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Joan Foster	Jun 23 2009, 12:17 PM
Posts: 3,872 Group: Tier1 Member #427 Joined: Jan 8, 2009	Sherp Jun 23 2009, 11:39 AM Joan Foster Jun 23 2009, 10:58 AM Let's turn this around a bit. If Mangum was as believable as Baker, Levicy et al. would later tell us she was...then, assuming the DPD is a fine police department and DUMC is a stellar medical facility...then what we are seeing is their best and standard effort dealing with a possible rape "victim." I would question all of them from that perspective. "So... when a woman suffering "blunt force trauma"as your employee Levicy described... and all the attending injuries (certainly some had to be visible to the naked eye...remember three strong athletes had raped beaten, kicked her,slammed her head)...when a woman presents like this to DUMC, it is your standard of care to allow her to lay around FOR HOURS...until the next morning? If so, how do you justify treating any possible rape victim as you treated Mangum? If it is NOT your standard level of care for rape victims, what made a difference in your treatment of Mangum? EITHER IT IS YOUR STANDARD LEVEL OF CARE or YOU TREATED MANGUM DIFFERENTLY. Which is it? Of course, we KNOW the answer: THEY DID NOT BELIEVE HER...but this sets up a situation where either THAT is admitted or DUMC is one god-awful hospital in regard to any real rape victim. Likewise, ask DPD if the questions you pose are standard operating procedure for a criminal investigation of a heinous rape? Yes? No? Either they admit they did not believe Mangum or they are one extremely poor excuse for a police department. Is this how they treat a rape victim Baker says they so ardently believed? I'd love to see them choose how to reply: negligence?, incompetence?..or..well..ahhh...we didn't believe her either. Joan, Doctors and Nurses do not make judgements about quilt or innocence in criminal cases. It is not a case of "believing" Crystal's story. Its a case of evaluating her physicaly and treating any injuries found (there were not any), collecting swabs and clothes. They don't make judgments on whether or not a women was raped. Crystal was evaluated by three Doctors and clearly none of them found any injury or medical problem to be treated. If they had, they would have. With no physical problem to be treated and Crystal passed out in the hallway on a stretched, they choose to wait for the SANE nurse. You can be sure they will never do that again but will call in the ON CALL SANE, who can take up to six eight hours to arrive on the scene normally. Its an ON CALL part time job and they arrive when they arrive. The swabs and clothes were sent to SBI and found negative for the Lacrosse Team DNA. I understand what you are saying. But here's my point. Most of us DO assume that when a "victim" presents at a hospital with what will later be called "blunt force trauma" ...it suggests a level of immediacy. I would imagine good medical care is not... determining guilt or innocence...but the judgment of some relative immediacy of further care and testing of the patient before you.. "Blunt force trauma" indicates (to me at least) a level of violence. That level of violence should set into motion an expectation of further evaluation and attention. If I present with a child that I say I cannot get to stop crying with no other attending explanation...I would expect a more laid back level of care than if I say that same child fell from our balcony. The injuries Levicy would attest to in her conversation with Gottlieb...and that the hospital would stand behind as these kids were persecuted...are violent injuries..."blunt force trauma"..."signs and symptoms of a violent gang rape." So they lay her in the hall to sleep it off? Is that THEIR STANDARD of care for a victim of a supposed horrific episode? If your daughter or wife presented at Duke alleging this violent rape...do you expect her to lay in a hall for hours? Are you saying the SANE can float in whenever she feels like it? This is compassionate care for a woman who supposedly has just been through a horrific rape by three athletes? The truth is an assessment of immediacy WAS made.They did not believe her. Now we know from the SANE report that those injuries were not present. They know that too...knew it from the get-go. But THEIR employee was either allowed to put a false story out there of violence that did not exist...or Mangum received pretty poor treatment at DUMC. If they believed her and her first exams supported Levicy's later assertions... she had all these signs and symptoms of rape...she was treated with callous disregard. If they didn't believe her...where were there voices during the long months of Fantastic Lies of Levicy?


20 Questions (from KC) from 2006 · DUKE LACROSSE - Liestoppers