| Lawyer gives inside look at Duke lacrosse case | |
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| mike in houston | Feb 14 2009, 04:23 PM Post #1 |
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In 2006, the so-called Duke lacrosse rape case seemed poised to be the spark of a class uprising in Durham and throughout North Carolina. While calling it the case of the century may have been a reach, there were few people in the state and nation who were not familiar with at least the bare bones of the case. On Friday afternoon, about 50 area lawyers — including a few prosecutors and judges — learned some of the more profound details of the case from an attorney who represented one of the three Duke University students who were accused of raping a Durham exotic dancer, Crystal Gail Mangum, in March 2006. Jim Cooney, who now travels the country giving his two-hour seminar on the case, was in Statesville at the request of Valerie Chambers, membership coordinator of the Greater Statesville Chamber of Commerce. Chambers said she had passing familiarity with the case and, after a conversation with a Statesville attorney, tracked down Cooney and persuaded him to bring his seminar to Iredell County. Cooney calls his presentation, "The Anatomy of a Hoax" and goes through a very intricate but understandable outline of how Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong ignored some evidence, attempted to suppress other evidence and ignored obvious streams of investigation. www2.statesville.com/content/2009/feb/14/lawyer-gives-inside-look-duke-lacrosse-case/news-local/ I like the first line |
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| Quasimodo | Feb 14 2009, 04:41 PM Post #2 |
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| sceptical | Feb 14 2009, 05:10 PM Post #3 |
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(This probably did not include other costs, such as private investigators, polling, consultants etc. I have heard estimates of $4-5 million total for the defense of Reade, Collin, and Dave.) |
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| MikeZPU | Feb 14 2009, 05:57 PM Post #4 |
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Another critical quote:
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| Baldo | Feb 14 2009, 08:21 PM Post #5 |
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Cooney said while not a single trace of DNA was left on Mangum by any of the accused men — "Not a single skin cell that could come off (by brushing your hand)" — during the course of allegedly raping and assaulting her for a half-hour, and yet BM left DNA despite his best and trained efforts not to. "These guys are dressed up in space suits," he said. On top of that, Cooney said, DNA from more than a dozen other men were found on Mangum's body.And for all the DNA to survive and for none of it to be from the accused men, was, Cooney said, "impossible." http://www2.statesville.com/content/2009/feb/14/lawyer-gives-inside-look-duke-lacrosse-case/news-local/ "BM" is Brian Meehan and a rather apt abbreviation Yet we had a Biology Professor at Duke say she wasn't sure after Cooper's declaration. This was repeated and still is repeated by the likes of the "People for the Ethical Treatment of Mike Nifong." A reporter who works for the local newspaper and the something must have happened crowd. Whether anyone in Durham's City Hall or at Duke University wants to hear this or not. Nifong, Himan, and Gottlieb KNEW it was impossible for any Lax Player to have sexually assaulted "her." Meehan knew it and I imagine many others in the Joint Durham-Duke Command knew it also. Yet they indicted them and put the entire 2006 Duke Lacrosse Team and their Families through hell for one year. One day the citizens of Durham and the alumni of Duke will wake up to one Gigantic Headache after these Civil Lawsuits give a financial 2 x 4 across Durham's & Duke's Wallet. Edited by Baldo, Feb 14 2009, 09:19 PM.
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| Lodge Pro 345 | Feb 14 2009, 08:26 PM Post #6 |
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. The details of this case are really captivating. Most people don't have the fainted clue. Jim Cooney could speak regularly on this subject and get plenty of interest, IMO. Not many cases that had this incredible amount of evidence -- but the hanging had to go on. A City got behind the charges and persisting long after it was plainly obvious they had innocent men headed for the slammer. . |
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| 60slib | Feb 14 2009, 08:44 PM Post #7 |
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Any time and every time, any way and every way, the facts of the story get told, I like it! |
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| MikeZPU | Feb 14 2009, 09:19 PM Post #8 |
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Most people I know have little or no knowledge about this case. When I just barely scratch the surface, their jaws drop -- they are stunned even when I just tell them the bare minimum of some of the unbelievable wrongdoing that went on during this case. Like 60slib said, I am very happy to hear that Jim Cooney is going around the country telling this story, because it is a story that has to be told. |
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| MikeZPU | Feb 14 2009, 09:25 PM Post #9 |
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Haha -- could not agree more about BM, as abb would put it, he's a "pile of sh#t" ![]() And you are absolutely right: make no mistake about it, Nifong Himan, Gottlieb, Meehan and others absolutely knew with 100% certainty that it was all a lie. As you said, Meehan knew it was a lie and yet he tried to claim his 98% non-exclusion fingernails mixtures result was "significant." BM BS Edited by MikeZPU, Feb 14 2009, 09:26 PM.
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| chatham | Feb 14 2009, 09:50 PM Post #10 |
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Another critical quote:
[/quote]This statement by Cooney is critical. Where the DNA was found is very important. Is Cooney saying Mangum;s body or genital areas. There is a very important difference. I will assume that Cooney;s words are very accurate and he really means body; any part of the body. That comment is critical because it so strongly indicates that no one at the LAX party came in contact with Magnum in a manner that would be "rough" enough to leave cellular DNA. ANd it does not take much contact to leave DNA on another persons body. There are photos showing that one or more of the LAX players were touching mangum but not "rough" enough to leave any DNA behind. The probability of DNA being found on her body by reason of simply dancing or being at the LAX party would suggest that some or any of the guys would have somehow touched mangum in a way that would have left DNA behind. Even as magnum told people that she was assaulted in the bathroom, the evidence of DNA found on the towels and/or rug would also strongly suggest that mangum did not come in contact with those items in that bathroom. The framers were hoping beyond all hope that random DNA would be found on mangum's body. It should have been there. It was not. And as Cooney says in the quote above, that should have been impossible. No one at that party that night in that house was either drunk enough or turned on enough to be bold enough to touch or even come close enough to the body of magnum to leave cellular DNA. Cooney's statement is also rather specific and clear saying that none of the DNA was from the accused men. Was he saying all of the players who were accused by way of the NTO or was he just talking about RCD. Finally, finding the DNA of 12 other men on mangum's body indicates that she did not shower from the time 12 other guys left DNA on her body up to the time the DNA evidence was taken off her body. |
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| Bill Anderson | Feb 14 2009, 10:05 PM Post #11 |
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That there still are True Believers after what we know tells me that there were a lot of dishonest people promoting this case. From Nifong to Wendy Murphy to Nancy Grace to Prof. Broverman and Sally Deutsch, there are a lot of evil people around. Anyone in law enforcement and in the justice system who really believed that the evidence was "inconclusive" really needs to be in another line of work.
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| MikeZPU | Feb 15 2009, 01:01 PM Post #12 |
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There are many disturbing and frightening aspects to this case. One of them is that it took that much money -- $4-5 million total -- to defend against transparently false accusations, to defend against a case where there was no incriminating evidence, to defend against a low-life, money-grubbing stripper who had stolen a cab for a joy ride two years earlier and almost ran down a police officer, who had cried gang rape once before, and who had a history of mental problems. It goes to how many people enabled this frame, too numerous to mention here but certainly includes Bell and Baker, the DPD, a a number of Duke Faculty and the media. They enabled Gottlieb, Nifong, Levicy and others to almost successfully frame transparently innocent young men IN THE PUBLIC EYE NO LESS! Remember that it came down to one tie-breaker vote of a State Bar Panel to file ethics violations against Nifong, or these may boys have been sent to prison for several decades! And they would have expended a substantially larger sum of money defending themselves at trial, on appeal, etc. Edited by MikeZPU, Feb 15 2009, 01:32 PM.
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