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The Kyle and Fish are ending and need to vent thread.
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Topic Started: Mar 10 2010, 04:04 PM (32,617 Views)
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LisaLezotte
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Mar 11 2010, 09:17 PM
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- abaylor22
- Mar 11 2010, 08:51 PM
- Asera
- Mar 11 2010, 07:37 PM
Hand kissing by Brett claywell=cutest thing...
yes, thanks for mentioning that. I just aboutdied when scott said that. realize that was the favorite line of the interview. And the knee tapping and Scott asking Brett out on Gay event dates. :hearts: :confetti: :confetti: :hearts: :hearts: I know everything about that interview is pure magic. They really get each other and are really close. Just the way they laugh, look at each other, and touch is just amazing and cute. Brett and Scott are just GOLD!!!!!!!!!!! :hearts: :hearts:
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lasvegastony
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Mar 11 2010, 09:20 PM
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- HiddenVixen22
- Mar 11 2010, 09:09 PM
- luke75b
- Mar 11 2010, 08:59 PM
I think the thing that is so upsetting and frustrating is that for a time the show far exceeded my expectations. Had Nuke been axed in the manner Kish is being axed, I don't think I'd feel quite the way I feel. The show attempted to tell a gay story no differently than the straight stories and I think on that count they succeeded--it just was too real or something for a group of bigots.
Or, like one commentor on the Perez article said, "I don't want to watch something I totally can't relate to." But apparently it's perfectly okay for the rest of us to watch straight people's/couple's plights that WE can't identify with? o_O Good to know. I'm a bi female & I relate to Kish on so many different levels - I've struggled with facets of my personality/my sexuality that I didn't want to admit; I've had issues with my family where I've had to go against what they believed in order to be true to myself; I've let my fears get in the way of love (although Kish had a way better outcome than my personal experiences, but I digress), etc. I seriously don't get how this "mainstream" couldn't find something relatable/identifiable with Fish/Kyle/Kish. And I shudder to think that the ignoramuses posting in response to Perez Hilton's article are actually part of the "mainstream audience" ABC is so desperate to please that they will kill (and I use that term deliberately; because losing them is close to losing loved ones to death) Kyle and Oliver.
How do you get people like that to change? People in the "mainstream" who have never had to face discrimination of any kind ever in their lives because of their sexuality (or any other reason, for that matter)? By presenting them with stories like that of Kyle and Oliver that are done honestly and unflinchingly.
Oh, wait. There is no more Kyle and Oliver story. A story that, if it were to be kept going, just might have succeeded in opening people's minds and hearts to those they think are so different from them as to be worthy of only their self-righteous disgust and disdain.
MASSIVE. FAIL. ABC.
MASSIVE.
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dkp
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Mar 11 2010, 09:21 PM
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Well the official announcement from ABC on Soapnet:
http://sn.soapnet.go.com/news/article/kyle-fish-to-exit-one-life-to-live
Looks like already trying to spin this since the news broke.
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LisaLezotte
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Mar 11 2010, 09:22 PM
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- astrolatry
- Mar 11 2010, 08:57 PM
So, I think it's worth fighting, and I'm glad that it appears that people behind the scenes are saying it's worth fighting too.
I've been watching OLTL again since Kish began appearing, but I've grown up with OLTL. My mother was initially a fan of AMC, but started watching OLTL when she was pregnant with me, as they aired back to back, and realized she liked it more. When I was growing up, my mother was still an on-and-off fan: some summer vacations we would watch together, some we wouldn't. One summer a good friend of mine started watching Passions, and we would call each other on the phone at one o'clock and watch that, then switch the channel over at 2 to see OLTL. When I started watching OLTL again a few months ago, my mother got excited and took that as a reason to resume watching too.
My mother, however, shocked me in November--do you remember the day Kyle brought Fish lunch at the station? When they kissed my mother actually gasped and told me she didn't really get it. I was horrified. My mother is by no means a conservative woman, and that she had that reaction had me look at her in a different light.
But over the past few months, things have changed. She's not a Fish fan really, but not because he's gay, but because she thinks he's been a scumbag in this baby pregnancy storyline and wants Kyle to dump him. When I told her a few days ago that Scott Clifton (her favorite) was fired, she was outraged.
Over dinner tonight, I mentioned that there were more firings at OLTL. I hadn't managed to tell her yesterday because I was so upset and figured it wasn't worth the argument, as I know I like Kish more than she does. She asked me who, and I started telling her the whole story, knowing she was not as interested as I am. And at the end of it, she looked at me and said "That's terrible! We should write a letter." And then proceeded to complain about how none of her favorite characters are left and we should stop watching unless David Vickers is around.
And this is my mother. My mother, a long-time fan, a woman who is almost 60 years old, a woman who watches LENO, for Pete's sake.
So I thought it was worth fighting earlier today, because I thought that we should go down fighting, but now I think it's worth fighting because guys, I think we can win. But even if we can't, it's good to know it isn't just the Kish fans who are upset at this turn of events. So true guys keep fighting for our Kish boys to stay on the show. We might win but if not I agree that it's not just the Kish fans who were fighting it was everybody. And at least Frank and Frons heard all of us.
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xander88
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Mar 11 2010, 09:22 PM
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we should invade perez hiltons site with comments or something to show out support
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bittersweetlily
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Mar 11 2010, 09:23 PM
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- lasvegastony
- Mar 11 2010, 09:20 PM
- HiddenVixen22
- Mar 11 2010, 09:09 PM
- luke75b
- Mar 11 2010, 08:59 PM
I think the thing that is so upsetting and frustrating is that for a time the show far exceeded my expectations. Had Nuke been axed in the manner Kish is being axed, I don't think I'd feel quite the way I feel. The show attempted to tell a gay story no differently than the straight stories and I think on that count they succeeded--it just was too real or something for a group of bigots.
Or, like one commentor on the Perez article said, "I don't want to watch something I totally can't relate to." But apparently it's perfectly okay for the rest of us to watch straight people's/couple's plights that WE can't identify with? o_O Good to know. I'm a bi female & I relate to Kish on so many different levels - I've struggled with facets of my personality/my sexuality that I didn't want to admit; I've had issues with my family where I've had to go against what they believed in order to be true to myself; I've let my fears get in the way of love (although Kish had a way better outcome than my personal experiences, but I digress), etc. I seriously don't get how this "mainstream" couldn't find something relatable/identifiable with Fish/Kyle/Kish.
And I shudder to think that the ignoramuses posting in response to Perez Hilton's article are actually part of the "mainstream audience" ABC is so desperate to please that they will kill (and I use that term deliberately; because losing them is close to losing loved ones to death) Kyle and Oliver. How do you get people like that to change? People in the "mainstream" who have never had to face discrimination of any kind ever in their lives because of their sexuality (or any other reason, for that matter)? By presenting them with stories like that of Kyle and Oliver that are done honestly and unflinchingly. Oh, wait. There is no more Kyle and Oliver story. A story that, if it were to be kept going, just might have succeeded in opening people's minds and hearts to those they think are so different from them as to be worthy of only their self-righteous disgust and disdain. MASSIVE. FAIL. ABC. MASSIVE. The commenters on Perez Hilton are barely sentient beings who, if they walk upright, I would be amazed. They don't represent anything other than the failure of multiple school systems.
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Mar 11 2010, 09:25 PM
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- Mar 11 2010, 09:09 PM
Or, like one commentor on the Perez article said, "I don't want to watch something I totally can't relate to." But apparently it's perfectly okay for the rest of us to watch straight people's/couple's plights that WE can't identify with? o_O Good to know.
That comment is sort of boggling. I mean, soap operas usually have what? Five to eight different stories happening each and every episode? So they air something an audience segment doesn't "relate to" a few times a week? Um, hello? I don't relate to most of characters on that show! I'm a thirty year-old single, white, middle-class female, so I definitely don't relate to the high schoolers.
There's such a sense of entitlement in a statement like "I don't want to watch something I totally can't relate to." So go get some damned popcorn during the Kish scenes. Your right to not watch something is just as inherent as my right TO WATCH something. Eesh.
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Mar 11 2010, 09:26 PM
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- dkp
- Mar 11 2010, 09:21 PM
Yeah, I just finished reading this and immediately thought - wow, some spin doctor is really trying to earn their paycheck with this one.
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lasvegastony
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Mar 11 2010, 09:26 PM
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- dkp
- Mar 11 2010, 09:21 PM
"We're glad their story resonated with the audience, and understand the fans' disappointment now that it has concluded."
I call BULLSHIT. ABC doesn't understand us. If they did, they wouldn't be writing out Kyle and Oliver in the first place.
And they still think it's okay to try and throw a bone to us about the possibility that Kyle and Oliver could always return to the canvas . . . when there is story for them?
Damn! I SO HATE being condescended to like that.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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bittersweetlily
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Mar 11 2010, 09:28 PM
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"We're glad their story resonated with the audience, and understand the fans' disappointment now that it has concluded." "Concluded"? What a tidy word for such an epic mess.
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