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(r)Rogue Bug; Finishing move extremely weak
Topic Started: Jul 20 2009, 03:17 AM (234 Views)
MrChukklez	Jul 20 2009, 03:17 AM Post #1
Honeyman Posts: 4 Group: Members Member #246 Joined: Jul 10, 2009	(r)Rogue problem My finishing move does the same amount of damage as my normal attacks 1: You hit Broly for 16 damage - [154 left] Enemy missed! 2: You hit Broly for 21 damage - [133 left] 3: Broly hit you for 12 damage - [108 left] 4: You hit Broly for 21 damage - [112 left] 5: Broly hit you for 11 damage - [97 left] Enemy dodges the attack! Enemy missed! 6: You hit Broly for 21 damage - [91 left] 7: Broly hit you for 12 damage - [85 left] 8: You hit Broly for 24 damage - [67 left] 9: Broly hit you for 12 damage - [73 left] 10: You hit Broly for 17 damage - [50 left] Enemy missed! Enemy blocked your attack! 11: Broly hit you for 11 damage - [62 left] 12: You hit Broly for 20 damage - [30 left] 13: Broly hit you for 12 damage - [50 left] 14: You hit Broly for 23 damage - [7 left] You dodged the attack! You missed! 15: Broly hit you for 13 damage - [37 left] 16: You hit Broly with a Finishing Move for 23 damage - [-16 left] If you notice, attack #8 actually did more damage than my finishing move. I'm not sure, but I might have been using a potion at the time and maybe the game doesn't calculate finishing move based on augmented stats. Doesn't seem very fair to Rogues using potions.



forkU	Jul 20 2009, 04:10 AM Post #2
Cavalier Posts: 508 Group: Members Member #88 Joined: Dec 17, 2008	noticed that as well since ive survived many finishing moves this early



Zoid	Jul 20 2009, 04:49 AM Post #3
Coppersmith Posts: 78 Group: Members Member #234 Joined: Jul 1, 2009	One of your attacks was 11. Finishing move does 1.5 times normal damage. Your finishing move could have hit for as low as 17 damage. Remember, the range of damage is pretty large. Your finishing move would have been a normal hit of 15, which is perfectly reasonable.



forkU	Jul 20 2009, 05:28 AM Post #4
Cavalier Posts: 508 Group: Members Member #88 Joined: Dec 17, 2008	actually that was broly lol



Broly	Jul 20 2009, 11:48 AM Post #5
Supplier Posts: 458 Group: Game Helpers Member #7 Joined: Nov 26, 2008	flame killed me lol



MrChukklez	Jul 20 2009, 08:51 PM Post #6
Honeyman Posts: 4 Group: Members Member #246 Joined: Jul 10, 2009	My lowest hit was 16, I don't know what you mean I hit for 11... Do you think my potion theory is right? Edited by MrChukklez, Jul 20 2009, 08:53 PM.



Mhuahaha	Jul 20 2009, 08:57 PM Post #7
Herder Posts: 2,712 Group: Forum Admins Member #1 Joined: Nov 21, 2008	What is your damage range?
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Xclusive	Jul 20 2009, 09:52 PM Post #8
Moneylender Posts: 140 Group: Members Member #137 Joined: Feb 12, 2009	If you would hit 16, you would also have the possibility to hit 15 I guess 15 x 1,5 (FM) = 22,5 = 23. So, it is reasonable to let your FM be only 23, lower then other hits like 24, Although, your FM could also been 24 x 1,5 = 36, which is quite a difference.



Zoid	Jul 20 2009, 09:58 PM Post #9
Coppersmith Posts: 78 Group: Members Member #234 Joined: Jul 1, 2009	MrChukklez Jul 20 2009, 08:51 PM My lowest hit was 16, I don't know what you mean I hit for 11... Do you think my potion theory is right? No, your potion theory is not right. The finishing move does 1.5 times what a normal hit would do. So if your normal attack was going to do 10 damage, the FM would do 15. I read the battle log incorrectly and thought Broly's attack was yours, but still, 16*1.5=24, right about what your finishing move hit for. Also note on this battle you do not have a large range of damage, as you should, so it's likely that you didn't hit the minimum. Your finishing move should be capable of lower damage than shown. In short, everything is fine.



[NL]Freak	Jul 20 2009, 10:11 PM Post #10
Bookkeeper Posts: 1,420 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: Nov 27, 2008	there is one other bug or glitch whatever yuo wanna call it, once you hit like lvl 40 you can do like 3 fm's at the end of a battle.. i think it should be limited to one FM per battle..?
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MrChukklez	Jul 28 2009, 03:58 AM Post #11
Honeyman Posts: 4 Group: Members Member #246 Joined: Jul 10, 2009	Well even if having a weak FM is normal it's completely retarded.



[NL]Freak	Jul 29 2009, 10:03 AM Post #12
Bookkeeper Posts: 1,420 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: Nov 27, 2008	agreed, why call it a FM, when it doesnt finish anything:P i think its gotta be more consistent
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Zoid	Jul 29 2009, 07:26 PM Post #13
Coppersmith Posts: 78 Group: Members Member #234 Joined: Jul 1, 2009	This is a really stupid discussion. It hits for 1.5 times whatever the hit would be, so if you get unlucky and get a hit for 4 damage, the FM will only do 6. It's just basically a guaranteed critical strike when your opponent is below 15% health (weak crit for FM, strong crit for MFM).



Mhuahaha	Jul 29 2009, 11:58 PM Post #14
Herder Posts: 2,712 Group: Forum Admins Member #1 Joined: Nov 21, 2008	Zoid Jul 29 2009, 07:26 PM This is a really stupid discussion. I'd have to disagree there. I've seen even the stupidiest discussions turn into a good one. Who knows, maybe someone will get a great idea about what to do with the unpopular and infamous FM thanks to this thread. Doubt it, but you'll never know.
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Xclusive	Sep 3 2009, 12:57 PM Post #15
Moneylender Posts: 140 Group: Members Member #137 Joined: Feb 12, 2009	Mhuahaha Jul 29 2009, 11:58 PM Zoid Jul 29 2009, 07:26 PM This is a really stupid discussion. I'd have to disagree there. I've seen even the stupidiest discussions turn into a good one. Who knows, maybe someone will get a great idea about what to do with the unpopular and infamous FM thanks to this thread. Doubt it, but you'll never know. Delete it?



[NL]Freak	Sep 4 2009, 08:15 AM Post #16
Bookkeeper Posts: 1,420 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: Nov 27, 2008	dont delete it we gotta SEROIUSLLY fine tune this.. #1 get rid of the anoying double FM later on in the round. #2 make sure an FM! is an FM not just a hit. i mean why call it finishing move if it doest finish anything.
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Zoid	Sep 7 2009, 11:48 PM Post #17
Coppersmith Posts: 78 Group: Members Member #234 Joined: Jul 1, 2009	[NL Freak,Sep 4 2009, 08:15 AM] #2 make sure an FM! is an FM not just a hit. i mean why call it finishing move if it doest finish anything. This is why I said it was a stupid discussion. It's not a bad idea to look at it and see what needs tweaking, but this is a discussion of nomenclature at the expense of class balance. Perhaps it should not be called a "finishing move" if it doesn't automatically finish someone, but the ability itself is doing exactly what it is intended to do. If it is not working as intended, yosh will hopefully fix it.



Xclusive	Sep 9 2009, 03:22 PM Post #18
Moneylender Posts: 140 Group: Members Member #137 Joined: Feb 12, 2009	If you want to make it a finishing move, that actually finishes something it is getting overpowered, and that is exactly what we NOT want. So, I have a small idea about how it should be more correctly. Make the finishing move 1,1x damage + level Which will mean the range of your normal hits is 15-25 (for example) and your level 10, you will get following results Lowest hit : 15 x 1,1 + 10 = 22,5 + 5 = 27 old system : 23. Highest hit : 25 x 1,1 + 10 = 37,5 + 5 = 38 old system : 38. In this case your lowest FM would still be higher then your Highest hit. Now, let's say your level 40. I don't remember what hits would be around then but say it varies from 40-60. Lowest hit : 40 x 1,1 + 40 = 84 old system : 60. Highest hit : 60 x 1,1 + 40 = 106 old system : 90. I will take out a bit of the randomness, and the lowest FM will be higher then the highest normal hit, something LOTS of people seem to want. It doesn't overpower it, although how further in game how stronger it will get (That would give new tactics, rogue will go for strenght easier then), if you narrow down the unlimited FM's to only 1 on the end, it doesn't finish it, but it will take out the 3 FM's, and then the FM might get a little bit stronger to. I probably made some mistakes, and the numbers are wrong anyway, and i'm just throwing in an idea, I'm sure it could be done better but i'm to lazy to think about something.



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(r)Rogue Bug; Finishing move extremely weak

Topic Started: Jul 20 2009, 03:17 AM (234 Views)

MrChukklez

Jul 20 2009, 03:17 AM Post #1

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(r)Rogue problem
My finishing move does the same amount of damage as my normal attacks

1: You hit Broly for 16 damage - [154 left]
Enemy missed!
2: You hit Broly for 21 damage - [133 left]
3: Broly hit you for 12 damage - [108 left]
4: You hit Broly for 21 damage - [112 left]
5: Broly hit you for 11 damage - [97 left]
Enemy dodges the attack!
Enemy missed!
6: You hit Broly for 21 damage - [91 left]
7: Broly hit you for 12 damage - [85 left]
8: You hit Broly for 24 damage - [67 left]
9: Broly hit you for 12 damage - [73 left]
10: You hit Broly for 17 damage - [50 left]
Enemy missed!
Enemy blocked your attack!
11: Broly hit you for 11 damage - [62 left]
12: You hit Broly for 20 damage - [30 left]
13: Broly hit you for 12 damage - [50 left]
14: You hit Broly for 23 damage - [7 left]
You dodged the attack!
You missed!
15: Broly hit you for 13 damage - [37 left]
16: You hit Broly with a Finishing Move for 23 damage - [-16 left]

If you notice, attack #8 actually did more damage than my finishing move. I'm not sure, but I might have been using a potion at the time and maybe the game doesn't calculate finishing move based on augmented stats. Doesn't seem very fair to Rogues using potions.

forkU

Jul 20 2009, 04:10 AM Post #2

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noticed that as well since ive survived many finishing moves this early

Zoid

Jul 20 2009, 04:49 AM Post #3

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One of your attacks was 11. Finishing move does 1.5 times normal damage. Your finishing move could have hit for as low as 17 damage. Remember, the range of damage is pretty large. Your finishing move would have been a normal hit of 15, which is perfectly reasonable.

forkU

Jul 20 2009, 05:28 AM Post #4

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actually that was broly lol

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flame killed me lol

MrChukklez

Jul 20 2009, 08:51 PM Post #6

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My lowest hit was 16, I don't know what you mean I hit for 11... Do you think my potion theory is right?

Edited by MrChukklez, Jul 20 2009, 08:53 PM.

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Jul 20 2009, 08:57 PM Post #7

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What is your damage range?

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Jul 20 2009, 09:52 PM Post #8

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If you would hit 16, you would also have the possibility to hit 15 I guess

15 x 1,5 (FM) = 22,5 = 23.

So, it is reasonable to let your FM be only 23, lower then other hits like 24,
Although, your FM could also been
24 x 1,5 = 36, which is quite a difference.

Zoid

Jul 20 2009, 09:58 PM Post #9

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MrChukklez
Jul 20 2009, 08:51 PM
My lowest hit was 16, I don't know what you mean I hit for 11... Do you think my potion theory is right?

No, your potion theory is not right.

The finishing move does 1.5 times what a normal hit would do. So if your normal attack was going to do 10 damage, the FM would do 15. I read the battle log incorrectly and thought Broly's attack was yours, but still, 16*1.5=24, right about what your finishing move hit for.

Also note on this battle you do not have a large range of damage, as you should, so it's likely that you didn't hit the minimum. Your finishing move should be capable of lower damage than shown.

In short, everything is fine.

[NL]Freak

Jul 20 2009, 10:11 PM Post #10

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there is one other bug or glitch whatever yuo wanna call it, once you hit like lvl 40 you can do like 3 fm's at the end of a battle.. i think it should be limited to one FM per battle..?

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MrChukklez

Jul 28 2009, 03:58 AM Post #11

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Well even if having a weak FM is normal it's completely retarded.

[NL]Freak

Jul 29 2009, 10:03 AM Post #12

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agreed, why call it a FM, when it doesnt finish anything:P i think its gotta be more consistent

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Zoid

Jul 29 2009, 07:26 PM Post #13

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This is a really stupid discussion. It hits for 1.5 times whatever the hit would be, so if you get unlucky and get a hit for 4 damage, the FM will only do 6. It's just basically a guaranteed critical strike when your opponent is below 15% health (weak crit for FM, strong crit for MFM).

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Jul 29 2009, 07:26 PM
This is a really stupid discussion.

I'd have to disagree there. I've seen even the stupidiest discussions turn into a good one. Who knows, maybe someone will get a great idea about what to do with the unpopular and infamous FM thanks to this thread. Doubt it, but you'll never know.

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Sep 3 2009, 12:57 PM Post #15

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Jul 29 2009, 11:58 PM
Zoid
Jul 29 2009, 07:26 PM
This is a really stupid discussion.
I'd have to disagree there. I've seen even the stupidiest discussions turn into a good one. Who knows, maybe someone will get a great idea about what to do with the unpopular and infamous FM thanks to this thread. Doubt it, but you'll never know.

Delete it?

[NL]Freak

Sep 4 2009, 08:15 AM Post #16

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dont delete it we gotta SEROIUSLLY fine tune this..

#1 get rid of the anoying double FM later on in the round.
#2 make sure an FM! is an FM not just a hit. i mean why call it finishing move if it doest finish anything.

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Zoid

Sep 7 2009, 11:48 PM Post #17

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Freak,Sep 4 2009, 08:15 AM]
#2 make sure an FM! is an FM not just a hit. i mean why call it finishing move if it doest finish anything.

This is why I said it was a stupid discussion. It's not a bad idea to look at it and see what needs tweaking, but this is a discussion of nomenclature at the expense of class balance.

Perhaps it should not be called a "finishing move" if it doesn't automatically finish someone, but the ability itself is doing exactly what it is intended to do. If it is not working as intended, yosh will hopefully fix it.

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Sep 9 2009, 03:22 PM Post #18

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If you want to make it a finishing move, that actually finishes something it is getting overpowered, and that is exactly what we NOT want.

So, I have a small idea about how it should be more correctly. Make the finishing move 1,1x damage + level
Which will mean the range of your normal hits is 15-25 (for example) and your level 10, you will get following results
Lowest hit : 15 x 1,1 + 10 = 22,5 + 5 = 27 old system : 23.
Highest hit : 25 x 1,1 + 10 = 37,5 + 5 = 38 old system : 38.
In this case your lowest FM would still be higher then your Highest hit.

Now, let's say your level 40. I don't remember what hits would be around then but say it varies from 40-60.
Lowest hit : 40 x 1,1 + 40 = 84 old system : 60.
Highest hit : 60 x 1,1 + 40 = 106 old system : 90.

I will take out a bit of the randomness, and the lowest FM will be higher then the highest normal hit, something LOTS of people seem to want. It doesn't overpower it, although how further in game how stronger it will get (That would give new tactics, rogue will go for strenght easier then), if you narrow down the unlimited FM's to only 1 on the end, it doesn't finish it, but it will take out the 3 FM's, and then the FM might get a little bit stronger to.

I probably made some mistakes, and the numbers are wrong anyway, and i'm just throwing in an idea, I'm sure it could be done better but i'm to lazy to think about something.

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