| When Did Nifong Learn About Crystal's Rape Claim?; J in C Challenges March 23 Copier Story | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 14 2009, 09:34 AM (3,097 Views) | |
| chatham | Jun 14 2009, 08:11 PM Post #16 |
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nifong greta transcript http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194124,00.html |
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| Lodge Pro 345 | Jun 14 2009, 08:14 PM Post #17 |
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. How does Mike Nifong get City Manager Patrick Baker and Mayor Bill Bell to lie and/or mischaracterize the evidence in the case when the Duke Report appeared? Remember, Mayor Bell and City Manager Baker had been having their own meetings with the detectives on the case and the Police Brass without Nifong. This is not down the line, this is in the first stages of the case. |
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| chatham | Jun 14 2009, 08:16 PM Post #18 |
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This interview is quite interesting. He did say what ~J~ indicated. He also said he was not worried about riots or other disruptive behavior by the citizens of Durham Something Bell said he was worried about. He was also asked why he was or whether he was going to being this case to court himself. He said that he had not been in the court room in over a year and he would bring the case to trial himself. He was the best one to do it to serve the people of Durham, especially since this was a national media case. Of course we all know that was not true. nifong was the only one who could remember the lies he conjured up and the only one who would keep the frame going strong with backing by others. That alone indicates based on what we know now that he was with the frame from the beginning. |
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| chatham | Jun 14 2009, 08:19 PM Post #19 |
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Maybe it is the other way around. How does baker and bell get nifong to get on the case and lie from the very beginning. |
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| JSwift | Jun 14 2009, 08:29 PM Post #20 |
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Nifong's election was adequate motivation for him. I have heard nothing to make me believe that Bell, Baker and others cared anything about Nifong's election. I continue to believe he was set up as the scapegoat in case something went wrong. |
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| sceptical | Jun 14 2009, 08:30 PM Post #21 |
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The Greta interview with Nifong is indeed interesting. Thanks for finding it. With respect to when he learned about the case, remember that the N&O had stories on March 18 and 19 and the Chronicle on March 21.
Edited by sceptical, Jun 14 2009, 08:32 PM.
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| Lodge Pro 345 | Jun 14 2009, 08:31 PM Post #22 |
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. Bell and Baker were trying to control public perception of the case early on. They enter the case when info filters out that is damaging to the case. They make comments to the press, the Press likes their take and their comments overshadow the evidence that has briefly made it into the media. They successfully redirected the public conversation and perception and send the media wolves back to the prey. . |
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| Lodge Pro 345 | Jun 14 2009, 08:34 PM Post #23 |
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. Nifong was expendable as they come, IMO. |
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| sceptical | Jun 14 2009, 08:40 PM Post #24 |
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It appears there are at least three lines of thought as to who was mainly (although not solely) responsible for the attempted frame: 1) Mike Nifong 2) Durham Police, especially Mark Gottlieb and his superiors 3) Durham officials including then City Manager Patrick Baker and Mayor Bill Bell The early days of the frame-up offer some clues, especially figuring out when Nifong knew about it, and did he take any action on that knowlege before March 24. |
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| ~J~ is in Wonderland | Jun 14 2009, 08:42 PM Post #25 |
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j, I highly value your opinion but your post is obscure to me. I agree that politics played a major role in the attempted frame-up because Nifong was losing and desperate. But if Nifong and the police did not hatch the frame-up, as you suggest, who did? What do you mean by the downtown loop? The city officials (Baker, Bell)? The police command (Chalmers, Hodge)? The courthouse lawyers? What do you mean by the downtown loop? The employee's who would have lost their jobs and service benefits if Freda had won. The courthouse lawyers who would need favors. The lawyers who were supporting Mike certainly wouldn't expect Freda to give them favors after they publicly supported Mike. My view is that Mark Gottlieb is the initial perpetrator, rescuing the case file from being closed and taking on the case. However, his activities had to have been approved by higher-ups in the police department, including Jeff Lamb and possibly Ron Hodge. My view is that Mark Gottlieb is the initial perpetrator. I agree that is probably true. This was his big 15 min. of fame that got out of control. iirc this is about the time Mike declared himself lead investigator. The chief was gone, Hodge was suppose to be in charge but was he really? He had a AA girl saying she had been raped. Victoria stirring up the AA community and taking care of the Mangum family. Jesse J. and the Panthers making noise. Poor C' Destine's web site had been exposed, his mom giving money to Mike, ect. Was Hodge just suppose to step back and not support the AA community? Butch Williams surely told Hodge CGM was lying. Gottlieb, Hodge, Himan, Mike, any one of them could have told the truth but didn't. There was no political reason for the DPD to not tell the truth. They were trying to save face and didn't know how to do it ...... imo-how could they now say these rich white boys didn't rape a poor black girl with small children, without starting a riot or loosing their jobs? The storm continues to brew every time Mike went on national tv...... as he said, all of this is worth a million buck to him in free advertisement. He needed this win to save his own job, you know the one he didn't want to start with. Mike was NOT a politician, but there were those around him that understood this could put him in the winners circle. I do not believe the copier story claiming that Nifong learned about the case on the afternoon of March 23, but I do believe Gottlieb got the ball rolling before Nifong was involved. I hope you will be able to comment more because you have a unique perspective on this issue. Thanks! Edited by ~J~ is in Wonderland, Jun 14 2009, 08:58 PM.
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| ~J~ is in Wonderland | Jun 14 2009, 08:51 PM Post #26 |
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T, I want comment about the Mayor, I will wait for the trials for his side. I will comment about Baker. Patrick was green in his new role a manager. I believe he went on the comments/reports made to him by Mike and the DPD who were already up to their eyeballs in lies. Patrick didn't have a clue other than what he was told. jmoo |
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| Lodge Pro 345 | Jun 14 2009, 08:56 PM Post #27 |
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. There was a video of Nifong. I'm having trouble locating it - but Nifong was trying to make an impassioned plea to the cameras. The viewer immediately sees that Nifong is not media savvy - and not ready for prime time. He looks like a rank amateur out of water. . . |
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| sceptical | Jun 14 2009, 08:58 PM Post #28 |
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No one is claiming Mike Nifong was a good politician. The question is whether he knew about Crystal's charges before March 23, and whether he participated in the frame-up before then. |
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| Lodge Pro 345 | Jun 14 2009, 09:14 PM Post #29 |
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. This is NOT the Video that I posted about earlier; however, this Video is from April, 06. This woman (Freda Black) is in Durham - yet she knew what was going on at that time (she knew the score.) Listen to what she says about Mike Nifong. http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=6ddf1773-b459-4da4-96b9-36624311daed . |
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| chatham | Jun 14 2009, 09:20 PM Post #30 |
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Sure Hodge had an AA girl claiming rape but he also had his own PD saying it was a hoax. Why would he believe his AA girl rather than his own PD. I dont see a police report saying it was a false rape report and then have the acting police chief believing the AA girl over a multi witnessed police report saying that a rape did not happen. Was V. Peterson helping CGM the day she went home from the Duke ED? If so, she could have been a or the source of information to nifong. Wasn't VP working for the campaign? or did VP know nifong already? If peterson waited until the news broke in the town papers or the Duke chronicle, that timeline does not fit because the frame was already organized. In all honesty I dont see anyone letting gottlieb have 15 minutes of anything let alone fame. He was not liked by a lot of people including Duke students. Besides he had a lot of fame inhis own mind with Duke students already and he could not have known this case would turn into a national spectacle. If hodge caved to gottlieb with no evidence other than hearsay and not believing his own PD that there was no rape, that in itself seems almost unbelievable as a start to this frame. These types of activities do not just randomly happen and all of a sudden turn into a frame. But we do know that nifong knew about this case before he said he knew. |
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