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Sherp	Jun 23 2009, 11:39 AM
Posts: 378 Group: Members Member #438 Joined: Feb 27, 2009	Joan Foster Jun 23 2009, 10:58 AM Let's turn this around a bit. If Mangum was as believable as Baker, Levicy et al. would later tell us she was...then, assuming the DPD is a fine police department and DUMC is a stellar medical facility...then what we are seeing is their best and standard effort dealing with a possible rape "victim." I would question all of them from that perspective. "So... when a woman suffering "blunt force trauma"as your employee Levicy described... and all the attending injuries (certainly some had to be visible to the naked eye...remember three strong athletes had raped beaten, kicked her,slammed her head)...when a woman presents like this to DUMC, it is your standard of care to allow her to lay around FOR HOURS...until the next morning? If so, how do you justify treating any possible rape victim as you treated Mangum? If it is NOT your standard level of care for rape victims, what made a difference in your treatment of Mangum? EITHER IT IS YOUR STANDARD LEVEL OF CARE or YOU TREATED MANGUM DIFFERENTLY. Which is it? Of course, we KNOW the answer: THEY DID NOT BELIEVE HER...but this sets up a situation where either THAT is admitted or DUMC is one god-awful hospital in regard to any real rape victim. Likewise, ask DPD if the questions you pose are standard operating procedure for a criminal investigation of a heinous rape? Yes? No? Either they admit they did not believe Mangum or they are one extremely poor excuse for a police department. Is this how they treat a rape victim Baker says they so ardently believed? I'd love to see them choose how to reply: negligence?, incompetence?..or..well..ahhh...we didn't believe her either. Joan, Doctors and Nurses do not make judgements about quilt or innocence in criminal cases. It is not a case of "believing" Crystal's story. Its a case of evaluating her physicaly and treating any injuries found (there were not any), collecting swabs and clothes for testing at the Lab. They don't make judgments on whether or not a women was raped or her story is true. Crystal was evaluated by three Doctors and clearly none of them found any injury or medical problem to be treated. If they had, they would have treated those injuries. With no physical problem to be treated and Crystal passed out in the hallway on a stretcher, they choose to wait for an Emergency Nurse who happened to be In Training to be a SANE nurse to arrive on duty - to do the checklist, collect the swabs and put them all in the rape kit box. As it turned out the Nurse only did the Check List and a fully qualified, almost completed ED Residency Doctor (thats ten plus years of Doctor Schooling) collected the swabs. I doubt that DUMC will make that decision again but will call in the ON CALL SANE, who can take up to six eight hours to arrive on the scene normally. Its an ON CALL part time job and they arrive when they arrive. The swabs and clothes were sent to SBI and found negative for the Lacrosse Team DNA. The cops do the evaluating of the story and the DA decides whether or not there is a case for indictment. DUMC is not part of the Investigation team for criminal complaints. Most of us have been watching ER for fifteen years and do we ever see the Doc's getting involved with the investigation? They may call in the cops to report a suspected child abuse, etc but in this case, the cops brought Crystal to DUMC. In my opinion, this is the sequence of events KC never understood. Edited by Sherp, Jun 23 2009, 11:59 AM.


20 Questions (from KC) from 2006 · DUKE LACROSSE - Liestoppers