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new look at JonBenet Ramsey case; "the DNA evidence is compelling..."
Topic Started: Feb 2 2009, 08:07 PM (1,801 Views)
Quasimodo

Just in case Durham missed it :

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/J/JONBENET_RAMSEY?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

Feb 2, 6:45 PM EST

Boulder police take back JonBenet investigation

By ALYSIA PATTERSON
Associated Press Writer

BOULDER, Colo. (AP) -- The slaying of JonBenet Ramsey will be investigated as a cold case with all evidence and actions taken 12 years ago reviewed anew, the police chief said Monday as the department resumed a probe for which it had long been criticized.

Chief Mark Beckner said new technology gives investigators tools they didn't have a decade ago; the 6-year-old beauty pageant contestant was found bludgeoned and strangled in the basement of her Boulder home in 1996.

Police had transferred the probe to the district attorney's office six years ago amid criticism of how the case was handled.

(snip)

Garnett's predecessor, Mary Lacy, last year cleared Jonbenet's family in the slaying, saying male DNA found on the girl's clothing almost certainly came from her killer, and that it didn't match anyone in the family.

Beckner informed John Ramsey of the change in the investigation in a letter, but gave no hint that police would back away from that finding.

"Nor could any objective investigation back away," Wood said. "(The DNA evidence) is compelling if not conclusive."

Lacy did not run for re-election because of term limits. She told the AP that returning the investigation to police was "a great idea."

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"I believe the DNA (that cleared the Ramsey family) is the most significant piece of evidence, and hopefully, as with some cold cases, there will eventually be a hit on it," she said.

[SINCE WHEN DID LACK OF DNA FROM THE ORIGINAL SUSPECTS, AND THE FINDING OF SOMEONE ELSE'S DNA, CLEAR THE ORIGINAL SUSPECTS OF A CRIME? IS COLORADO BACKWARDS, OR WHAT?]

[insert sarcasm smiley...]

Edited by Quasimodo, Feb 2 2009, 08:09 PM.
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~J~ is in Wonderland
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I will be so glad when they solve this case so this child and her mother can RIP.
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MikeZPU

Despite this DNA finding, I still think that John Ramsey should be
brought to trial so that he can prove his innocence.

Of course, I don't mean that. It's still mind-boggling that the
president of a world-renown major university would make such
an ill-conceived public statement.
Edited by MikeZPU, Feb 2 2009, 10:49 PM.
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Baldo
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What a sad case. I have my doubts they will ever solve it. More doubts that they will convict anyone if they make an eventual arrest. Right now I don't have much faith in the Boulder Police and DA's Office. The lost it the old-fashioned way.
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Joan Foster

There were some things about this case that are so strange. The amount of time the killer spent in the house, writing that LONG note AND even a sample note. The fact that the ransom was the amount of JR's bonus that year. The fact that the Killer came to the home with nothing, yet roamed around finding paper, pen, the things he needed...all undetected by the family. This was some laid-back killer...just took his time in that house, finding what he needed Very strange..

I saw a tour of the basement once on TV. It's a confusing series of rooms. I have the same set-up in my home. It's hard to think of a stranger finding his way from place to place down there, in the dark, with a child no less. And finding the box of Patsy's craft supplies that had JUST what he needed to fashion the garrote.

The other thing I found very, very odd was that Patsy was wearing the clothes she wore to the dinner party the night before...that morning...to travel in. Who does THAT? And this woman WAS very "into" her appearance. In fact, Patsy sent her sister out to get her the "Jackie Kennedy"-esque mourning clothes (and HATS) she wore for the public appearances. I don't know if I could get out of bed , much less care how I looked at my child's funeral.

Of course, after this case, I know longer "trust" "what I know" (but I do not believe any of the above are in dispute) I agree that the DNA will trump all...but no doubt, this was one strange, strange case. Somehow, I think there is a "story" here, different from just a very unprepared pedophile spending hours in the family home assembling what he needed, writing long notes, feeding Jon Benet pineapple, then committing this terrible crime.
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darby

Joan Foster
Feb 3 2009, 07:26 AM
There were some things about this case that are so strange.

[snip...]

Very strange..

I've seen some of the crime scene photos and as a parent with no demonstrable history of violent behavior, I cannot imagine that either John or Patsy could kill their own child in the grotesque manor depicted in the images.

I can understand if they might have struck her or something if upset and maybe tried to cover it up. But if I understand the case correctly, the stangulation was the cause of death and "other" things were done to her as well.

I may be a bit naive, but IMO parents who spend thousands of dollars to showcase their child, don't kill them like that.

Now if there was some indication that the parents weren't really the parents.... nah.......
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Joan Foster

darby
Feb 3 2009, 12:49 PM
Joan Foster
Feb 3 2009, 07:26 AM
There were some things about this case that are so strange.

[snip...]

Very strange..

I've seen some of the crime scene photos and as a parent with no demonstrable history of violent behavior, I cannot imagine that either John or Patsy could kill their own child in the grotesque manor depicted in the images.

I can understand if they might have struck her or something if upset and maybe tried to cover it up. But if I understand the case correctly, the stangulation was the cause of death and "other" things were done to her as well.

I may be a bit naive, but IMO parents who spend thousands of dollars to showcase their child, don't kill them like that.

Now if there was some indication that the parents weren't really the parents.... nah.......
Good points and something to think about.

But I guess the way they spent those thousands of dollars...almost using this child for their own ego gratification...is another part of the picture that disturbs me.

In one book, the babysitter was quoted as saying Jon Benet had a problem with defecating in her bed...at 6 years old. The sheets were different from the ones the babysitter put on the bed. For a long time, I believed that Patsy, exhausted from staging her perfect Christmas, still wrapping gifts to leave in the AM, just walked into a mess and snapped. She was still taking medication and "recovering" from ovarian cancer. I thought John helped her because he knew she was very sick and they had a son to protect.

After reading the ransom note, I also thought it odd that, after calling the police, Patsy called 2 or three couples and asked them to come over. The note said the house would be watched, that "they" would kill her if the parents called the police even...wouldn't you be terrified? Would you have friends tramping into your home so early it would be obvious? When the ransom call time came and passed, the police said there was no outburst, no recognition. I can see myself pacing,frantic, crying.."Why don't they call?"

Yet, there is this new DNA...touch DNA on the side of the long johns matching that in her underwear.

Somehow I doubt we'll ever know the truth.
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Locomotive Breath

Well, let's hope that the DNA found at the crime scene eventually matches in a database, somewhere, sometime, with someone who can be shown to have been there.

So if we postulate that the killer had familiarity with the house, what's wrong with an NTO to DNA test everyone the family ever knew?
Edited by Locomotive Breath, Feb 3 2009, 02:22 PM.
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darby

It is an interesting study of the human condition when one observes others in times of crisis. When your child is choking how do you act? When a child participates in activities how supportive / critical should a parent be? And when death or severe tragedy occurs, how does a "normal" person respond?

Many of us might judge others in how we would act. I myself even mentioned "how could a parent kill their child in that manor"... But if we try to project our own actions as normal onto others we risk prejudging them.

For one might surmise that a "normal" person wouldn't viciously kill their own child, so how could we expect them to react "normally" to other events surrounding the killing. That is definitely a prejudgment which could be made in error.

I am at times miffed by many of the articles calling Patsy abusive for entering Jon Benet into the many beauty pageants. Living her life through her child.. The same could be said for Tiger Woods' parents. Tiger's success, though remarkable could be a direct result of the very same "abuse" attributed to Patsy Ramsey.

I too have experience with young children in activities which cost us thousands of dollars and consumed hours of family time. Though it appeared to us our children enjoyed and benefited from the experience, I'm sure there were those who might suggest some "stage parenting".

Bed wetting has also run in our family and it never occurred to us that the child was doing it on purpose, so how could discipline "fix it". Then again that's me projecting our behavior as normal vs. someone else's actions as "abnormal". Who's to say what works and what doesn't, maybe we just got lucky. I know for sure that some things work for some kids and some don't.

I'm not saying Patsy didn't do it. I'm looking at the evidence I've seen and maybe as a parent praying she didn't. But I'd really hate to see her condemned simply because she didn't "act normal" and they can't find anyone else to pin it on. And personally, I think if she did do it John will eventually tell us, if she didn't, I agree we may never know.

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Joan Foster

You are right, Darby.

If Patsy DID not do it...what a terrible last few years she had. I AM guilty of"judging" her, it's true...I guess there were always so many things that, taken all together, just seemed (and still do) so "off" to me.

Someone did commit the near-perfect crime here though, didn't they?
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darby

Agreed.... I wonder, not that it matters or could be determined... Which case has cost this country more in terms of actual fiscal costs as well as time spent searching for the truth?

And the meter is still running.... on both... I hope because there are those to whom the truth still matters.
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brittany

Not that I agree with the beauty pageant for a child, but what's the difference between that and so many Dads living their dreams through their sons on the athletic field. Liked the Tiger Woods analogy.
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Joan Foster

brittany
Feb 3 2009, 03:12 PM
Not that I agree with the beauty pageant for a child, but what's the difference between that and so many Dads living their dreams through their sons on the athletic field. Liked the Tiger Woods analogy.
I guess to me it was the hair dye, the make-up, the "sexualization" of a 5-6 year old.
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brittany

I am seeing parents register their child for 4 sports a season, sometimes on 5 and 6 teams per season. Bones not fully developed. Injuries to growth plates. Bad knees on 10 year olds. The parents are living out their dreams and think their child is going to get a full athletic scholarship to a Div. I college.
Edited by brittany, Feb 3 2009, 04:12 PM.
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Joan Foster

brittany
Feb 3 2009, 04:10 PM
I am seeing parents register their child for 4 sports a season, sometimes on 5 and 6 teams per season. Bones not fully developed. Injuries to growth plates. Bad knees on 10 year olds. The parents are living out their dreams and think their child is going to get a full athletic scholarship to a Div. I college.
Agreed that this is problematic as well, Brit, but there's something a little sleazier IMO about wanting people to view your 6 year old as a sex object than to view your 6 year old as a football star.

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