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Plaintiffs’ Response to Nifong’s Motion to Dismiss
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Nifong enjoyed incredible support. One City-Councilman just refused to criticize him, even after all the facts were known to the general public saying he had to live with himself.

Another question is why did Baker and City defend Gottlieb like they did when it was apparent he had fabricated evidence and ignored Police Policy and the law?

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Jan 31 2009, 04:15 PM
MikeZPU,

Do you see any material differences between Kim’s story on 3/22, the story she later told on 60 Minutes, or the team captains’ version of event at the party?
No, I do not see any substantive difference betweem Kim's 3/22 story and the captain's
version of events AND that's exactly why Gottlieb had to act to make sure that Kim did
not talk to the press.

And then Nifong made Kim the sweet deal in order to get Kim to say that she was
away from Mangum longer than 5 minutes.
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Jan 31 2009, 12:27 PM
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Jan 31 2009, 12:17 PM
I see we are fired up! Nothing like the roasting of the disgraced, disbarred, and former DA Nifong to get a Blog Hooligan's Blood flowing.

How sweet it is to see this man walk the plank. That smirking little tyrant who held the fate of the 2006 Duke Lacrosse Team in his wretched hands.

It is one thing for a prosecutor to make an honest mistake, but it is another to deliberately frame innocent men. I agree with Bill that we should hold DAs & Police responsible for their illegal actions. Surely we can promote honesty & integrity in our Justice System.

As for the world's greatest self proclaimed Durham ex-attorney, what do you think is his next action?

a) Assume the fetal position sucking his thumb
b) File a one word response, "So!"

I think we are closing in on the next phase

Baldo I'm going to add one more to your list :

c. Nifong should just bend over :span: put his head between his legs & kiss his ass goodbye. :clean:
Recently Lodge Pro posted a drawing of a sinking ship with the caption "Durham". I thought it was a great visual. However, the one you just described, Clowns would make the perfect sign to hold up at the hearing. I would recommend a billboard size erected along I-85 and I-40.
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My fervent hope is that Nifong will run out of places to hide. Granted, we are dealing with a person incapable of shame, which is why he really needed to be tried on criminal charges, convicted, and sent to prison. We need to get psychopathic criminals like him off the streets.

:bill:
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Jan 31 2009, 04:24 PM
sdsgo
Jan 31 2009, 04:15 PM
MikeZPU,

Do you see any material differences between Kim’s story on 3/22, the story she later told on 60 Minutes, or the team captains’ version of event at the party?
No, I do not see any substantive difference betweem Kim's 3/22 story and the captain's
version of events AND that's exactly why Gottlieb had to act to make sure that Kim did
not talk to the press.

And then Nifong made Kim the sweet deal in order to get Kim to say that she was
away from Mangum longer than 5 minutes.
I forgot to add that as part of the sweet deal that Nifong offered
Kim Roberts, Kim also agreed to place the boys in the bathroom
together with Mangum. See Joe Neff's story below.

In fact, we'll probably never know all that Kim agreed to say or
do in exchange for the sweet deal that Nifong gave her.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/duke_lacrosse/story/565155.html

Wilson's actions shape the case
Joseph Neff - Staff Writer
Published: Wed, Apr. 18, 2007 12:30AMModified Wed, Apr. 18, 2007 03:04AM

Linwood Wilson has been Mike Nifong's go-to guy.

In May, he orchestrated the arrest of Moezeldin Elmostafa, the taxi driver who attested to Reade Seligmann's alibi.

In July, he came up with a new statement from Kim Roberts, the second dancer at the March 13 party. When first contacted by police, Roberts said the rape allegations were a "crock."

According to Wilson, that account changed July 24, when Roberts and her attorney visited Nifong. Roberts was facing possible prison time on a probation violation.

As Roberts' attorney met with Nifong, Roberts sat in a conference room. When Wilson popped in to say hello, Roberts volunteered new details, saying for the first time that Crystal Gail Mangum was in the bathroom with players.

"I need to tell you guys that I have thought about the time frame that night," Roberts said, according to Wilson's account. "I had originally said I wasn't away from her [Mangum] for more than 5 minutes but after thinking about it and what all I did it was more like 15 minutes or maybe a little more.

"...When I got inside I went into the master bedroom where some guys were watching TV and I could hear her [Crystal] in the bathroom with some guys, you know the door was open slightly I started to go in but one of the guys stepped in front of me. I told her I was leaving you know, through the door, and I turned around and went back to my car."

Roberts declined to comment Tuesday, saying the case was over.
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MikeZPU, were the cops present at the meeting on July 24th?

MikeZPU: In fact, we'll probably never know all that Kim agreed to say or
do in exchange for the sweet deal that Nifong gave her.

-- I suspect the plaintiffs' already know. If not, it will come out in discovery.
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Jan 31 2009, 04:29 PM
Clowns
Jan 31 2009, 12:27 PM
Baldo
Jan 31 2009, 12:17 PM
I see we are fired up! Nothing like the roasting of the disgraced, disbarred, and former DA Nifong to get a Blog Hooligan's Blood flowing.

How sweet it is to see this man walk the plank. That smirking little tyrant who held the fate of the 2006 Duke Lacrosse Team in his wretched hands.

It is one thing for a prosecutor to make an honest mistake, but it is another to deliberately frame innocent men. I agree with Bill that we should hold DAs & Police responsible for their illegal actions. Surely we can promote honesty & integrity in our Justice System.

As for the world's greatest self proclaimed Durham ex-attorney, what do you think is his next action?

a) Assume the fetal position sucking his thumb
b) File a one word response, "So!"

I think we are closing in on the next phase

Baldo I'm going to add one more to your list :

c. Nifong should just bend over :span: put his head between his legs & kiss his ass goodbye. :clean:
Recently Lodge Pro posted a drawing of a sinking ship with the caption "Durham". I thought it was a great visual. However, the one you just described, Clowns would make the perfect sign to hold up at the hearing. I would recommend a billboard size erected along I-85 and I-40.
What billboards those would be. :roflmao:
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There were more than just Kim and Elmo who were offered deals and harassed. There were cops that wanted to talk saying something was wrong. We never heard from them and some of them got promotions later on for their silence. Some sweet deals came to some of the early cop players who also got promotions for putting out the wanted posters from crime stoppers and others who allowed the frame to continue. Shelton got harassed. This whole case is about people who got sweet deals because they either said nothing or participated in the crimes. That also goes for levicy and others at Duke including the G-88 who got a department as well as what we are seeing now, deanships, etc. Yes, a whole lot of people made out really good at the expense of RCD and all the their LAX players, their parents and coach Pressler.
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Jan 31 2009, 04:43 PM
MikeZPU, were the cops present at the meeting on July 24th?
I don't think so.

Remember it was Gottlieb and Clayton who served the warrant
on Kim Roberts, very shortly after she gave a detailed statement
to Himan basically backing up the version of events told by the
team captains.

And we all know what was said to Elmo, after the same two
cops served a warrant on him, as they drove him back to the station.

Check out this except from Himan's notes. He seems to get a little
edgy when the SPs want Kim Pitman/Roberts to clarify some
discrepancies. Himan take advantage of a way out ...

3/11/07 1425hrs - Mary Winstead and Jim Coman arrive and are brought up to second floor cid conference room for an interview with Kim Pittman. Mr. Simeon arrived and advised me that he thought his client might be late and he was wondering about the day light savings time that had adjusted on the same date. Kim Pittman arrived and both Mr. Simeon and Kim Pittman were signed in at the desk. I escorted Mr. Simeon and Kim Pittman up to the second floor where Mr. Coman and Mrs. Winstead introduced themselves. Mr. Coman began with what the intention of the interview was, if she could shed some light on some of the discrepancies in “Precious” Crystal Mangum’s statements she had made. Kim Pittman became visibly upset and started questioning why she was even there - she stated that she had already given a statement. Mr. Coman emphasized that he just wanted to clarify some of the information that had been given to him. She then stated that if they needed her testimony and wanted to talk to her they would have to subpoena her. She asked her lawyer if she had to be there, and I advised her that it was totally voluntary. She then got up and stated she was leaving. I escorted her down to the first floor where i took her visitor and badge and signed her out.
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Mike, I think you might be reading too much into the 3/11/07 meeting. Himan may well have been in on the shenanigans, but he accurately recorded both 3/22/06 and 3/11/07 meetings in his notes. Also, the police were well within their rights to serve the arrest warrant on 3/22/06, and Himan was legally correct to advise her the meeting was totally voluntary and escort her out when she got up to leave. Anything else could have constituted a false arrest.



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Nice work Mike ZPU..

Kim probably knew it wasn't safe to buck the system and to be honest when faced with the Powers that be in Durham she couldn't afford to say anything.

Who knows if she was threaten she might have a case against the DA Office & Durham PD. It would probably only have credence after a judgment against the defendants in the three lawsuits. Especially when someone sills the beans.

Why Not? If you are going to have a big weenie roast throw another one on the bbq!
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Jan 31 2009, 05:44 PM
Mike, I think you might be reading too much into the 3/11/07 meeting. Himan may well have been in on the shenanigans, but he accurately recorded both 3/22/06 and 3/11/07 meetings in his notes. Also, the police were well within their rights to serve the arrest warrant on 3/22/06, and Himan was legally correct to advise her the meeting was totally voluntary and escort her out when she got up to leave. Anything else could have constituted a false arrest.



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Her lawyer was the table. I think her lawyer should've advised her - not a cop that has signed false affidavits in the case and intimidated witnesses (like the guy from the hotel room). The SP's are lawyers - I think it's strange for Himan to insert himself here.

This doesn't bode too well for Himan. This is from his deposition.

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So Kim Pittman cant even sue anyone because she lied...oops, changed her story?
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Himan admits that he knew Crystal or Kim was lying in the first days of the case. Yet, they were happy to give Kim a deal to be a prosecution witness.



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Jan 31 2009, 05:44 PM
Mike, I think you might be reading too much into the 3/11/07 meeting. Himan may well have been in on the shenanigans, but he accurately recorded both 3/22/06 and 3/11/07 meetings in his notes. Also, the police were well within their rights to serve the arrest warrant on 3/22/06, and Himan was legally correct to advise her the meeting was totally voluntary and escort her out when she got up to leave. Anything else could have constituted a false arrest.


The 3/11/07 excerpt from Himan's notes was mainly for fun; it was
not a main component of any argument that I was trying to make here today.

Like chatham points out, Kim turned and asked her lawyer if she had to stay;
she didn't ask Himan. Also, the SPs were running the meeting; Himan was just an observer.

As chatham noted, it's interesting that Himan nonetheless quickly interjected and
told Kim it was "totally voluntary." Once he said that, do you think Himan had a
good idea whether Kim would stay and answer questions?

Remember, it was Himan who recorded detailed notes of Kim Robert's extensive
statement on 3/22/06 pretty much backing up the team captains' story; Himan
also recorded her very first statement to him that the sexual assault allegation was a "bunch of crock."

I'm picturing a bead of sweat forming on Himan's brow as this meeting
starts :) with Himan looking for a way out (Remember those Southwest
commercials "Want to get away?" :) )

Edited by MikeZPU, Jan 31 2009, 08:58 PM.
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