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new look at JonBenet Ramsey case; "the DNA evidence is compelling..."
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Joan Foster
Feb 3 2009, 04:45 PM
brittany
Feb 3 2009, 04:10 PM
I am seeing parents register their child for 4 sports a season, sometimes on 5 and 6 teams per season. Bones not fully developed. Injuries to growth plates. Bad knees on 10 year olds. The parents are living out their dreams and think their child is going to get a full athletic scholarship to a Div. I college.
Agreed that this is problematic as well, Brit, but there's something a little sleazier IMO about wanting people to view your 6 year old as a sex object than to view your 6 year old as a football star.

Anybody else see "Little Miss Sunshine"?
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This whole case was (is) weird. The killer knew too much about the ramsey house. A stranger doesnt hang around and find ways in and out of the place or safe sites to hide in the house. The note alone indicates someone knew too much about the Ramseys. Maybe the DNA is animal DNA and that is why it did or does not match anything (yet). Although animal DNA can be differentiated from human DNA that may not have been the case back when it was first discovered. I just dont know.
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Sydney Carton

JF:
The fact that the Killer came to the home with nothing, yet roamed around finding paper, pen, the things he needed...all undetected by the family. This was some laid-back killer...just took his time in that house, finding what he needed Very strange..

I saw a tour of the basement once on TV. It's a confusing series of rooms. I have the same set-up in my home. It's hard to think of a stranger finding his way from place to place down there, in the dark, with a child no less.
SC:
Joan, the entire Ramsey family left for their Christmas party in the very early morning; the house was empty for ,I believe, well over twelve hours.
No problem for a through casing job.Ordinarily the Ramseys ran a wide open house,when it came time in the wake of the investigation to account for the keys it developed there were dozens floating about.
Further the Ramseys literally held an open house(at the request of a civic group) a few weeks before the murder.Hundreds of people came and went;there were no signing-in book and absolutely no security.Anyone
could have spent hours casing the house that day.
The Ramseys,prior to the murder,were extremely slap dash open-handed people. The difficulties you raise,like the difficulties in the Duke case,existed mainly in the minds of the press.
Chatham:
The DNA has been tested in recent months by the best modern methods.That is precisely why the Ramseys were absolved.

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Joan Foster

Sydney Carton
Feb 3 2009, 06:30 PM
JF:
The fact that the Killer came to the home with nothing, yet roamed around finding paper, pen, the things he needed...all undetected by the family. This was some laid-back killer...just took his time in that house, finding what he needed Very strange..

I saw a tour of the basement once on TV. It's a confusing series of rooms. I have the same set-up in my home. It's hard to think of a stranger finding his way from place to place down there, in the dark, with a child no less.
SC:
Joan, the entire Ramsey family left for their Christmas party in the very early morning; the house was empty for ,I believe, well over twelve hours.
No problem for a through casing job.Ordinarily the Ramseys ran a wide open house,when it came time in the wake of the investigation to account for the keys it developed there were dozens floating about.
Further the Ramseys literally held an open house(at the request of a civic group) a few weeks before the murder.Hundreds of people came and went;there were no signing-in book and absolutely no security.Anyone
could have spent hours casing the house that day.
The Ramseys,prior to the murder,were extremely slap dash open-handed people. The difficulties you raise,like the difficulties in the Duke case,existed mainly in the minds of the press.
Chatham:
The DNA has been tested in recent months by the best modern methods.That is precisely why the Ramseys were absolved.

Sydney, I think you are mistaken. They had dinner with the Fleet White family...that did not take 12 hours. Then they delivered a few gifts and got home early to prepare to fly to their vacation home.

They did have an "Open House" party for their friends and neighbors...not sure the Civic Home Tour was that year. Even so, at a charity home tour, there are volunteers in every room , traffic flows along..and I doubt every room was open. Certainly, the basement WOULD NOT be! I've "worked" at a lot of those...people can not roam at will.

How did this pedophile know the amount of JR's ransom? Even if one believes he just made himself at home and wrote a couple of long ransom notes...found Patsy's craft supplies, and made himself comfortable till they got back...he then was relaxed enough to feed JB pineapple while the parents and Burke were upstairs asleep?

Nothing about this case makes sense.
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brittany

Joan, you know neither or us would subject our daughters to such a thing. Heck I don't even wear make-up myself (lipstick on special occasions). Can't imagine it on a 6 year old child.
Edited by brittany, Feb 3 2009, 06:47 PM.
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Joan Foster

brittany
Feb 3 2009, 06:47 PM
Joan, you know neither or us would subject our daughters to such a thing. Heck I don't even wear make-up myself (lipstick on special occasions). Can't imagine it on a 6 year old child.
Absolutely right, Brit!
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Sydney Carton

Joan,
I'll be back to you tomorrow on this.We had basically had this same discussion last year and I thought we had reached some kind of factual consensus.
The open house was not supervised;that was the important thing about it.As for the basement,the widow was broken and was believed by a number of the best qualified investigators to the mode of entrance.
As to our differing recollections I will check back tomorrow,if you haven't done so first.
As to the ransom note,remember it contained quotes from at least six grade-b movies that were circulating oon the then popular vcr .Only a psycho,a subliterate, or a rather moronic teenager would have this vocabulary at their fingertips.
Do you seriously think that the elder Ramseys would have retained memories of thiis stuff iif they had,by chance,ever viewed the entire lot?
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Feb 3 2009, 06:57 PM
Joan,
I'll be back to you tomorrow on this.We had basically had this same discussion last year and I thought we had reached some kind of factual consensus.
The open house was not supervised;that was the important thing about it.As for the basement,the widow was broken and was believed by a number of the best qualified investigators to the mode of entrance.
As to our differing recollections I will check back tomorrow,if you haven't done so first.
As to the ransom note,remember it contained quotes from at least six grade-b movies that were circulating oon the then popular vcr .Only a psycho,a subliterate, or a rather moronic teenager would have this vocabulary at their fingertips.
Do you seriously think that the elder Ramseys would have retained memories of thiis stuff iif they had,by chance,ever viewed the entire lot?
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Sydney C: "I'll be back to you tomorrow on this.We had basically had this same discussion last year and I thought we had reached some kind of factual consensus."

LMAO :roflmao: Sydney.

Guess we're "veterans." Just struck me as a funny turn of a phrase.

:JR:



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brittany

I do hope they find who did these unspeakable things to the child.
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Of course, the perpetrator needs to be caught.

This is a very interesting (and horrifying) case.

There is evidence in this case - much more evidence than thousands of crimes.

I have to believe that the authorities could not fit the existing evidence into the Parents doing the crime. Normally the immediate family is given the most scrutiny in these types of cases.

I know of a case where a Perp spent hours in someone's occupied home and sat on the recliner and watched TV in between murdering two of the occupants of the home. The Perp was an acquaintance of one the family members.

The Person that did this had been in that home before.

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Joan Foster

Yes, we Hooligans have been together so long...we are reviving our old debates...and enjoying them.! :roflmao: :roflmao:

Originally, I suspected the "Santa" that lived across the street...a University professor wasn't he? He wrote a book about a child being kidnapped/murdered and his own daughter was briefly missing. He was in and out of the house and JB had said Santa had a "special surprise" for her.

The Professor had a number of odd behaviors but, apparently, he was cleared early on. He was simply (as we have come to see at Duke) another of the bizarro individuals attracted to that profession. (our brilliant Bill A. and KC excepted. of course.) :bunn:
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Joan Foster
Feb 4 2009, 05:52 AM
The Professor had a number of odd behaviors but, apparently, he was cleared early on. He was simply (as we have come to see at Duke) another of the bizarro individuals attracted to that profession. (our brilliant Bill A. and KC excepted. of course.) :bunn:
Anyone as ill disposed to Vanderbilt (where my godson is a junior) as Bill or as well disposed to Barack as KC cannot be altogether unfamiliar with the precincts of Bizarroland. One of my ambitions is to host these two for lunch, at which blessed event I’d ask Bill what he thinks of Obanomics--and KC if Tennessee might emerge from its own Wonderland by substituting Duke for the Florida Gators on its football schedule.

:biggrin:
Edited by Duke parent 2004, Feb 4 2009, 08:02 AM.
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Joan Foster

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Feb 4 2009, 06:30 AM
Joan Foster
Feb 4 2009, 05:52 AM
The Professor had a number of odd behaviors but, apparently, he was cleared early on. He was simply (as we have come to see at Duke) another of the bizarro individuals attracted to that profession. (our brilliant Bill A. and KC excepted. of course.) :bunn:
Anyone as ill disposed to Vanderbilt (where my godson is a junior) as Bill or as well disposed to Barack as KC cannot be altogether unfamiliar with the precincts of Bizarroland. One of my ambitions is to host these two for lunch, at which blessed event I’d ask Bill what he thinks of Obanomics--and KC if Tennessee might emerge from its own Wonderland by substituting Duke for the Florida Gators on its football schedule.

:biggrin:
May I come too? I'll buy my own lunch.... :hun:
Edited by Joan Foster, Feb 4 2009, 08:30 AM.
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Feb 4 2009, 08:29 AM
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Feb 4 2009, 06:30 AM
Joan Foster
Feb 4 2009, 05:52 AM
The Professor had a number of odd behaviors but, apparently, he was cleared early on. He was simply (as we have come to see at Duke) another of the bizarro individuals attracted to that profession. (our brilliant Bill A. and KC excepted. of course.) :bunn:
Anyone as ill disposed to Vanderbilt (where my godson is a junior) as Bill or as well disposed to Barack as KC cannot be altogether unfamiliar with the precincts of Bizarroland. One of my ambitions is to host these two for lunch, at which blessed event I’d ask Bill what he thinks of Obanomics--and KC if Tennessee might emerge from its own Wonderland by substituting Duke for the Florida Gators on its football schedule.

:biggrin:
May I come too? I'll buy my own lunch.... :hun:
Most soytainly, as I’ll probably need help with the firehose.

:biggrin:
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Joan Foster

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Feb 4 2009, 08:36 AM
Joan Foster
Feb 4 2009, 08:29 AM
Duke parent 2004
Feb 4 2009, 06:30 AM
Joan Foster
Feb 4 2009, 05:52 AM
The Professor had a number of odd behaviors but, apparently, he was cleared early on. He was simply (as we have come to see at Duke) another of the bizarro individuals attracted to that profession. (our brilliant Bill A. and KC excepted. of course.) :bunn:
Anyone as ill disposed to Vanderbilt (where my godson is a junior) as Bill or as well disposed to Barack as KC cannot be altogether unfamiliar with the precincts of Bizarroland. One of my ambitions is to host these two for lunch, at which blessed event I’d ask Bill what he thinks of Obanomics--and KC if Tennessee might emerge from its own Wonderland by substituting Duke for the Florida Gators on its football schedule.

:biggrin:
May I come too? I'll buy my own lunch.... :hun:
Most soytainly, as I’ll probably need help with the firehose.

:biggrin:
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Count me in.
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