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What's the best way to get rosters for new GM's
exp. Draft: 6 FW, 4 D, and 1 G are protectable for each team(no prospects). 2 (22.2%)
exp. Draft: 9 FW, 4 D, and 2 G, and 5 prospects are proctectable. 0 (0%)
new teams pick from the FA list, all current roster remain unchanged. 6 (66.7%)
Any Team wishing for a restart dumps current roster to FA's and redrafts. 1 (11.1%)
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Expansion Talk
Topic Started: Feb 19 2010, 05:24 PM (771 Views)
mutman
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I'm not sure I like the idea of expansion for all the new GMs, but mostly for teams that were originally involved with draft. That said, I have a few ideas.

First part is that all teams that kinda wanna reshuffle their teams (new GMs or even old ones) put all their players into the FA group, and then from that pool they redraft. There's talent on those teams to make up top couple lines, and GM's get FA's without hassle (obviously temporary FA freeze for rest of teams would be in effect).

The multiple ideas comes with regards to SK. He can do one of the following:

1) Join the draft himself - in which case all teams not involved would have to protect players and leave some open for potentially getting selected expansion style. Larger number of protected players than in option 2, but more teams getting crack at them. SK's team would get in on a few of the better players from old teams as well.

2) SK's team is sole expansion team - This means he's not involved with redraft, and is only team to select players from established squads. Could happen before or after redraft. Doing this would require less protected players than option one (probably inline with LW's suggestion).

Just an idea from my end. I like my team, and would lose players I like and drafted. I know we have to work in SK some how, which is why I'm fine with him. But there's no real benefit for the new GMs other than getting 3rd-4th liners that many of us have had since day one. Again, trying not to be unreasonable, but I haven't modified my team much, and don't feel I should be penalized if I end up losing 4-5 guys from my squad.
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lonewolfe2015
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The way I envisioned this would be to put every team that had no GM prior into the pool.

Then the already established teams can pick 7 forward, 3 dmen and 1 goalie to protect from their roster (no prospects are safe)

So all you do is help distribute talent if you've got an overladen team and the already unused rosters just get redistributed around.

Have to be honest, if a team has 12 top 6 forwards, 6 top 4 defenders and 2 #1 goalies it's not fair that other guys have to pick an entirely free agent team and others get teams with players they aren't fans of either.

Makes sense, no?

The other thought was just to redraft but that's not fair to the GM's that have been here awhile, which is why I suggested an expansion scenario.
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]I don't mind a an expansion draft type scene for sickick(although I'm still not sold on the idea yet) but I don't think that that guys like 94RS, Loney, and Andru need to be involved as all those teams had the chance to get top talent already in the original fantasy draft. I also agree with muts last point in that I like what Iv'e done with my team and don't want to lose players. That being said...What Sickick has sent me for his team from the FA list is not a horrible team. I just got my computer fixed and I'm going to update the FA list tonight. We need to decide what we are going to do here soon.

Edit: Loney...why is trading not an option for changing up your team? I'm not trying to call you out or anything, I'm just wandering why that doesn't seem to be an option to you. If you want we can possibly try another scenario where you, 94RS, Sickick, and Andru all dump your rosters into the FA pool and draft again. The only way I would consider moving prospects is if it's a team that has over the standard 5. In other words I would like teams to be able to protect 5 prospects if expansion is decided upon.
Edited by Kragok, Feb 19 2010, 05:55 PM.
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lonewolfe2015
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It is, but it's also more cumbersome and based on people actually giving the value I want :P

If we don't, then we don't. I just also have an issue with the fact that there are these super star studded teams out here and other teams which let's face it, aren't of the same talent. That is also a result of the original free agency from what I can tell, where guys like Kyle Quincey are on contracts smaller than rookies and some teams have #1 centers as far down as #4. Seems a bit off.
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I am not in favor of this idea what so ever. Does it suck that someone came late and didn't get a team? Yeah, a little, but I am not good with giving up some players that I took the time to research and pick.
Edited by InNet, Feb 19 2010, 08:51 PM.
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Kragok
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I think it's time for a poll...starting now and ending tomorrow @ 7pm EST.
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lonewolfe2015
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So, explain something to me, what happens if this gets voted down. How do we add parity over the next few sim seasons, curiously?
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SicKick
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ok. well honestly. idk bout all of this. yes it would be nice to get a better roster but my FA team i would say is halfway decent. and i think i can make it better with a lil trading.
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mutman
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LW I hear you about some teams and their bottom 6. Philly's was a result of having the last few round autodrafted for SK with Colorado players mostly. It's something that could be solved through waivers and FA signing, but I'm not here for that. This reply is about parity.

It's going to be kept through 3 ways: UFA/RFA , the draft, prospects.

As one of the more cap conscious GM's, I've really kinda built my team while focusing on the cap long run. That said, after this off season, I'm really going to be crunched. That's also considering I'll lose one player and just manage to sign my RFA's. Other GMs might be in worse situations as me. Further more, as this is a keeper draft, all the cheap contracts we get by on eventually become nice 1st/2nd liner contracts which will way us down. First off season may be slow, but rebuilding in a process.
RFA's are great, but some may not be able to be risigned without going over, hence trading RFA rights and off sheets will help make this process interesting.

The draft helps because outside of 9 picks, there will be 30 selections that will likely make up 80-90% of the NHL's first round. Add to that an already overfull prospect pool and there should be no shortage of up and coming talent to stock 3rd-4th lines. That's going to be crucial. Plus prospects that actually are playing fairly decently in the NHL won't likely get resigned to two way - under mil contracts. Guys are going to want prospects that will have long value. Imagine if we'd done this with Stamkos or Crosby's draft year.

As this is a keeper draft, it will be possible for parity to be maintained. RFA's will be open season and if you really want one, just do what real GMs do and buy one. Team finish poorly, then draft your top 3 player. Don't want the picks? Put in an offer sheet that you know a cash strapped team can't match.

One other thing about RFA/UFA's. As far as I know, RFA's take priority and have to be resigned/dealt with first. So top line players could be in risk if the become FA's and teams have a lot of RFA's to deal with. Just a thought.

Overall the landscape of teams may not change radically between years, but there should be enough so that, with trades, GMs can find ways to contend year in and year out. Parity should be able to maintain itself much in the way the real NHL does. Just with more stars per team.
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SicKick
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My team is all legal players available. so i'm going to just go ahead and post the team. and get trading/signing anyone dropped by teams. etc....
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SicKick
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Anyone Object?
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Kragok
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SicKick
Feb 20 2010, 10:21 AM
Anyone Object?
if you want to go ahead, I'm fine with it. Also all offers for Plekanec are withdrawn. Sickick has him on his team. If we can't do an expansion draft for him at least let him have the best FA forward left.
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Zeta40
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Sounds good its good to have you back SK
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SicKick
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Kragok
Feb 20 2010, 10:54 AM
SicKick
Feb 20 2010, 10:21 AM
Anyone Object?
if you want to go ahead, I'm fine with it. Also all offers for Plekanec are withdrawn. Sickick has him on his team. If we can't do an expansion draft for him at least let him have the best FA forward left.
Thanks krags. And yes. i'm setting up my roster now. I have several scratches in case we find that someone else has already layed claim to any of my players.
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Loney raised the prospect of dual GM's again today in a PM. We will need someone to take over vacant teams temporarily anyway to sort their FA's and such. Is anybody else interested in a dual GM role? if so, should we allow it for just the summer, or should it be long term?
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