of Silence"...
What veteran officer neglects to write "the alleged rape"? And who settled on "three" males? (Mangum would identify four during her only productive ID session.)
More GREAT advice from an attorney and member of the bar to persons about to be the subject of false rape accusations.
Who interviewed Gottlieb, and did he call the press first or did the press call him? And, since he wasn't in charge of the investigation--that was Himan--why did the press talk to him at all? He was only a second-line investigator on the case...
And again, who settled on three men? Mangum's first statements were not about three men. If you discount those remarks, and also discount the remarks about her money being stolen and her partner helping the rapists, and the other three dancers being present, how do you settle on the tale of there being three rapists as being rock-solid and believable? (Especially, how do you do this if you are a veteran investigator?)
Edited by Quasimodo, Jun 19 2009, 03:11 PM.
|Quasimodo||Jun 19 2009, 03:25 PM Post #4|
Gottlieb again. Why wouldn't the press do direct to the chief, or to a public relations officer, and ask for details? Were they dealing directly with Gottlieb (or was Gottlieb the one who was dealing directly with them)?
Are officers usually permitted to speak directly to the press without an official police spokesperson?
And why speak with Gottlieb, when it's Himan, not Gottlieb, who is the chief investigator on the case? Where is Himan quoted in any article?
Bizarre. Usually supboenas are given to hospital administrators or legal counsel. Somehow Gottlieb cut out all the middlemen. This might be be expected of a rookie, but not a veteran officer.
Was he deliberately bypassing Manly and trying to get a statement from Levicy?
Bizarre. And did the Chief sign off on this? What if the Chief found out afterward and did not approve? Did Lamb take this responsibility by himself?
And did Nifong bypass the Chief?
A full PR campaign to force the players to negotiate. Only question is, why did Duke and the DPD cooperate?
Demonstrably untrue, and something for which the N&O would be civilly liable, as well.
Spontaneous, or organized?
More public PR blitz to try and force a plea deal, when he knows there is no evidence.
Why on earth would a university president desirous of learning all he can about what happened refuse to look at a presentation by defense attorneys? Wouldn't he like to be able to find out that there was no rape, and that a Duke team was not involved in such? Wouldn't he want to even the take the chance of finding this out? All his troubles would be over if he could announce that there had been no rape by a Duke team.
His actions make it seem he did not want to find that out. (MOO)
|Quasimodo||Jun 19 2009, 03:29 PM Post #5|
Why didn't the media press the DPD on this? If they lie to the press, doesn't the press care?
And how often is there a JOINT COMMAND MEETING over a crime in Durham? There were 121 other claims of rape made in Durham and Chapel Hill in 2006; how many of these had a JOINT COMMAND formed?
"We were just obeying orders..."
So what good is FERPA if you can violate it with impunity?
|~J~ is in Wonderland||Jun 19 2009, 03:37 PM Post #6|
~J~ is in Wonderland
|Quasimodo||Jun 19 2009, 03:40 PM Post #7|
Ironic that there's a half-hour gap in the whereabouts of Crystal and Kim but NOT in the whereabouts of any of the lax team...
|chatham||Jun 19 2009, 03:49 PM Post #8|
||Thanks sceptical, this is great|
|chatham||Jun 19 2009, 03:56 PM Post #9|
"Robert Dean, head of Duke Police, reviews Day's report at 7:30 a.m. and then informs Duke officials, INCLUDING Dean of Students."
On the first day after the party many Duke officials knew about the accusation of a rape on their property. If Robert dean did not know it involved Duke students, then why inform Duke officials? Soon after this revelation, "Durham PD Sgt. Mark Gottlieb learnsof the case and seeks to take it over from B. Jones." Everyone knew it was a Duke party on Tuesday March 14th.
ETA: and 7:30 am was before the SANE exam even started.
Edited by chatham, Jun 19 2009, 04:05 PM.
|Baldo||Jun 19 2009, 04:01 PM Post #10|
I posted it up on the Main Blog with sceptical's permission
This way you have a link to send it. Also the search engines will be able to index it and reference it.
Many thanks to sceptical. He does great work!
Edited by Baldo, Jun 19 2009, 04:02 PM.
|Baldo||Jun 19 2009, 04:08 PM Post #11|
Yes, sort of shoots the idea Duke's Senior Administration didn't know about it.
...the official report of the Duke Police Department was submitted and reviewed by the Duke Police Director, Robert Dean, at 7:30 a.m. on March 14. This report indicated clearly that the individual making the allegations was a black woman—though information about her race and about the racial aspects of the case did not reach key administrators (including President Brodhead) until March 24. The substance of the report, including the fact that the students involved were lacrosse players but not the fact that the presumed victim was black, was communicated by Mr. Dean by phone to the Assistant Vice President of Student Affairs and Dean of Students, Sue Wasiolek, on the morning of March 14. Dean Wasiolek immediately contacted the lacrosse coach, the Director of Athletics, and others in the athletics department, who in turn contacted members of the lacrosse team. Dean Wasiolek also contacted her supervisor, Vice President for Student Affairs Larry Moneta, but neither Wasiolek nor Moneta was aware of the racial aspects of the situation until March 24—a gap in communications that is extraordinary.
*The initial Wasiolek/Moneta round of communications reached the Executive Vice President (EVP), Tallman Trask, but not members of the academic side of the Duke administration or the President until much later. The Public Affairs office was not briefed until Friday, March 17 (after having first learned of the incident that day by monitoring a community listserv)....
THE DUKE ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE TO LACROSSE ALLEGATIONS
William G. Bowen and Julius L. Chambers
May 4, 2006
|chatham||Jun 19 2009, 04:09 PM Post #12|
||March 17th Gottlieb e-mail to the TP listserv only mentioned a party, not a stripper party. Why? If it was a stripper party would anyone believe a rape claim? Even the N&O article that day only mentioned a party. Maybe they got the info from someone employed by the N&O in their Durham office who are on the listserv|
|chatham||Jun 19 2009, 04:16 PM Post #13|
March 20. Durham police subpoena the medical records of magnum. Why the entire medical record? Did they want to know her mental health for her rape claims? (maybe I am misinterpreting this and they only wanted the rape exam report.)
"HIMAN CALLS TAMMY ROSE of angels Escort service, who gives him Pittmans name and TELLS HIM PITTMAN SAID THERE HAD BEEN NO SEXUAL ASSAULT. Who told Kim that there was a sexual assault claim made by crystal? Who told the escort service and said that crystal made that statement?
The chronicle said on the 20th that it was just a party. Not a stripper party. Makes it sound like a nice girl got boinked?
|chatham||Jun 19 2009, 04:23 PM Post #14|
ON March 21 the Duke Chronicle published a second article about the party. In that article Gottlieb is quoted as saying " Gottlieb said ANY MAN THAT ATTENDED THE PARTY MARCH 13 WOULD BE A VIABLE SUSPECT but refused to go into further detail."
Does Gottliebs statement sound familiar and something very similar to what NIFONG would say on the 27th NIFONG THREATENS TO ARREST ANY LACROSSE TEAM MEMBERS WHO WERE AT PARTY AS ACCESSORIES TO RAPE.
Supposedly Nifong did not know anything about the case until the 24th, 3 days after the Chronicle article. Chances of Gottleib and nifong saying the same thing about this case? ZeRO
|nyesq83||Jun 19 2009, 04:33 PM Post #15|
"Gottlieb described the party as a mix of college students and non-students. "
Hmmm, did he assume Kim & CGM = non-students?
"Gottlieb said any man that attended the party March 13 would be a viable suspect but refused to go into further detail."
scare tactics from the very start
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