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Lowering the Drinking Age; Amethyst Initiative
Topic Started: Jan 30 2009, 10:01 PM (766 Views)
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Soldiers pretty much aren't armed unless they are in a combat zone or working a disaster area, etc.

Your weapon and ammo are pretty much in the arms room under control of the armorer, unless you have a reason to have them. If you successfully check out your weapon and ammo while drunk, that's a whole other problem.

There's no reason to allow a 21 year old soldier to drink and not an 18 year old soldier, as far as I can see.

A drunk 21 year old soldier is pretty much the same as a drunk 18 year old soldier. Same duties, same responsibilities, same likelihood of getting into trouble, same extra pressures.

It's entirely possible for a 20 year old soldier to have far more time in than a 21 year old officer, for example. The butterbar can drink, though.

It's a matter of individual responsibility, which is really not set by age.

I can clearly remember the complaints from soldiers who got into trouble with drinking and partying, to those of us who did basically the same thing, but rarely got into trouble.

"Well, you do it too!"

"Yep. But I'm where I am supposed to be, boots shined, uniform pressed, and on duty the next morning. You aren't."

The military, unfortunately, tends to set the rules according to the few goofballs in the bunch...

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Especially if you serve the 13-year-old a "glass of wine" which consists of a tablespoon of actual wine and the rest filled up with water.


Trying to build up a tolerance? :laughin:

NyQuil would work better back in the day...
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LTC8K6
Feb 2 2009, 09:22 AM
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Especially if you serve the 13-year-old a "glass of wine" which consists of a tablespoon of actual wine and the rest filled up with water.


Trying to build up a tolerance? :laughin:

NyQuil would work better back in the day...
Yes, but not of the kind you're thinking. :toast:
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Feb 1 2009, 03:20 AM
Like I said I have no problem with letting a 18 year old drink if they are responsible. But I do care about the dramatic increase in binge drinking in teenagers. I live in California and the 21 year drinking age has always been 21. Yet we have seen the same dramatic trend in alcohol abuse.

I don't know what it was like in states with 18 year drinking laws. Trying to take the social structure from twenty years ago and applying to today is a difficult task. I know getting blitz is more acceptable in early teenage years then it used to be.

Prohibition was insane because to took the right to purchase away from adults. It was doomed to fail and was poorly enforced anyway as people just broke law and many made their own(My Grandfather!) What we consider the problem with prohibition was the rise in crime because it didn't stop drinking but created new lines of criminal distribution and caused a dramatic increase in graft & corruption with organized crime

Some have studied drinking levels before and after prohibition, but these statistics are hard to prove because there weren't good records! duh! There were some good effects to prohibition like a decline in public drunkenness and some say suicide rated decline for a few years. But people tired of it and were happy to get rid of it.

Whatever we are doing isn't working with our teenagers and I suspect it has more to do with the decline of the traditional family more than anything.





Some of the "increase" is because of better reporting. As a kid I remember going through the UVa. Frat house area Madison Bowl, Rugby Rd. and Carrs Hill, and seeing guy and girls laying there "dead drunk"...The police left them alone...No TV reporters were there demanding that the government take them tojail..Hell the next day they probably wished they were in jail .....

We got beer when we were 14 -18 too if we wanted it, but no one ever put us on TV..24/7 TV news has changed a lot..... :toast:

Like everyone is saying We can't legislate morals..we tried in 1918 and all it did was bring on gan warfare and crime..Today we've made it so difficult for someone 18-21 to get a beer that they go for harder stuff, where no ID is required !!!!!
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Jan 31 2009, 01:39 PM
Also something else the PC crowd (and probably MASDD) has pushed through the state legislaters is the "Underage Drinking" laws, where with only minimal "probable cause" people can be compelled to take a breathlizer and if any amount of alcohol is present be fined up to $1,000.00 in some localities. In a college town with 30 to 60 thougsand students , picking up 100 a night every Fri and Sat brings in $200,00.00 every week..Who needs speed traps anymore !!!!
There is Zero Tolerance even a tiny amount of alcohol can get you a $1,000.00 fine..The kids may have just stepped out of church and taken communion but still have alcohol in them....Were not talking about someone driving, were talking about walking down the street, or standing on your own pourch or patio...
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And, in NC, an underaged drinking (zero tolerance) conviction can (and does) result in driver license revocation -- even if there was no car involved.

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Nuns drink.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2213124.ece
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Feb 7 2009, 12:31 AM
Michael
Jan 31 2009, 01:39 PM
Also something else the PC crowd (and probably MASDD) has pushed through the state legislaters is the "Underage Drinking" laws, where with only minimal "probable cause" people can be compelled to take a breathlizer and if any amount of alcohol is present be fined up to $1,000.00 in some localities. In a college town with 30 to 60 thougsand students , picking up 100 a night every Fri and Sat brings in $200,00.00 every week..Who needs speed traps anymore !!!!
There is Zero Tolerance even a tiny amount of alcohol can get you a $1,000.00 fine..The kids may have just stepped out of church and taken communion but still have alcohol in them....Were not talking about someone driving, were talking about walking down the street, or standing on your own pourch or patio...
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And, in NC, an underaged drinking (zero tolerance) conviction can (and does) result in driver license revocation -- even if there was no car involved.

I'll have to look into Ky. and Ohio, the area where I live and see if that applies also..But they probably do.....
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