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Mexico; WTF?!
Topic Started: May 14 2012, 10:45 PM (2,369 Views)
Guest	May 16 2012, 05:30 AM Post #106
Unregistered	Colombia used to be like this, what happened, how did they solve the problem?
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Guest	May 16 2012, 06:10 AM Post #107
Unregistered	Guest May 16 2012, 05:30 AM Colombia used to be like this, what happened, how did they solve the problem? "used"? more like "still is"
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Guest	May 16 2012, 06:13 AM Post #108
Unregistered	Guest May 16 2012, 06:10 AM Guest May 16 2012, 05:30 AM Colombia used to be like this, what happened, how did they solve the problem? "used"? more like "still is" really? i thought they were over with it?= damn....
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Guest	May 16 2012, 08:03 AM Post #109
Unregistered	Guest May 14 2012, 10:56 PM Guest May 14 2012, 10:45 PM What's going on down there? I hope if there are chicks posting from there that they remain safe. Watching the news this & they just reported that 49 bodies were found dumped on the side of the highway. All decapitated and their hands & feet cut off! This is some scary shit! IMHO: these stuff happens in the whole world all the time but they're not as heavily reported; what happens is that the world media is right now very focused on it and stresses the problem because of a number of reasons, in this case related to their relation to the U.S.A. I can assure you if this were happening in the middle of some geopolitical irrelevant arena it would be nowhere as overly reported and spoken about in told such a sensationalist way. (Not to undermime what is happening though) This reminds me of some of the points that were recently brought up in some threads about the way the holocaust is over represented in daily discourse in comparisson to other catastrophies in humanity. We always should take into consideration all the diverse factors and underlying political and economical interests that influence social discourse, what is said, in what frequency, in what way it's said, etc etc. Just my thought =) You are in denial. The drug cartels are slaughtering anyone who stands up to them, but you want to cover it up. Why? Was there incest and alcoholism in your family, and were you forced to deny that? You don't have to spend your life lying to protect bad people. Get some help, learn that it's okay to see and to tell what you see. Here is what's going on in Mexico: the drug cartels are fighting over turf, they have a lot of power in the government, innocent people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time, or who oppose the drug cartels, are killed as a lesson to the others. And you need therapy.
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Guest	May 16 2012, 10:27 AM Post #110
Unregistered	Guest May 16 2012, 08:03 AM Guest May 14 2012, 10:56 PM Guest May 14 2012, 10:45 PM What's going on down there? I hope if there are chicks posting from there that they remain safe. Watching the news this & they just reported that 49 bodies were found dumped on the side of the highway. All decapitated and their hands & feet cut off! This is some scary shit! IMHO: these stuff happens in the whole world all the time but they're not as heavily reported; what happens is that the world media is right now very focused on it and stresses the problem because of a number of reasons, in this case related to their relation to the U.S.A. I can assure you if this were happening in the middle of some geopolitical irrelevant arena it would be nowhere as overly reported and spoken about in told such a sensationalist way. (Not to undermime what is happening though) This reminds me of some of the points that were recently brought up in some threads about the way the holocaust is over represented in daily discourse in comparisson to other catastrophies in humanity. We always should take into consideration all the diverse factors and underlying political and economical interests that influence social discourse, what is said, in what frequency, in what way it's said, etc etc. Just my thought =) You are in denial. The drug cartels are slaughtering anyone who stands up to them, but you want to cover it up. Why? Was there incest and alcoholism in your family, and were you forced to deny that? You don't have to spend your life lying to protect bad people. Get some help, learn that it's okay to see and to tell what you see. Here is what's going on in Mexico: the drug cartels are fighting over turf, they have a lot of power in the government, innocent people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time, or who oppose the drug cartels, are killed as a lesson to the others. And you need therapy. Maybe we do need the death penalty?
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Guest	May 16 2012, 10:49 AM Post #111
Unregistered	Quote: "Maybe we do need the death penalty?" _____________ Wow, you really are sick, aren't you. If someone calls you out on the internet for making excuses for murderous drug cartels, you suggest the death penalty because I disagreed with you. You are a really sick bitch. Please get some help.
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Guest	May 16 2012, 10:54 AM Post #112
Unregistered	Guest May 16 2012, 06:13 AM Guest May 16 2012, 06:10 AM Guest May 16 2012, 05:30 AM Colombia used to be like this, what happened, how did they solve the problem? "used"? more like "still is" really? i thought they were over with it?= damn.... After the Colombian Cali and Medellin cartel was effectively destroyed, the Mexican gangs seized the drug business.
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Guest	May 17 2012, 04:17 AM Post #113
Unregistered	Guest May 15 2012, 01:25 AM Guest May 14 2012, 11:19 PM Guest May 14 2012, 11:07 PM Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Bb you misread my post, what I meant about geopolitical arena was quite the opposite, I meant that it IS relevant and it is actually a key spot due to many things mainly their location and relationship with the US of A! And it is actually because of that that this whole mess is happening rn. So everything that happens in the world is to be blamed on the USA????? Im so tired of hearing this shit and I'm not even American by birth. Lame excuses. It´s not a lame excuse it´s a reality, of course the really unfair thing would be to ignore that behind the usa there´re the british royal, Israel and the Rothshield. I´m a mexican academic and as far as I know washingtoncontrols through the CIA the mexican drug war in their benefit with the help of the political class.
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Guest	May 17 2012, 04:24 AM Post #114
Unregistered	Guest May 16 2012, 01:59 AM It's Fast And Furious - Allowing certain drug cartels to ship drugs into US, while shipping guns to Mexico to help these cartels battle their competition, and using the hegelian dialectec - creating the violence along the border and in relation to these drug cartels in order to demonize the 2nd amendment to change state laws to give the federal government more control. If involves corrupt politicians, money laundering banks, FBI, ATF, DEA, and ICE. Preach, I hate the "american exceptionalism" and the lack of responsability over their crimes.
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Guest	May 17 2012, 05:34 AM Post #115
Unregistered	Guest May 17 2012, 04:17 AM Guest May 15 2012, 01:25 AM Guest May 14 2012, 11:19 PM Quoting limited to 3 levels deep So everything that happens in the world is to be blamed on the USA????? Im so tired of hearing this shit and I'm not even American by birth. Lame excuses. It´s not a lame excuse it´s a reality, of course the really unfair thing would be to ignore that behind the usa there´re the british royal, Israel and the Rothshield. I´m a mexican academic and as far as I know washingtoncontrols through the CIA the mexican drug war in their benefit with the help of the political class. Look, in the end it is the people of Mexico that have a responsibility to change their society. The USA is always the biggest whipping boy for Mexicans. They live in a sovereign and democratic society and can change it anytime they want. I wonder if it ever occurs to these people that this attitude only benefits the elites in their own country? You are being exploited by people in your own country not the US. As far as the CIA, British royals, and Israel, that is total nonsense.
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Guest	May 17 2012, 10:18 AM Post #116
Unregistered	anyone who thinks the situation is exaggerated is in serious denial. Since the President declared serious war on the cartels about 5-6 years ago, including sending in the army, the violence has escalated. Its like the Cartels are sending a message to the govt and community. The govt is focused on destroying the more powerful cartels but with the huge demand for drugs (yes mainly from US), once there is a void or weakening of a cartel, there are plenty others fighting to fill the hierarchy and take the drug routes/territories. So more violence ensues. There's heaps of stories of civilians being killed in gruesome ways to set an example. And sometimes the higher profile or higher the outrage the better. There was a rising star male singer who was killed because media mentioned he was getting more famous then a certain cartel. Another young actress was raped by a gang because she said something about drugs in Mexico. A police officer who was badly wounded whilst doing a drug bust was hospitalised and the cartel sent their people to the hospital and killed him in the hospital. There are stories where warring cartels compete to outdo each other in cruelty and violence to establish reputations the line between police, govt and cartel are blurred. Who can the ordinary people trust ? reminds me of the era when China was bent on opium and the high pressure demand for it from the british/americans/french etc. The monarchy was in on it with the foreigners, and in the end a few generations of people were lost to addiction, it weakened their country for years to come and they paid for it in poverty, starvation, civil war when the monarchy collapsed, helplessness against the Japanese and giving away Hong Kong. Mexico is dreaming if they think someone is going to step in the save them. I believe the only way out is for the everyday Mexican to wake up what this is doing to them and their country's future and to bite the bullet - no matter the repercussions and danger to themselves/family. The only way is if ALL the civilians/innocents/real law enforcers unite, make a stand, look out for each other and see it through - they can only win by outlasting
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Guest	May 17 2012, 10:22 AM Post #117
Unregistered	how to solve it... LEGALIZE WEED
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Guest	May 17 2012, 10:53 AM Post #118
Unregistered	Guest May 15 2012, 04:33 PM Just a question, and I mean no offense, but I'm not sure how else to word it. With all the murders going on in Mexico, how come no one is organizing rallies, petitions and etc for the government to take stronger action? I remember when the illegal immigrants from Mexico rallied at my school for change and walked three blocks demanding change, but (maybe the t.v. doesn't show it) how come those who are in Mexico don't do that? Are they afraid? Do you think there is a possibility of cartels shooting protesters? wow you really have no idea whats going on some people have marched but most people are afraid why? well 49 headless handless and footless bodies speak volumes also our goverments doesnt gives 2 shits about what the people wants or need, not like they can do much, their bright idea of putting the army in the streets? they kill and rape almost as much as criminals, the biggest wound I've gotten from a shooting between gangs was a broken lip while running away, while the soldiers pointed a gun at my head and stole my stuff, so you cant trust anyone rallies? petitions? lol maybe decades ago it would have helped, not now also is disgusting how some people in this thread are whining saying we are blaming america, it's a BInacional problem, mexico produces the drug, america buys, america makes the weapons (lol at the person saying the weapons come from germany really, come on) the drug cartels buy them it's also a problem about education and economics; many young people are joining the gangs because they have no other option, literally, is that or starving, there are not enough schools not enough jobs you know how much I make working for american companies? barely enough to survive, a kid my age selling drugs for a couple of hours at day makes more in a week than what I make in months what's the solution? welp I dont know man, im just a kid who never made it to college because of poverty but if you wanna discuss the war on drugs on mexico educate yourselves a bit before throwing "OMGZZ THIZ ILLEGAL BITCHES BLAMIN UNCLE SAM 4 THEI UGLY PROBLEMZZZZ I DUN WANT THEM HERE THEY MUST BE ALL CRIMINALZZZ!11!"
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Guest	May 17 2012, 12:19 PM Post #119
Unregistered	Guest May 15 2012, 03:50 AM Guest May 15 2012, 03:43 AM Guest May 15 2012, 03:38 AM Quoting limited to 3 levels deep I hear more people have died in this conflict than in the Vietnam war. Why this keeps going on? Why americans don't give a shit that this happens in their neighbour country ? So Americans are to blame because we want the drugs? No, the government in Mexico is to blame for not doing something to stop this shit. But instead of the Mexican government and police taking responsibility, let's blame America for everything, right? So you think shifting blame helps? The issue is complex but both Mexican government and America has much to answer for.
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Guest	May 17 2012, 12:28 PM Post #120
Unregistered	Guest May 17 2012, 04:24 AM Guest May 16 2012, 01:59 AM It's Fast And Furious - Allowing certain drug cartels to ship drugs into US, while shipping guns to Mexico to help these cartels battle their competition, and using the hegelian dialectec - creating the violence along the border and in relation to these drug cartels in order to demonize the 2nd amendment to change state laws to give the federal government more control. If involves corrupt politicians, money laundering banks, FBI, ATF, DEA, and ICE. Preach, I hate the "american exceptionalism" and the lack of responsability over their crimes. What a surprise that the most powerful and richest country is corrupted to its core. Government is not just to blame. The people do not hold their politicians to account. Too busy watching reality shows and American idol. The use of distraction is indeed a powerful tool.
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Guest	May 17 2012, 12:45 PM Post #121
Unregistered	Guest May 17 2012, 10:18 AM There's heaps of stories of civilians being killed in gruesome ways to set an example. And sometimes the higher profile or higher the outrage the better. There was a rising star male singer who was killed because media mentioned he was getting more famous then a certain cartel. Another young actress was raped by a gang because she said something about drugs in Mexico. A police officer who was badly wounded whilst doing a drug bust was hospitalised and the cartel sent their people to the hospital and killed him in the hospital. There are stories where warring cartels compete to outdo each other in cruelty and violence to establish reputations the line between police, govt and cartel are blurred. Who can the ordinary people trust ? OMG, that's so awful. I always thought the cartels were fighting amongst themselves, for more power/territory, and that the civilians were left out of this... God, that's so horrible...
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Guest	May 17 2012, 06:34 PM Post #122
Unregistered	Guest May 17 2012, 12:28 PM Guest May 17 2012, 04:24 AM Guest May 16 2012, 01:59 AM It's Fast And Furious - Allowing certain drug cartels to ship drugs into US, while shipping guns to Mexico to help these cartels battle their competition, and using the hegelian dialectec - creating the violence along the border and in relation to these drug cartels in order to demonize the 2nd amendment to change state laws to give the federal government more control. If involves corrupt politicians, money laundering banks, FBI, ATF, DEA, and ICE. Preach, I hate the "american exceptionalism" and the lack of responsability over their crimes. What a surprise that the most powerful and richest country is corrupted to its core. Government is not just to blame. The people do not hold their politicians to account. Too busy watching reality shows and American idol. The use of distraction is indeed a powerful tool. Your ignorance is just The US is not as corrupt as Mexico.
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Guest	May 17 2012, 07:49 PM Post #123
Unregistered	HSBC and Wachovia (now Wells Fargo) banks laundered Mexican drug cartel money and fired their whistleblowers. http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2012/120515_hsbc_money_laundry.html Fast and Furious Worse than Watergate, Iran Contra http://www.newsmax.com/US/Pavlich-Fast-Furious-Watergate/2012/04/23/id/436749 Fast and Furious: the lying bureaucrats working for corrupt politicians http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT-ZDaZ0xmo Drug Money for CIA, and Gifford's shot, et. al. targeted. Holder's Fast & Furious was Designed to Destabilize Mexican Government: 1/2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjRGq3BzxCg 2/2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p57d16edtV8
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Guest	May 17 2012, 08:47 PM Post #124
Unregistered	Guest May 17 2012, 10:22 AM how to solve it... LEGALIZE WEED Doubt it would help Mexico much. Most of the good pot is grown indoors these days, and the cartels make most of their money from coke and meth.
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