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Gi: "It's love" :wub: :wub:
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Maybe she's scared of the idea, the process. Financial aspect too..
Or maybe she's scared of losing the custody over her son no matter what Nando said. ;)

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I don't think they'll go into battle for custody, but I would like to see is Cadu changing his ideas, views, leaving his prejudices. I would really like to see this Cadu's transformation to a point of him acknowledging that two women could actually be in love with each other and are capable of providing everything a child needs. Educating Cadu (thank you Nando) and other that share his views (thank you Giselle) is crucial IMHO. Cadu is like a majority of the audience watching this soap, educating him you educate them. Not making him unlikeable, but making him change his biggot mind. Education is everything. :)
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Gi: "It's love" :wub: :wub:
What is this quote from?
http://globotv.globo.com/rede-globo/em-familia/t/cenas/v/branca-pergunta-a-giselle-se-marina-esta-assediando-clara/3296133/

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So we should aim at those 2... if we get them up, we can go to the others... what do you think?

Anyone here has a way to talk to the facebook page or twitter or boteco? and give them this idea? We need all help!
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Clara sofre ao ouvir Marina dizer que precisa se afastar

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So we should aim at those 2... if we get them up, we can go to the others... what do you think?

Anyone here has a way to talk to the facebook page or twitter or boteco? and give them this idea? We need all help!
But also the one in 20th so it goes up too
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Gi: "It's love" :wub: :wub:
What is this quote from?
http://globotv.globo.com/rede-globo/em-familia/t/cenas/v/branca-pergunta-a-giselle-se-marina-esta-assediando-clara/3296133/

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Da, aww I love the way Giselle defends her cousin. And I love how someone finally calls Clara gay, I'm looking at you White snake.
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I don't know. But maybe you should clean cookies and history after every visualization...
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does anyone know how they count views? by IP address or by number of views?
I don't know. But maybe you should clean cookies and history after every visualization...
if its by views, I have a way of increasing the views but not sure if you girls are up for it...
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OMG I just found out something. By leafing through a tv program magazine. I know there are a lot of frenchies around here, hey girls did you have any idea we can watch Giovanna on OUR french TV? :wub: lmao I was SO surprised to see that but France Ô is airing The clone on afternoons!! I knew France Ô tends to air some mexican or spanish shows, had no idea they did brazilian too! Now they need to buy Em Familia!! :P

So unexpected lol, I need to catch it one day :D (I'm sure her french voice will be awful though :lol: )
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Maybe she's scared of the idea, the process. Financial aspect too..
Or maybe she's scared of losing the custody over her son no matter what Nando said. ;)

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I don't think they'll go into battle for custody, but I would like to see is Cadu changing his ideas, views, leaving his prejudices. I would really like to see this Cadu's transformation to a point of him acknowledging that two women could actually be in love with each other and are capable of providing everything a child needs. Educating Cadu (thank you Nando) and other that share his views (thank you Giselle) is crucial IMHO. Cadu is like a majority of the audience watching this soap, educating him you educate them. Not making him unlikeable, but making him change his biggot mind. Education is everything. :)
Like what you said about Cadu.
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I think that is exactly it. You can almost compare all this to Sesame Street for grown ups, as in, they teach kids about right and wrong, basic things in life.

The audience here already has a fixed idea on what right and wrong is, the difference is, that idea is based on previous times. Times have changed though, and right and wrong has changed. 200 years ago the idea of women voting and having any say in things was outrageous. It took a long hard battle to change that around, but over time, people changed their views and the younger generations grew up believing in the 'new and improved' version.

That's what's happening here too. The younger generation and the open minded people in the older generations now banded together to get this new idea in people's minds that homosexuality isn't evil. In fact it's been around for a very long time and it's very normal at that. Not only are they giving hints like this in the story itself, but also the actors, even the ones not directly involved in the story line, are giving their support outside of the soap. Not the characters giving support, but the actors, the ones with a voice cause people look up to them. For example the actress that plays Sylvia, she gave her support on Twitter. Even Reynaldo, the guy who's losing his wife in the show, he publicly supported the story line. That kind of stuff matters.

When it comes to hints in the show, Clara is scared she'll lose her son's custody cause Cadu threatened he'd fight for it. Even though by law that may or may not be possible, she doesn't know that and the thought alone naturally scares her. Even though Cadu and Clara are on sort of friendly terms at the moment, he's still knows that his wife is still very much in love with Marina and the problem itself isn't going anywhere. They want the audience to realize this so the nay-sayers see a Clarina reunion coming, instead of thinking 'but they were getting along!'

So he asks Nando about it. He can see the divorce coming, maybe it will, maybe it won't, but he can sense the problem still exists and he wants to cover his angles. It's an understandable thing to do in Cadu's case. he wants to know his options, I don't really blame him when you look at it from his perspective. In his view two women can't really be in love, but Nando is the Sesame Street wise man who tells him: 'It is possible, they can fall in love, this won't hurt the child, this is not a reason to take custody from a mother.' He just says it in different words. He's not just telling Cadu, he's telling everyone watching that this is not a horrible thing and it certainly isn't a reason to separate mother and son.

Same with the Giselle/Branca scene. Giselle makes sure to point out Marina is not a hunter, she's in love. And probably so is Clara. She also makes sure her mother knows that in her opinion this cannot be used as a weapon against Chica. It's wrong. Love can't be used as a weapon, it should never be used as a weapon, cause love isn't something you choose. it's something that happens to you.

Marina may have been portrayed as somewhat of a predator in the beginning, going all in, trying to get Clara. When they went to Angra she told Vanessa she was hoping for more to happen. More being sex. As the story progressed and Marina realized she wasn't just in love and Clara was the one, it stopped being about sex, it started being about wanting to be together. Her whole demeanor changed, she stopped ordering Clara around like 'you're coming for dinner' etc, instead of wanting Clara to spend time with her because Marina wanted it, she wanted Clara to spend time with her because Clara wanted it. She wasn't a conquest, she was an equal, someone she highly respected and genuinely wanted her to respect her back. So her whole attitude changed.

Scene at the beach with Helena, Helena asks how she and Cadu are doing. She says they are doing better. No funky grin, nothing. Just a slight smile. They were fighting before. They aren't fighting all the time now. They're doing better and she is happy about it. When Helena asks about Marina, they are doing better too, and a huge naughty smile appears. They were already doing good, there was no fighting. The better refers to the romantic aspect, that's doing better. They just shared a huge romantic and intimate kiss that got Clara's hormones to fire up.

Even though the conversation between them was about Cadu and Marina both, when Helena goes to get a drink, it's Marina that Clara is thinking about. It her she sends a wonderful loving text, has the cutest phone conversation with. At the same time they show Marina at home, waiting patiently for news, being totally ecstatic when she receives it, bouncing up and down in her bed when she sees it's a message from Clara. Every housewife remembers what it was like to be in love as a teenager, how they bounced up and down when their crush acknowledged them. They can see that Marina is totally in love, they can see Clara is totally in love too.

It's exactly like a lot of you have already said here, it's educating. Love between women is possible, it's happening. It's not an evil thing. It's not anything that can decide custody over a child, Cadu is being educated along with the audience. I suspect he will come to terms with this at one point. Will be a while, sure, but he will see it. He will see it's just the way it is and that he didn't lose his wife specifically to another woman, he will see he lost his wife cause she loved someone else more than him. The fact that it's a woman, doesn't matter. Him accepting this will be crucial. If Cadu can accept it, so should the audience.

Nando's conversation with him was crucial. Giselle's conversation the same. Branca represents the housewife, the one who still thinks this is a scandal, something to hold on to, something to use as a weapon. Giselle represents the voice of reason, not only telling her it's love, but also scolding her mother about how you can't use love as a weapon. The whole audience can see that Branca is one to stir up trouble, she uses stuff to her advantage. Her 'ways' are evil and the audience is being given a message that using this love as a weapon is evil too. it's not right. Giselle stands up for her friends, the people she cares about. She's not just standing up for Marina here, she's standing up for her new step-sister Clara, also for the woman her father has fallen in love with, Chica. She cares about them. It's a textbook example of 'the good and the bad guy'. Using Clara and Marina as a weapon, only the bad guy would do. That's the real scandal.

That's what the soap is slowly working towards. They show nothing but affection and happy faces when Clara and Marina are together. They show friendship but not passion, when Clara and Cadu are together. They want the audience to see the real relationships here and that it's ok to be divorced, as long as you can all respect each other still.

Helena represents the conservative housewife as well, don't leave your husband, how would he feel? Choose your family, forget yourself. She chose her family a long time ago, she married not for herself, but for other people. She had this idea that that was what she was supposed to do back then. She too will change her view, she will see that choosing to forget about your own happiness is silly. Choosing unhappiness, being a dutiful housewife, those ideas are in the past. She too will see, 'Clara should choose happiness.' And with her, the housewife will relate.

I realize much of what I said has been said before, this is just me agreeing with it in my own words :) No matter what spoiler they throw at us, it's all part of the wonderful buildup not only towards 'Clarina', but towards making the audience see. There is no doubt in my mind and there hasn't been in a long time that this is what they are doing. Any spoiler that seems meh for us (Cadu and Clara have sex, Marina and Vanessa maybe sex, renewing vows, ring, whatever), it all a brilliant laid out plan to change the mind of a generation that was taught to disagree with this. They are being re-educated, they are being shown that it's ok to be gay, that as long as there is true love involved, you have to follow your heart. They are taught that the scandal isn't a lesbian relationship, the scandal is choosing an unhappy life.

That takes time. I am very happy the writers and the makers of the show saw the importance of that and decided to take all the time they needed, because they saw the huge relevance in this message and to it's audience. It's truly groundbreaking and they deserve all the props.

We shouldn't boycott anything, we shouldn't give them negative feedback. We should praise them for doing this exactly the way we need them to.
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Maybe she's scared of the idea, the process. Financial aspect too..
Or maybe she's scared of losing the custody over her son no matter what Nando said. ;)

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I don't think they'll go into battle for custody, but I would like to see is Cadu changing his ideas, views, leaving his prejudices. I would really like to see this Cadu's transformation to a point of him acknowledging that two women could actually be in love with each other and are capable of providing everything a child needs. Educating Cadu (thank you Nando) and other that share his views (thank you Giselle) is crucial IMHO. Cadu is like a majority of the audience watching this soap, educating him you educate them. Not making him unlikeable, but making him change his biggot mind. Education is everything. :)
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It's just some speculation without anything new about how they'll show Marina's love is the real thing and Clara isn't just a prize to her.
I think they've been doing that for weeks now.
I wish we'd have articles from the usual legit sources of what's the plan.
For the next couple of weeks it looks like the idea is to show Clara trying to work it with Cadu but being jealous of Vanessa at the same time.
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I'm sure they'll have Cadu turn around when it come to his opinion of Marina and the relationship. By the end of the novela everyone will get along and be friends, that's how Maneco does it. He opens the eyes of the characters. Cadu will accept Marina into Ivan't life. I think good scenes will come out of it.
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I'm sure they'll have Cadu turn around when it come to his opinion of Marina and the relationship. By the end of the novela everyone will get along and be friends, that's how Maneco does it. He opens the eyes of the characters. Cadu will accept Marina into Ivan't life. I think good scenes will come out of it.
Fairytale ending indeed.
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Does anyone know how to take the subtitle files from the dailymotion video's?
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I'm sure they'll have Cadu turn around when it come to his opinion of Marina and the relationship. By the end of the novela everyone will get along and be friends, that's how Maneco does it. He opens the eyes of the characters. Cadu will accept Marina into Ivan't life. I think good scenes will come out of it.
Fairytale ending indeed.
But it really will be. Everyone gets together in the end, even character's like Branca or Shirley get good endings.
In Clarina's case, they can even be shown with a baby. Everything is a fairytale.
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I'm gonna go to bed now, early morning for me, but a little request. Could someone post a translation of this scene for me? It's from way in the beginning, after the exposition where Clara meets Marina. She's already swooning over her as far as I can tell. Would love to hear what she says.

http://globotv.globo.com/rede-globo/em-familia/t/cenas/v/clara-conversa-com-cadu-sobre-marina/3146962/

Thanks, whoever is so kind to do so :)

Goodnight darlings, see you tomorrow, have fun with the episode :P I'll catch it tomorrow :kiss:
Clara: Cadu! Hey, are you sleeping?
Cadu: Almost. What is it?.
Clara: Nothing, really, it's stupid.
Cadu: Can't you sleep?
Clara: I'm here thinking of what must have happened at that party. Why did she faint?
Cadu: An artist being fussy.
Clara: No. It must be something. You know what I heard from one of the guests? She could be pregnant.
Cadu: Could it be? If she was we couldn't tell.
Clara: Ah, but it could be. Poor her, lets hope it's not anything serious. I loved the exhibition! I thought Marina was divine! I loved the party. Too bad it ended when it was starting. I thought I would do everything, dance... Cadu, I drank half a bottle of champgne! And here I am all good. Mummy, mum hadn't drunk in years and she also drank.
Cadu: And I can only think of the risotto that I missed by going to that exhibition, that dinner in which I didn't even eat. Goodnight.
Thank you darling :hug:
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I'm sure they'll have Cadu turn around when it come to his opinion of Marina and the relationship. By the end of the novela everyone will get along and be friends, that's how Maneco does it. He opens the eyes of the characters. Cadu will accept Marina into Ivan't life. I think good scenes will come out of it.
Fairytale ending indeed.
But it really will be. Everyone gets together in the end, even character's like Branca or Shirley get good endings.
In Clarina's case, they can even be shown with a baby. Everything is a fairytale.
:lol: Maybe to Maneco. But no, not everything is a fairytale.
I'd love to see what fairytale ending they will give to this storyline.
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But it really will be. Everyone gets together in the end, even character's like Branca or Shirley get good endings.
In Clarina's case, they can even be shown with a baby. Everything is a fairytale.
:lol: Maybe to Maneco. But no, not everything is a fairytale.
I'd love to see what fairytale ending they will give to this storyline.
lol yeah, I meant that's how Maneco ends his stories.
With Marina and Clara, they'd have the support of everyone, they'd get together, married and have children. And they'd keep having success in photography
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:lol: Maybe to Maneco. But no, not everything is a fairytale.
I'd love to see what fairytale ending they will give to this storyline.
lol yeah, I meant that's how Maneco ends his stories.
With Marina and Clara, they'd have the support of everyone, they'd get together, married and have children. And they'd keep having success in photography
:lol: That's too Disney-ish.
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lol yeah, I meant that's how Maneco ends his stories.
With Marina and Clara, they'd have the support of everyone, they'd get together, married and have children. And they'd keep having success in photography
:lol: That's too Disney-ish.
That's Maneco-ish LOL
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:lol: That's too Disney-ish.
That's Maneco-ish LOL
:rofl: Maybe Walt is Maneco's hero.
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lol yeah, I meant that's how Maneco ends his stories.
With Marina and Clara, they'd have the support of everyone, they'd get together, married and have children. And they'd keep having success in photography
:lol: That's too Disney-ish.
Disney style can be gay ;)
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I don't think they'll go into battle for custody, but I would like to see is Cadu changing his ideas, views, leaving his prejudices. I would really like to see this Cadu's transformation to a point of him acknowledging that two women could actually be in love with each other and are capable of providing everything a child needs. Educating Cadu (thank you Nando) and other that share his views (thank you Giselle) is crucial IMHO. Cadu is like a majority of the audience watching this soap, educating him you educate them. Not making him unlikeable, but making him change his biggot mind. Education is everything. :)
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You think he is?
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:rofl: Yeah. Let it go.
Looking forward to a gay queen with children. That would represent women like Clara.
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I don't think they'll go into battle for custody, but I would like to see is Cadu changing his ideas, views, leaving his prejudices. I would really like to see this Cadu's transformation to a point of him acknowledging that two women could actually be in love with each other and are capable of providing everything a child needs. Educating Cadu (thank you Nando) and other that share his views (thank you Giselle) is crucial IMHO. Cadu is like a majority of the audience watching this soap, educating him you educate them. Not making him unlikeable, but making him change his biggot mind. Education is everything. :)
You think he's not educated enough?
You think he is?
I do. It's just that he doesn't always wear it.
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Today is suposed to air the first scene of Clarina here in Portugal :lol:
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Today is suposed to air the first scene of Clarina here in Portugal :lol:
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